Fitzy
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So do NYR go to arbitration with ADA for a bridge deal to keep the cost down until the Fox decision?
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII
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NYRangers16
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That’s exactly what I think they do. 2-3 years depending on how much cap they see being available. It pushes the decision down the road while maintaining an asset.
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I doubt it. He has 3 years left as an RFA, so I think the Rangers go either 2 or 4 years. They might put both on the table and let ADA choose.
If they do go to arbitration, it will be because ADA elected it, not the team.
I love that Fox and Trouba are teaming up on the PP2. They compliment each other well.I wouldn't mind seeing Fox take a few shifts at LD, just for ****'s and giggles. Long term:
Fox-Trouba
Miller-ADA
Robertson-Lundkvist
I have to disagree on one point, my friend. Fox has long since passed ADA on the depth chart. He’s been in the NHL for 3 months vs. 3 1/2 years and he is almost as adroit offensively and far, far better defensively. Fox is surprisingly effective with his stick and positioning skills.
I’m very pleased with ADA’s development but I am even more thrilled with Fox’s body of work.
If you think about it, having too many quality RHDs is never really an issue.
Fox’s IQ is next level kind of ****.
He processes plays like a veteran. A smart veteran. It’s just, unnatural for a kid with his inexperience to make some of the plays he’s making at such an early stage in his career.
Having said that, he’ll never be as dynamic offensively as ADA, if that makes any sense.
The biggest issue (if you want to even call it an issue) is our 3 best dmen are right handed. I think Fox has the smarts and talent where he might be able to make that adjustment to LD.
I like the experiment of Fox at LD. If he can make that transition, then keeping him and ADA long term makes sense.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
The disrespect for ADA is downright ridiculous.
Reminscent of the board’s feelings on JT Miller which is looking just great right now.
Reminscent of the board’s feelings on JT Miller which is looking just great right now.
NYRangers16
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People just can’t enjoy the process. The highs and lows are a part of it. Don’t wanna make the playoffs only to get slaughtered. If the sell off turns out right, Rangers will have the money to do something nice next season.
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I find it odd that the Rangers would worry about paying for the current three on RD even if one is on the 3rd pair.
In the past they've paid a ton in cap space for defenders who should have been on the 3rd pair. They still are paying Staal who is at most a 3rd pair, Smith who is now a 4th liner and Shattenkirk who they bought out. Would it be so bad to finally have a defender playing below his normal pairing instead of above it?
If it turns out they have 3 good RD and all of them need to take up cap space, they'd could keep them all and just figure out how to be more efficient elsewhere. That efficiency is not likely to come from them re-signing Kreider, Fast, or holding onto Lundqvist for his final year.
In the past they've paid a ton in cap space for defenders who should have been on the 3rd pair. They still are paying Staal who is at most a 3rd pair, Smith who is now a 4th liner and Shattenkirk who they bought out. Would it be so bad to finally have a defender playing below his normal pairing instead of above it?
If it turns out they have 3 good RD and all of them need to take up cap space, they'd could keep them all and just figure out how to be more efficient elsewhere. That efficiency is not likely to come from them re-signing Kreider, Fast, or holding onto Lundqvist for his final year.
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I am not even sure why it always has to be Fox vs. ADA.
They are both really impressive young talents. Fox has a subtleness to his game and his awareness is off the charts. ADA has electricity in his veins and can get you out of your seat- and still has great awareness. Wouldn't it be great if we kept both like we should have with Leetch/Zubov? We need to learn from history.
Gardner McKay
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How is he wrong though? We have complained for years about defensive depth, especially on the right side. Now, we have an absolutely STACKED right side and people are ready to move out ADA for a shiny new toy.
motopanekeku
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I think you have to go that route. Until ADA proves he can defend better you have to strike a balance and probably lean toward Fox as a long term priority.
We should probably keep this in the DeAngelo thread. How is Fox ahead of him? Look at their ice time's. Aside from whomever plays on the pair with Trouba, the Rangers have no true 2nd or third pair.
One could argue that NOT investing $5-6m in a 24 year old that is producing like a 55-60 point defenseman is no way to run a franchise.
For a 60 point defenseman, you live with the defensive warts and obtain a suitable defensive partner for him.
Same can be said of anyone thinking that he is getting traded any time soon.
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TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
I'm not advocating for trading Tony, but the fact the of the matter is that you deal from a position of strength to get what you need elsewhere. The Rangers are loaded with right-side Dmen. If they traded him for an upgrade on the left, say, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Yeah, so, Ill wait until DeAngelo actually becomes a 60 point defenseman before even beginning to worry about this stuff.
TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
I can't stand when people attribute a point total to a player who has yet to hit it. Not only is it a surefire jinx, it just leads to disappointment when that player doesn't reach those lofty expectations. People were calling Chris Kreider a 30 goal scorer at one point.
Babcock is a giant arse, but he has a very good quote: "Until you've won the cup, you have not won the cup." The same applies here, until he is a 60 point d-man, he isn't one.
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Their ice time is almost identical. I don't see anyone suggesting that ADA should be traded now. By all means, re-sign him. But it's likely that a decision will be coming in the future as young guys start to push for spots.
If and when ADA gets traded, it won't be for futures. It will be for a player who helps us in an area of weakness. If you could trade ADA for a left-handed Trouba, would you do it? What about for a left-handed ADA or a left-handed Fox?
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
In fairness though, Kreider scored 28 (twice) in 75 and 79 games. For all intents and purposes, his peak value and production was that of a 30 goal scorer.
As for ADA, we do have to be incredibly careful with projecting, for all the reasons you've stated. They're quite accurate. But there is some comfort in the sense that he's scored something like 55 points in his last 82 games or something along those lines.
If they move deangelo, itll be for a haul. If they move georgieve, itll be for a package deal thatll be a haul. If they move kreider itll be a 2nd and a b prospect. If the rangers move for picks, i want them to use those picks to target nhl ready players. We have a ton of prospects, make a no touch list and use some for better players. Ada will prob be moved if contractually theres a disagreement, most likely next season than this one tho. Fox is a future 1, im calling it. Trouba is a workhorse 1rd, just not super duper elite, more like he will play that role nicely, but theres a rlly high level that he wont reach, and thats fine, finding a trouba is hard enough. Personally, i wanna move skjei, kreider, and possibly strome. In return, we need a 1Ld, i think next season is kandre time, skjei has good value on a good contract, hes just not a 1Ld. Look at our weaknesses and thats what gorton will target, he will go for the wings (needs a lw to replace kreider) and a 2 or a 1rw (kakko will fill one, buch is a very good 3rd liner, despite his success, he is just not a super duper top six player, i like him a lot tho when he is on his game. Deboer is fired, sharks might try to save the season. If georgie is dropped off, would make sense, but i think they keep him as a 1a/1b with shesterkin. If they dont, hes a package for a haul, no low return
This whole conversation is jumping the gun. Im not sure why fans can't enjoy the development of both Fox and DeAngelo without worrying about their next contracts and long-term ramifications. When you attribute benchmarks to a player that he's yet to ever reach, it muddies the issue even further.
The ironic thing is I bet this kind of stuff is the furthest thing from Gorton's mind - he'll worry about it in the offseason, when the results are actually in.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
It's absolutely going to come down to a choice of keeping one or the other. They're not keeping both in the long-term.
Your comparison doesn't work for several reasons. Leetch and Zubov didn't play the same position. Zubov didn't have a better player ahead of him on the depth chart, like these guys both do with Trouba, but rather an equal or lesser player in Beukeboom who complimented Leetch better. There were no cap considerations in 1995.
NYR Viper
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One guy who was on the block last year who I could see the Rangers being interested in, depending on the price, is Jason Zucker. Minnesota may want to off-load salary and there aren't many spots to do so. He's a pretty consistent 45-55 point winger with great speed and a good 2-way game. 27 years old.
Perhaps something like:
Kreider to BOS for Trent Frederic + BOS 1st
Brett Howden + Joey Keane for Jason Zucker
Perhaps something like:
Kreider to BOS for Trent Frederic + BOS 1st
Brett Howden + Joey Keane for Jason Zucker
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