Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[Tawnos]

If Fox passes ADA on the depth chart and one of those prospects shows that they can play in the NHL, then it would make more sense to trade ADA in that scenario. We will save cap space and we will get more in return.

Either way, the decision is likely a year or two away.

Yep. The decision is most likely coming when Fox's next contract negotiations begin, and not before.

Because it doesn't make sense to have your 3 righties making $8m, $5-6m and $5-6m respectively. You don't want to spend $19m on the right side of your D.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Ahh....the light for me shines through

Just doing my job as the resident road geek here.

 

[Barnaby]

If I’m moving ADA today then I want a youngish 60+ point center or youngish 30+ goal winger... preferably a more north/south player. I’d add to ADA for the right guy but I’m not moving him for some run of the mill 40 point player. I also have no problem locking up ADA long term if that’s the decision.

 

[Barnaby]

Not to speak for Edge, but just the opposite. He may well stay the full year here.

ADA feels like more of an offseason move, but stranger things have happened.

 

[True Blue]

ADA feels like more of an offseason move, but stranger things have happened.

I think the poster was talking about Strome.

I think that ADA is here for quite a while. Unless some playoff team has a need for his type of offensive defenseman. Like Winnipeg knocking on the door with a Connor . But again, this is ALL predicated on him continuing to be on the arch that he is currently on.

 

[Barnaby]

I think the poster was talking about Strome.

I think that ADA is here for quite a while. Unless some playoff team has a need for his type of offensive defenseman. Like Winnipeg knocking on the door with a Connor . But again, this is ALL predicated on him continuing to be on the arch that he is currently on.

My mistake. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Rangers were to listen on ADA in the offseason, but he’s a unique talent. Not too many RD’s put up points like him. If he goes it’s part of a deal most likely for a youngish center or goal scoring winger. Like I said above, wouldn’t be shocked if they locked him up either like they did with McDonough and Skjei.

 

[Waivers]

@Edge what transactions do you think, as of today, may very well happen for the Rangers? Of course, a lot of things can change and the answers can be quite dynamic to such a static question, but would like to hear your thoughts as well.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I have to tell you, I just don't know if that happens with Chytil and company in the system.

Having said that, I don't think the TDL is a given for him at this point, if they do move him.

It probably depends entirely on offers. If good offers are there, then sure. It’s become a buyers market recently and the only way to reverse it is to not give in to low ball offers.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yep. The decision is most likely coming when Fox's next contract negotiations begin, and not before.

Because it doesn't make sense to have your 3 righties making $8m, $5-6m and $5-6m respectively. You don't want to spend $19m on the right side of your D.

I’d like to clarify that right now with the current cap that is true. If by the time Fox needs a contract the cap is at $92m+ that may be totally fine as compared to a team with a single RD making $11m, then $6m and $2m

 

[Tawnos]

I’d like to clarify that right now with the current cap that is true. If by the time Dox needs a contract the cap is at $92m+ that may be totally fine as compared to a team with a single RD making $11m, then $6m and $2m

Not exactly. If the cap is that high when Fox is up for his deal, he’s not getting 5-6... he’s getting 7. I guess I should say that I don’t think it’s a good idea to spend over 1/5 of the cap on one side of the D.

 

[NYRangers16]

Not exactly. If the cap is that high when Fox is up for his deal, he’s not getting 5-6... he’s getting 7. I guess I should say that I don’t think it’s a good idea to spend over 1/5 of the cap on one side of the D.

Also keep in mind that we really do need quality forwards and they won’t all be on ELCs. And again, as I and others have mentioned, nobody is saying this is imminent. Most likely this decision will be made 1.5 years from now. We have time to see what we have in Fox and also to address other areas.

 

[Edge]

Are you implying he may get moved sooner?

Later. I think he’s a possible, if not probable summer move.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Currently, DeAngelo is the most overrated player by our fan base. He has high level offensive skill but he's stupid defensively. Lundkvist's scouting reports all stated that he has a extremely high hockey IQ. Rarely makes mistakes. Now he's added a lot of offense to his game. TDA is outta here. I don't know if they will sign him to a 2 year bridge deal, give Lundkvist one year in the AHL then move him or just package TDA this year for a tough, young forward with talent. This forward group is still soft.

 

[Edge]

Strome isn't blocking Chytil, even now.

Is LA a 3C anytime soon? Has Howden shown anything to make people believe he's a 3C?

Strome can play wing or center and do so up and down the line up. Plus, he seems to have found "a place" here under DQ after the hell on earth that was Edmonton for him.

I'm not pushing for him to be resigned, but I see the value in what he brings and think perhaps he'd be willing to meet in the middle on a 3/4 year deal to stay in a place where he's having success....but maybe not. Who knows.

Not sure it’s strictly a blocking issue, so much as resources. My guess is that the the Rangers will continue to feed Chytil more responsibility, and I’m not entirely sure Quinn keeps Howden on the fourth line forever either.

Do the Rangers want to spend that money and a wing slot on Strome, or use that money elsewhere and go with a different approach on the wings? My speculation is that there’s a good possibility it’s the latter.

 

[Edge]

@Edge what transactions do you think, as of today, may very well happen for the Rangers? Of course, a lot of things can change and the answers can be quite dynamic to such a static question, but would like to hear your thoughts as well.

I think they’ll trade Kreider and aim for a Hayes-like return, though I think they’d prefer the emphasis be on the prospect and not the pick.

I don’t think Strome or Georgiev are going anywhere, anytime soon. Maybe the off-season.

I think Fast probably stays.

I think the Rangers wouldn’t mind adding a bottom six winger if the price was right. I think they’d love to upgrade the left side of their defense.

I expect them to check in with teams like Toronto, Boston, Colorado and Edmonton this spring. I also wouldn’t rule out them keeping tabs on Arizona and Carolina, or even reconnected with Dallas.

 

[rangers1314]

Thanks, all fair points.

One question - is the organization/DQ that in love with Howden?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Who are they taken by? Trouba has one. Fox you hope can be a point producer like DeAngelo, but he is not as of yet. Again, if DeAngelo is going to be a 55-60 point player, do you know how rare that is?

He is not going to do a team friendly deal, but who cares? He CANNOT go anywhere. He is RFA, not UFA. I am pretty sure that between Gorton and JD, they can present enough market comps that will not pay him over the moon. Then see how the cap situation sorts itself out in a couple of years.

People are acting like DeAgelo is going to go sign a Trouba-like contract with a team.

We have no idea if Fox will ever be able to produce offensively like DeAngelo. We have no idea even if DeAngelo will continue to produce like DeAngelo. It is not like Fox's defensive game has been standout. What we do know is that we Lundqvist has not stepped a toe onto North American ice yet no one has any idea of what Keane is.

Why not deal with who is here and actually producing instead of who is not and hopefully will be producing? There is absolutely no rush for this. And after this year, they will have a few more years to figure it out.

Fox is already ahead of him in the roster in his rookie year. I have no doubt he stays there for the next number of years. Investing 5 or 6 mill longterm for a guy who is on the 3rd pair isnt the way to run a team
in the cap system. I love the player but unless he can move to the left side he is a player who can be replaced by someone who maybe doesnt put up as many points but might prevent more goals for league minimum.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We can sign TDA and then trade one or more of our myriad d-prospects to help out our forward pipeline which is looking quite dry and will look even more so once Kreider /Strome are gone. Also I hope Gorts and co will do whatever they can to get someone to trade for Skjei. That contract will be problem goin forward.

What's wrong with Skjei now? He has been playing well with Trouba no?
I'm curious how much you would give DeAngelo to slot in behind Trouba and Fox? I like him but I doubt he is signing for a discount.

 

[rangers1314]

Not sure it’s strictly a blocking issue, so much as resources. My guess is that the the Rangers will continue to feed Chytil more responsibility, and I’m not entirely sure Quinn keeps Howden on the fourth line forever either.

Do the Rangers want to spend that money and a wing slot on Strome, or use that money elsewhere and go with a different approach on the wings? My speculation is that there’s a good possibility it’s the latter.

I didn’t quote your response - I’m a horses ass. So I’ll put context to the below:

Thanks, all fair points.

One question - is the organization/DQ that in love with Howden?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Anyone thinking we are getting Nylander or Kyle connor for DeAngelo needs to grab a cup of coffee. This is his first full(so far) season in the league, couldnt stay in the lineup of a rebuilding team last year, he seems to have found a fit here now but a lot of teams will not want to take a chance on him. His point production is great but his defensive abilities are only better than Staal's on our own team.

 

[Edge]

I didn’t quote your response - I’m a horses ass. So I’ll put context to the below:

Thanks, all fair points.

One question - is the organization/DQ that in love with Howden?

Can’t say I’ve really had any in-depth conversations about him. I think they like him a lot and think he’s a potential depth piece. But I don’t think they love him per se.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think they’ll trade Kreider and aim for a Hayes-like return, though I think they’d prefer the emphasis be on the prospect and not the pick.

I don’t think Strome or Georgiev are going anywhere, anytime soon. Maybe the off-season.

I think Fast probably stays.

I think the Rangers wouldn’t mind adding a bottom six winger if the price was right. I think they’d love to upgrade the left side of their defense.

I expect them to check in with teams like Toronto, Boston, Colorado and Edmonton this spring. I also wouldn’t rule out them keeping tabs on Arizona and Carolina, or even reconnected with Dallas.

How many of these teams that you name, however, can provide the the kind of assets you name?

 

[Edge]

How many of these teams that you name, however, can provide the the kind of assets you name?

I think Boston, Dallas, Colorado would potentially fit the profile for a renter. Edmonton will be a wait and see based on their new management. But if they’re still hovering near the top of the league, there’s going to be pressure there to prove they are committed to bringing in support.

I think when you start getting into potential bigger deals, Toronto is a team that has talked on and off with the Rangers for a couple of years. So there’s some familiarity there.

Dallas is another team that could be looking for more long term pieces as well. Ditto for Carolina.

There are other dark horses I’d keep an eye on like Arizona. There’s nothing brewing there now, but I could see them as a potential conversation partner down the line.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think Boston, Dallas, Colorado would potentially fit the profile for a renter. Edmonton will be a wait and see based on their new management. But if they’re still hovering near the top of the league, there’s going to be pressure there to prove they are committed to bringing in support.

I think when you start getting into potential bigger deals, Toronto is a team that has talked on and off with the Rangers for a couple of years. So there’s some familiarity there.

Dallas is another team that could be looking for more long term pieces as well. Ditto for Carolina.

There are other dark horses I’d keep an eye on like Arizona. There’s nothing brewing there now, but I could see them as a potential conversation partner down the line.

Oh, I agree with your candidates. My question is rather whether or not any of them have the assets you describe as what we should be seeking.

 

[Edge]

Oh, I agree with your candidates. My question is rather whether or not any of them have the assets you describe as what we should be seeking.

I think all of them have some assets that have intrigued the Rangers, to varying degrees, at various points in time.

Jost
Nylander
Crouse
Benson
Kuokkanen