Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[Barnaby]

That does not mean he passed up any opportunities to shoot the puck on goal.

Im not saying 99 routinely turned down great shooting opportunities, but yes, it does mean that. He’s one of the greatest playmakers in NHL history. He wasn’t just winging the puck on net every time he had a lane on net. What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. You’re saying he never turned down a shooting opportunity to make a great pass? I guess he took the shot every time he had the puck on a 2-1, or had a shooting lane on a PP.

 

[bobbop]

Brooks suggests Georgiev to SJ for Lebanc

https://nypost.com/2019/12/14/this-is-the-nhls-greatest-failure/

Interesting thought...I had the same player in mind but I'm staunchly against trading Prince Alex right now. I want to see how this season plays out.

 

[Good Intentions]

If I hear another variation of...

"Well, Buchnevich is almost a 50 point guy and that's worth 5M per.."

I'm going to lose my mind.

Does 89 have some talent? You bet. So did Zherdev.

I want him off this team at any cost. Addition by subtraction. I loathe him. You're either with me or against me on this. If you're against me, I guarantee we will not agree on much. I've found this to be a hard line. You're either a Buchnevich guy or you aren't...

and FWIW...I'm going to tag the handful of guys that I think are on the same page with me on most all here...

@egelband @Edge @Brooklyn Rangers Fan @CasusBelli @wafflepadsave @Kovalev27 @SnowblindNYR @NYRangers16

 

[bobbop]

If Arizona wants to send Jan Jenik and their first for Kreider, I'd have to listen hard.

My friends who used to work for the Coyotes are real high on this kid. Having a breakout season at Hamilton. Was told the Coyotes weren't in any hurry to move him.

 

[Good Intentions]

Interesting thought...I had the same player in mind but I'm staunchly against trading Prince Alex right now. I want to see how this season plays out.

The only warm and fuzzy feeling I'm getting is that this Larry rumor is rooted in the fact that this kid is from Staten Island and that's supposed to be some connection.

Georgiev is nearly untouchable for me. Labanc? He's some chump that will be out of the league in 4 years. Spare me. Hang up the phone.

PS - As a general rule, avoid anything pertaining to Staten Island - ever.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The only warm and fuzzy feeling I'm getting is that this Larry rumor is rooted in the fact that this kid is from Staten Island and that's supposed to be some connection.

Georgiev is nearly untouchable for me. Labanc? He's some chump that will be out of the league in 4 years. Spare me. Hang up the phone.

PS - As a general rule, avoid anything pertaining to Staten Island - ever.

Georgiev is about as far as untouchable as can be with Shest crushing it in the AHL.

 

[Anzi]

This team is actually not far from a playoff spot. Flyers are just 3 points ahead of us with 1 extra game played. Next few weeks may play a critical role in what management decides to do.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

If I hear another variation of...

"Well, Buchnevich is almost a 50 point guy and that's worth 5M per.."

I'm going to lose my mind.

Does 89 have some talent? You bet. So did Zherdev.

I want him off this team at any cost. Addition by subtraction. I loathe him. You're either with me or against me on this. If you're against me, I guarantee we will not agree on much. I've found this to be a hard line. You're either a Buchnevich guy or you aren't...

and FWIW...I'm going to tag the handful of guys that I think are on the same page with me on most all here...

@egelband @Edge @Brooklyn Rangers Fan @CasusBelli @wafflepadsave @Kovalev27 @SnowblindNYR @NYRangers16

Hahaha. Well, speaking for myself, I’ve actually been a Buch fan dating back to his draft, but as of this off-season, I was in the camp where I’d have moved him for the right return. Now... he’s doing some good things out there, but he can be so negative (I posted a while back wondering if he suffers from depression) to the point that it can affect his play...

I’m not desperate to move him at this very moment, especially given the team’s dearth of top 6 wingers, but I wouldn’t be crushed if they moved him (for real value) before his current bridge deal is up.

 

[Barnaby]

Amazes me how so many people want to Re-Sign him. Crazy.

I don’t know the numbers of his next contract, but I predict PAIN, for that organization.

If the guy had 18 goals and was playing out his mind right now, then I could see people having 2nd thoughts. The guys struggling heavily in a contract year and people still want him back. It makes all the sense in the world to move him - I just don’t get it. GMJG has seemed uninterested in extending him, but he’s supposedly changing his mind after what he’s seen thus far this season?!

 

[egelband]

I REALLY don’t see that at this point, although I suppose anything is possible. I think it would have to take an unrealistic concession on CK’s part. I don’t think they have any intention of signing another winger - especially one who will be on the downside when this team is a contender, to a massive deal when he could easily be their 4 or 5th best winger in as little as 2-3 years. I’m also not sure where this idea is coming from that CK is this great leader. He’s a likable veteran for sure, but he’s so high in the pecking order then how come he’s not routinely wearing an A, yet Fast is?

Kreider is that last beer on a Saturday night. And I think JG has the willpower to know when to say ‘when’.

 

[Barnaby]

Kreider is that last beer on a Saturday night. And I think JG has the willpower to know when to say ‘when’.

Perfect analogy. Well said.

Someone else made a good point the other day as well - I forget whom. Basically if he was another teams free agent, would you have any interest in the Rangers signing him to a long term deal in the offseason? I’m guessing not.

 

[egelband]

If I hear another variation of...

"Well, Buchnevich is almost a 50 point guy and that's worth 5M per.."

I'm going to lose my mind.

Does 89 have some talent? You bet. So did Zherdev.

I want him off this team at any cost. Addition by subtraction. I loathe him. You're either with me or against me on this. If you're against me, I guarantee we will not agree on much. I've found this to be a hard line. You're either a Buchnevich guy or you aren't...

and FWIW...I'm going to tag the handful of guys that I think are on the same page with me on most all here...

@egelband @Edge @Brooklyn Rangers Fan @CasusBelli @wafflepadsave @Kovalev27 @SnowblindNYR @NYRangers16

So, I’ll preface this by saying I like Buchnevich in general. He cares and plays a clean, respectable game.
But I do agree it would be wise to move him. And my reasoning is simple. He’ll be too expensive. If I’m building a team, I’m giving the big deals to guys who are multi-skilled playoff type players. The more-one-dimensional guys like PB can rotate in and out on smaller deals. But have to go when they get too pricey.
I think we were a bit starved for a talented scorer like Buch and get kind of hooked. Not to mention we all watched him develop.
But were he on another team I don’t think we’d all be pining for JG to get him.

 

[egelband]

Perfect analogy. Well said.

Someone else made a good point the other day as well - I forget whom. Basically if he was another teams free agent, would you have any interest in the Rangers signing him to a long term deal in the offseason? I’m guessing not.

Hah. I just wrote the same thing about PB. Get out of my head

 

[Barnaby]

So, I’ll preface this by saying I like Buchnevich in general. He cares and plays a clean, respectable game.
But I do agree it would be wise to move him. And my reasoning is simple. He’ll be too expensive. If I’m building a team, I’m giving the big deals to guys who have multi-skilled playoff type players. The more-one-dimensional guys like PB can rotate in and out on smaller deals. But have to go when they get too pricey.
I think we were a bit starved for a talented scorer like Buch and get kind of hooked. Not to mention we all watched him develop.
But were he on another team I don’t think we’d all be pining for JG to get him.

Gorton is from the Boston organization, and I might be wrong, but I think he has a similar philosophy for the Rangers. I think he wants a talented team that’s hard to play against. That sounds like everyone, but what I mean is that I think you’ll see him pay the high end offensive talents. Zibanejad, Panarin, and Kakko. Also, hopefully someone from the 2020 draft. I think you’ll see him look to add hard nosed north/south players like the Lemieux’s of the world. As this team gets closer to contention I think you’ll see them add bigger more north/south guys in the bottom six to replace the Smiths, Mckegg, etc.... I don’t see Gorton getting locked into a one dimensional offensive guy like PB to the tune of 5+ million a year. I personally like PB, but I get the impression from Gorton (I might be totally wrong), that he’s not going to be a guy that he commits to long term. I don’t think he’s in that mold of high end offense or playing that heavy game. I think the big money will be going to high end offense, and locking up the talented young core of defensemen that they hope to keep.

Edit: I def overused “high end offense.” Oh well, it is 3am.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Am I the only who looks at Labanc and can more or less take him or leave him?

Are people interestd in Labanc because of the player he is, or because he's from NY?

 

[pld459666]

He's currently on a show-me. I doubt he will want a bridge after this. He's gonna want his money. I'm willing to bet on him at 4-4.5. By the end of that contract he could be worth 7.

The thing about "show me" contracts is that you then have to go out and show me.

Hes not been doing that on pace of low 40's point totals.

Ideal candidate for a bridge deal

 

[pld459666]

I feel like he’s a nice player who can compliment higher-end players.

But I also feel like at this point I want the “Double D” aspect - dynamic and different. And if I can’t have both, I’d like at least one of those elements.

I either want legit, higher-end skill (dynamic), or I want a player who brings an element to this team that it is lacking (different). I don’t get a sense of either from Labanc.

While I dont disagree, I dont think you are getting that type of player for Georgiev.

Even LeBanc is a bit of an overpayment for a still unproven goalie.

As you well know, goalies do not have great value, so, If you can nail down a middle 6 winger with 2nd like potential, that's a great return

 

[pld459666]

What does Labanc do for the Rangers? Where does he fit? Everyone likes him because he was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Staten Island. Big deal. The Rangers have Panarin and Kakko. Kravtsov will figure it out. Is Labanc a top six winger on a championship quality team? He had 17 goals last season. He is on pace for 19 this season. Nice player. 5-11 185. The Rangers can do better.

Dont think the Rangers can do better for Georgiev

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can't wait for us to acquire Labanc, just to the the entire fanbase call him LeBanc, Leblanc or Labanq

 

[JimmyG89]

Even with Labanc being from NYC, I would love for him to be on this team. If he was from anywhere else, I would take him. He's a legit player. Playmaker, but he's got a nice shot. Feel like he's part of the future core for San Jose.

If he's getting moved, I doubt it is for someone like Georgiev. They'd want a legit top end goalie coming back in that kind of a deal. While Georgiev has been great, he doesn't have the track record. Not sure how many of those could be available, so he likely stays and signs a nice long term extension this summer.

Not to mention, I don't think San Jose wants to get a kid to sign a 1 year deal like that and move him for something short of a sure thing. Hurts other negotiations with the rest of the roster.

 

[wafflepadsave]

During the 31 Thoughts podcast from last week, Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek were discussing Arizona and their new owner Alex Meruelo looking at making big moves. Elliotte mentioned Kreider with Arizona and how the Rangers and Arizona have made some big deals in the past. Yandle. Stepan.

The Devils have been offered established NHLers under control for Hall. Trochek. It looks like that report was correct. Trochek broke his ankle last season and he has a tough time regaining his previous form. Florida sheds the last two seasons left on the contract.

Arizona needs goals. They are on the best defensive teams in the NHL. Really good goaltending tandem. Kreider needs a change of scenery. Brett Cyrgalis made a big deal of Kreider getting two shifts in the finals 10:54 of 3rd period. Kreider played 11:04 total. Kreider is in a big funk.

He clearly needs a call from Zuccarello.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lebanc is a really good player.

 

[NYR Viper]

Only speaking for myself, I don’t care where Labanc is from. He’s a nice complimentary winger at an age where he can grow with this team. He also plays a bit harder style than a guy like Buch which is why I’d be okay with a Georgiev for Labanc deal and then moving Buch elsewhere.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I have my doubts about Labanc. As others have mentioned, I’m not getting a real difference-making vibe from him, and that’s what we should be looking for (though that “difference” could be speed, size, physicality, etc. and not necessarily scoring) in building a core. So, at this point, I’d rather be looking at younger guys/prospects who can bring those elements in deals — and then look to fill in the “competent all-around depth” once the core is built and they’ve started pushing to contend.

As for Buch moving, ever since @Edge brought up the possibility of EDM in the off-season, it’s just made too much sense to me not to happen. They need guys under team control who can play with McDavid and Draisaitl, and that is Buch to a T. He’d likely be a PPG player with those guys. (And I think he’d probably also benefit from playing in a much smaller pond.)

As to what they might offer in return, however... that’s where I get hung up. I feel like the only prospects we’d want are guys they wouldn’t surrender, so we’d be looking at a deal that revolves around draft picks again. Also, they canNOT move him without acquiring his replacement on the big club either in this deal or others; the team’s depth on the wing is simply too thin.

This last wave of moves at the TDL and over the summer is going to be fascinating...

 

[MrPodz]

Just wanna say, casey middlestadt assigned to ahl.... hmmm