Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[True Blue]

Well, again, my view is that Kreider goes for a Nash/Hayes like trade, trusting to the depth in the org (or an acquired young player stepping up to play a bigger role, as Lemieux did last year). And Buchnevich – if he goes – I see going in the summer, in which case it'll happen in the context of 5-7 other offseason moves (including both trade and FA) that'll shore up the missing depth.

No, no. I get what your view is. It is not unreasonable. I just have a hard time seeing the Rangers move forward without a more proven depth scoring option. And when I say depth scoring, I do not mean the bottom 6. Buchnevich and Kreider represent that depth scoring. Subtract the two of them and you are counting on Panarin and ZBad to carry the team. Kakko is going to have a great future, but he has not arrived as a credible NHL point producer yet.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

No, no. I get what your view is. It is not unreasonable. I just have a hard time seeing the Rangers move forward without a more proven depth scoring option. And when I say depth scoring, I do not mean the bottom 6. Buchnevich and Kreider represent that depth scoring. Subtract the two of them and you are counting on Panarin and ZBad to carry the team. Kakko is going to have a great future, but he has not arrived as a credible NHL point producer yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would venture to say that is exactly has been happening all year....Neither Buch nor Kreider are scoring worth a damn and neither has made up for this lack of scoring in other areas as they both take too many games off.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Lindgren is a player I'd throw in that I think GMs would buy higher on than most. Don't think he's tradeable solo, but as an addition to Kreider/Strome/Georgiev...I think so.

He's a bottom pairing D and they are easily replaceable in FA.

I move Hajek waaaay before Lindgren. Bottom pairing UFA dmen are older, come at a higher cost, and usually suck. Not sure I'm eager to move Lindgren until we know what we have with guys like Miller, Robertson, etc.

 

[Kovalev27]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

 

[True Blue]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would venture to say that is exactly has been happening all year....Neither Buch nor Kreider are scoring worth a damn and neither has made up for this lack of scoring in other areas as they both take too many games off.

Buch has tailed off, but he was putting up points. And Kreider is streaky and always has been. I could be completely off the reservation, but I think the chances of both of them being move is small. Unless Gorton & JD fell in love with Strome.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

The problem with Buch will be the next contract. At some point before he’s due in 2 years for what will be a big raise I think you replace him with cheaper player that probably brings a little physicality in more of a 2 way game.

Our window should be in 2 years, and Buch will be 26 then which is right in his prime. Not sure we have that cheaper, younger player with more physicality in our system. If Kakko is our #1 RW longterm, then the only player in our pipeline that has the talent to replace Buch's production is Kravtsov who's not much of a physical player.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I do wonder a little bit about what a Buchnevich and Georgiev package would fetch.

Would have to think Edmonton would be really excited about it, but unless Bouchard is on the table, they don't really have the pieces to even get the conversation going.

Maybe the Leafs would listen on Nylander for those two if they think Georgie is a future #1 who can take over from Andersson, thus saving them some money in the summer of 2021.

Carolina might be a bidder, but again I don't know if they have the pieces the Rangers would want.

Toronto's in a tricky spot with Andersen. He turned 30 in Oct and he has another year left @ 5M. Is Toronto planning on re-signing him? He'll be 32 at the start of his next contract. How many years is Toronto giving a 32 year old? They're in a tight spot. Georgiev there makes a ton of sense.

 

[True Blue]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

I tell him go suck an egg. He had better start to add. And that is even before anything having to do with Keane.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

No, no. I get what your view is. It is not unreasonable. I just have a hard time seeing the Rangers move forward without a more proven depth scoring option. And when I say depth scoring, I do not mean the bottom 6. Buchnevich and Kreider represent that depth scoring. Subtract the two of them and you are counting on Panarin and ZBad to carry the team. Kakko is going to have a great future, but he has not arrived as a credible NHL point producer yet.

Gotcha.

I guess our perspectives differ in that I think they're more focused on what their depth scoring will look like in '21-'22. Right now, you're counting on some combination of:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
XXX-Chytil-Kravtsov

Now, obviously, with Kravtsov's setback and the concerns regarding Andersson (and Zibanejad's concussions, and, and...) you want to shore that up with backup options – but I just don't think they see Buchnevich, and especially Kreider as part of that mix going forward. If Kreider were two years younger or willing to take a 4-year deal, or if Buch was any good on the left side, maybe... but at the end of the day, I just don't know that they have them in their longer term plans.

Kreider I see gone this TDL. Buch either this summer or next.

 

[Kovalev27]

I tell him go suck an egg. He had better start to add. And that is even before anything having to do with Keane.

you must be an absolute delight to do business with lol

 

[True Blue]

Gotcha.

I guess our perspectives differ in that I think they're more focused on what their depth scoring will look like in '21-'22. Right now, you're counting on some combination of:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
XXX-Chytil-Kravtsov

I think that this year's TDl is even more fascinating than last year's. What the game plan is, will start to unfold when we see the names that are moved.

I will say that I think this all changes radically if Gorton & JD believe that Lemieux can be a 20 goal-45 point player.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

Yes, and without any hesitation.

 

[True Blue]

you must be an absolute delight to do business with lol

Well, I would say it with a good deal of personal charm.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I think that this year's TDl is even more fascinating than last year's. What the game plan is, will start to unfold when we see the names that are moved.

I will say that I think this all changes radically if Gorton & JD believe that Lemieux can be a 20 goal-45 point player.

I was saying something similar to Maximus...the off season should be just as eventful as the TDL....they will shape our future.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd say we need a finisher with LHS.

Long term you'd hope Kakko and Chytil will lead and fill that role.

Buch and Kreider have not been good at finishing

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

1) I know you're a millennial, Kyle, but why the f*** are you contacting me on snapchat? Are you going to Insta me he his medicals? Grow up and act like a professional. Christ almighty.

2) Now then, as to the offer in question, you're asking for too much, but we may have the basis for something there. Buch + Georgiev for Nylander + a mid round pick works. Or we could do the package you proposed, but then I'm going to need something more significant in addition to Nylander. I mean, have you seen how Keane is playing at HFD?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

Does he have a premium Snapchat?

 

[Kovalev27]

1) I know you're a millennial, Kyle, but why the **** are you contacting me on snapchat? Are you going to Insta me he his medicals? Grow up and act like a professional. Christ almighty.

2) Now then, as to the offer in question, you're asking for too much, but we may have the basis for something there. Buch + Georgiev for Nylander + a mid round pick works. Or we could do the package you proposed, but then I'm going to need something more significant in addition to Nylander. I mean, have you seen how Keane is playing at HFD?

glad someone caught that millennial shot at dubas lol

 

[Kovalev27]

Does he have a premium Snapchat?

think it’s part of his Disney plus subscription

 

[Trxjw]

I think if you're talking about the Leafs, there could be an interest in a number of guys --- including Georgiev and Skjei. However, if they talk Nylander, don't be too surprised if Kravtsov is part of the asking price and not an automatic "no" from the Rangers.

Edmonton, even with a willingness to move Bouchard, is probably not the Rangers preferred approach. The Rangers like Benson, but not as a centerpiece player. I think they'd love to get Broberg, but that price would be too rich for Edmonton.

Weird that I just brought up Zegras in another post and yet I forgot about Broberg. Not firing on all cylinders this morning. He'd be a nice addition but I can see why Edmonton would balk at it.

I wouldn't be that shocked to hear Kravtsov come up in discussions for a guy like Nylander. Assuming both hit their ceiling -- i.e., a 65-70pt play making winger -- it's a bit of a time-machine trade. I think Nylander is potentially a really solid fit with Zibanejad. Plus having a guy locked up for 4 more years provides some cap certainty, which I'm sure the Rangers would appreciate. Even at just shy of $7M per year.

I do kind of have the feeling that the Rangers aren't just going to sit on these top-end prospects. I don't think they're ready to start cashing in all of their chips just yet, but it feels like they're probably open to a deal that pushes them ahead in a big way.

 

[RGY]

That is way too much @Kovalev27

Keane could be getting games the NHL level right now. Should be getting games. One of the best young D in the AHL.

Buch is not much older than Nylander is starting to put together.

Georgiev looks like a potential #1 goalie.

We look like the desperate team in that proposal which isnt the case

 

[Edge]

Weird that I just brought up Zegras in another post and yet I forgot about Broberg. Not firing on all cylinders this morning. He'd be a nice addition but I can see why Edmonton would balk at it.

I wouldn't be that shocked to hear Kravtsov come up in discussions for a guy like Nylander. Assuming both hit their ceiling -- i.e., a 65-70pt play making winger -- it's a bit of a time-machine trade. I think Nylander is potentially a really solid fit with Zibanejad. Plus having a guy locked up for 4 more years provides some cap certainty, which I'm sure the Rangers would appreciate. Even at just shy of $7M per year.

I do kind of have the feeling that the Rangers aren't just going to sit on these top-end prospects. I don't think they're ready to start cashing in all of their chips just yet, but it feels like they're probably open to a deal that pushes them ahead in a big way.

I've been discussing this in PMs, and I can't put it all out here, but I'll share this much publicly on the board:

There is definitely an interest in Nylander. And I think there are components within the Rangers organization that Toronto supposedly likes. Having said that, I don't think anyone should be surprised if the cost to do business includes Kravtsov.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m over Nylander

If you could get him without blowing up the farm go for it

But I’m not moving heaven and earth to get him

 

[I Eat Crow]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

I may be in the minority, but I'd do it.