Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[Edge]

I’m over Nylander

If you could get him without blowing up the farm go for it

But I’m not moving heaven and earth to get him

I don't think Toronto is interested in the farm.

They would be interested in talent that can step onto their roster immediately. They would also be interested in someone with the potential to step in cheaply sooner than later.

 

[Edge]

I may be in the minority, but I'd do it.

I think the Rangers would be interested, with a slight depth add from Toronto.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Personally not a huge Nylander guy, and not for what appears to be a high price.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I've been discussing this in PMs, and I can't put it all out here, but I'll share this much publicly on the board:

There is definitely an interest in Nylander. And I think there are components within the Rangers organization that Toronto supposedly likes. Having said that, I don't think anyone should be surprised if the cost to do business includes Kravtsov.

If it's a one for one trade, I think I'd do it. If it's Kravstov+ or Kravtstov ++, then I'm not so inclined.

I should add with the caveat that Kravtsov's value is pretty low right now. Now isn't the right time do deal him when his value is the lowest it's been.

 

[Kovalev27]

Kravtsov would be a hard no for me even as much as I can’t stand him right now.

Buchy would have to be the piece to send back. They get a cheaper right wing similar production save cap space lose the upside of course. They get a 23 year old Georgiev and a good young d prospect. That’s plenty. The conversation should die if Kravtsov is a must.

 

[GAGLine]

Le Bonk.

Radek Le Bonk still plays?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

i’d leave him on read

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't think Toronto is interested in the farm.

They would be interested in talent that can step onto their roster immediately. They would also be interested in someone with the potential to step in cheaply sooner than later.

By farm I meant prospects and young players but yes I agree

With the way that roster is set up they need cheap talent and roster players

 

[Avery16]

 

[Lone Ranger]

1) I know you're a millennial, Kyle, but why the **** are you contacting me on snapchat? Are you going to Insta me he his medicals? Grow up and act like a professional. Christ almighty.

2) Now then, as to the offer in question, you're asking for too much, but we may have the basis for something there. Buch + Georgiev for Nylander + a mid round pick works. Or we could do the package you proposed, but then I'm going to need something more significant in addition to Nylander. I mean, have you seen how Keane is playing at HFD?

At least it wasn't on Tinder.

 

[kovazub94]

...I want him off this team at any cost. Addition by subtraction. I loathe him. You're either with me or against me on this. If you're against me, I guarantee we will not agree on much. I've found this to be a hard line. You're either a Buchnevich guy or you aren't...

and FWIW...I'm going to tag the handful of guys that I think are on the same page with me on most all here...

@egelband @Edge @Brooklyn Rangers Fan @CasusBelli @wafflepadsave @Kovalev27 @SnowblindNYR @NYRangers16

It's a good thing I'm clearly in the other camp re. Buchnevich. Because if I were one of the guys you tags I'd be asking to immediately remove my name from this list because NONE of them would use the language in bolded in Buchnevich's discussions.

 

[Trxjw]

I've been discussing this in PMs, and I can't put it all out here, but I'll share this much publicly on the board:

There is definitely an interest in Nylander. And I think there are components within the Rangers organization that Toronto supposedly likes. Having said that, I don't think anyone should be surprised if the cost to do business includes Kravtsov.

Makes total sense on a number of levels. Potentially a great fit with Zibanejad, thus freeing Panarin up to carry a lethal "2nd" line, but also talented enough to help drive that secondary scoring if they want to ice Panarin and Zib together. With Zib, Panarin, Kakko, Nylander, and Chytil in your top-six, the need sort of pivots from "high-end" like Kravtsov to "complimentary" like a Strome, or someone of that ilk.

I would expect the price to be high, but if you can solidify your top-six for a few years, that's potentially very much worth the cost. Definitely seems way too complicated to do in-season, however.

 

[Good Intentions]

It's a good thing I'm clearly in the other camp re. Buchnevich. Because if I were one of the guys you tags I'd be asking to immediately remove my name from this list because NONE of them would use the language in bolded in Buchnevich's discussions.

Maybe, maybe not. Definitely not for you to determine, or involve yourself in.

 

[rangers1314]

Not sure if it's been discussed , so I apologize in advance if it has.

Last week on 31 Thoughts, Elliot mentioned that Lou was engaged with NJ on Hall. Assuming that Hall isn't dealt to the Islanders....I wonder if he inquires on CK. You'd have to imagine he would.

How well do we match up with the Islanders? Would a package of their 2020 1st and Otto Koivula/Ruslan Iskhakov work?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Surely you don't mean Labonk?

Nah, but I was talking about Le Bank

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Not sure if it's been discussed , so I apologize in advance if it has.

Last week on 31 Thoughts, Elliot mentioned that Lou was engaged with NJ on Hall. Assuming that Hall isn't dealt to the Islanders....I wonder if he inquires on CK. You'd have to imagine he would.

How well do we match up with the Islanders? Would a package of their 2020 1st and Otto Koivula/Ruslan Iskhakov work?

I think the teams that are getting turned off by NJ's demand for Hall have inquired about CK, or likely will.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

Please hold. Your call is important to us. It will be answered in the order it was received.

 

[BLEETCH1994]

Kyle dubas dms you on Snapchat. he asks you for Georgiev Buchnevich and Joey Keane for William Nylander.

what do you say?

I'd say, if you are an adult, why are you using Snapchat? I guess I'm a "Boomer", but call me like adults do.

 

[Barnaby]

I do not think that it would take a ridiculous concession, but it would take a concession. Like I said, I think that it all depends on how much being here matters to him. If he were to do a 5 year deal at something between $6 & 7, that may be enough. Especially if there is demand for Buchnevich or if including him in a deal makes sense. But then there's the fact that after Hall is moved, Krieder becomes the best available forward. For a team that lacks depth scoring and wants a proven playoff performer, that can mean a good return and one that Gorton may not be willing to give up on. Too many variables in play and too many dominoes need to fall first. Guess we will all find out over the next several months.

I will be flabbergasted if Gorton gives him something in that range. He’s having a poor year, by all reports the Rangers weren’t interested to begin with, and the organization has been preaching “stay the course” for a few years now. It’s one thing to get a little loose with a younger elite level talent like Panarin against a guy like Kreider which more or less flys into the face of everything they’ve been doing the last couple years. I strongly believe he’d become the forward version of a Staal or Girardi. You give out 5-6 years because you fear losing the player in return for 2-3 years of adequate play. When Kreider no longer has the immense physical edge he’ll be a really bad contract. He doesn’t have the hockey IQ, consistency, or hands to adapt. I can see him making 6.5 million to score 30-35 points on the 3rd line while not even being able to contribute on a PK. I get that he’s the last of the competitive likable teams of the early/mid decade but that’s not enough for me. Resigning him just seems illogical and against what they’ve been doing. Resigning elite players is smart, overpaying that mid tier / upper mid tier - player into his mid-30’s is where you run into trouble. Just look across the league at countless examples.

 

[BKGooner]

i’d leave him on read

Isn't the right answer send him a fake selfie?
Don't get the Nylander love at all. If they want 4 good pieces under 25 and are sending us a cap dump, it better be in the shape of Marner or Matthews. Georgie, Skjei and Buch for an actual productive NHL'er not the facsimile of one.

 

[Kovalev27]

I'd say, if you are an adult, why are you using Snapchat? I guess I'm a "Boomer", but call me like adults do.

the guy wears glasses without a prescription what more do you expect from him

 

[BLEETCH1994]

the guy wears glasses without a prescription what more do you expect from him

LMAO! Well done!

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Kravstov for Nylander straight up or with a small add from the Leafs? Sign me up.

 

[haohmaru]

It’ll cost a lot less now to sign Kovalsuck, that’s fit sure.

 

[GAGLine]

Makes total sense on a number of levels. Potentially a great fit with Zibanejad, thus freeing Panarin up to carry a lethal "2nd" line, but also talented enough to help drive that secondary scoring if they want to ice Panarin and Zib together. With Zib, Panarin, Kakko, Nylander, and Chytil in your top-six, the need sort of pivots from "high-end" like Kravtsov to "complimentary" like a Strome, or someone of that ilk.

I would expect the price to be high, but if you can solidify your top-six for a few years, that's potentially very much worth the cost. Definitely seems way too complicated to do in-season, however.

Is Nylander really an upgrade on Buchnevich? Offensively, their numbers are pretty close this year, and I think Buch has improved his play without the puck quite a bit. Nylander is a year younger, but he will almost certainly be the more expensive player over the next 4 years in terms of cap hit, on top of the whatever the cost would be to acquire him.

If he were a different type of player than Buch, more of a power forward, I could see it making sense. But as is it feels like a "grass is greener" type scenario.