Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII
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leetch99
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Yup....Leafs save huge on the Cap and land a future guy n Kravstov . Then they can go get another Dman or back up for the playoff push . Leafs are dealing almost at desperation mode...us not so much . We have the hammer for a change .
With Kakko and Nylander in the fold there's no top-six role for him to transition into. As much as I like Kravtsov, I think he's the third best talent of that trio. You could move him or Kakko to LW, but you're also making your top-six relatively one-dimensional.
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Edge
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I would say that both Nylander and Kravtsov have 30 goal/70 point potential.
Nylander is much closer to realizing his, Kravtsov has a lot of promise, but not a lot of track record behind him.
Kravtsov could potentially be a cost-effective route for Toronto, but he's a bit of a mystery prize --- and that has nothing to do with what's happened this season. It's just the nature of prospects.
Nylander, in theory could step right into core that include Panarin, Zibanejad, as well as Chytil and Kakko in pretty short order. At 23, he's 3.5 years older than Kravtsov, but isn't out of place on the Rangers.
The Leafs aren't doing Nylander for Kravtsov straight up. It's just not happening. So you're going to have a very good roster player going the other way in any trade proposal.
Nylander isn't JP. You're not trading for a maybe, you're trading for a 20 goal/60 point player, who is on the cusp of a 30g/60p player this season, and isn't necessarily done progressing.
Essentially, he's more or less what you hope Kravtsov becomes.
Ok so uh no on the kravstov front. Kid needs to figure it out, but it seems hes headed for the right idea. He got depressed as a result of not making the team, then his play was crappy as a result. I assume gorton talked to him and told him that if he plays consistent, he'll get a callup. Are any top pairing lds in play? Im tjinking something along the lines of kreider+ for a first and prospect, then trade that 1st and add for a ld. Then the georgie and skjei to toronto, with a midround, for nylander and a 3rd or 2nd would be great. Also, uh shesterkin sported a 0.5 gaa this week with 1 shutout and is 1st in gaa and like 3rd in save percentage in the ahl. I know georgiev is great, i love his poise and i would like a tandem, but lundqvist makes it too expensive. Closer to the tdl, or even now these ideas should be explored. As for georgiev in the a, he wasnt that impressive ***GRANTED HE PLAYED FOR THIS SEASON REDWINGS VERSION OF THE AHL***, but suddenly he works with allaire and becomes a starter possibility? Let shesty get a few games tho before doing anything
Rongomania
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I think that's a fair assessment of their ceiling. I didn't mean to imply that Kravtsov is grossly inferior to Nylander, just that I think Nylander is a bit more dynamic in his game all things being equal. Plus he'd always be chasing the guys ahead of him, which is a tough spot for a kid to develop in. Especially as the Rangers shift their focus from player development to the playoffs.
I think there's quite a bit of value for the Rangers in having a known quantity in Nylander. Sure, it would be great to have a 60 point Kratvstov on an ELC but he seems pretty far removed from that level right now. Getting that immediate return from Nylander is one less thing the Rangers have to hope and pray for and he's cost controlled for another 4 years.
Edge
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It's out there that he's an option, though he's not being shopped.
The Rangers and Toronto are also familiar with each other and keep in semi-regular contact.
It's worth emphasizing, and repeating, that some of this is to give everyone an idea of some of the thought process behind the scenes, and which teams they have and continue to engage with.
Many of these names are not new names --- be it Nylander, Jost, JP, etc. It's to highlight what the cost is suspected to be, and whether or not there's an automatic no on the table.
Many of them have come up and will again in the coming weeks.
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I am all about going into 2020-2021 with this top-6
Nylander-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Nylander-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
I do not think that playing through an injury like he did over last several months of season and having a trade loom over him is now indicative of the player that he is.
I like Krieder and think that he offers as far as his style of play and what he is in the locker room more than he is being given credit for. I am also realistic and do believe that he will be moved. But I cannot see both him and Buchnevich being traded. Unless of course you are getting someone back that you can plug into your top 6 instantly.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Toronto would target DeAngelo now that Keefe has taken over. He is the type of player Dubas likes and it was under Keefe he put up 1.9+ PPG for the Greyhounds. Probably more of an offseason move to replace Barrie though.
I want to keep DeAngelo so it's not necessarily a development I like, but it's something that struck me.
I want to keep DeAngelo so it's not necessarily a development I like, but it's something that struck me.
What would they give us in return? Can't imagine they'd do Nylander straight up.
Shesterkybomb
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To me that's the type of player they would want but they wont be offering a Nylander for him, possibly a Bracco which would be ok too
Trading Skjei, which I am a big advocate of, creates a bigger hole in 1LD than there already is. The Rangers definitely need another threatening piece in their Top 6, and also a 1LD who can compliment Trouba, preferably an all-situation defenseman who can log 25 TOI a night, which is very hard to find and very pricey at that.
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Barnaby
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My thought process is that Buch would go the other way in that deal or another deal. Nylander is a bonafide 60 point player. I understand what you’re saying but that guy isn’t necessary available for a Georgie or Buch.
Buttery smooth in the Top 6, also buttery soft, too. But, having the depth like Lemieux and another bigger body who actually uses it (not Kreider, but a common name like Andersson) would give the Rangers those adjustments they would need to use on the fly against other match ups.
That is a pretty soft top-6. I would think that moves would be made to try to get it to include players that will compliment the skill that such players represent.
Edge
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In theory, a guy like Ferland would be a good fit for the Rangers. Of course, that was the thought process in Vancouver as well.
rangers1314
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Right, but those are the types of guys you can't be paying UFA prices for. Maybe Lemieux has a chance to become that type of guy for us.
Thanks again for all the info.
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Being soft didn’t stop Nylander from having a pair of 60-point seasons before his 22nd birthday.
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