Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII

[Irishguy42]

Fun fact: Panarin has more giveaways than Buch this season.

Guess Panarin is a bad signing then. Shame.

 

[Avery16]

Also Brooklyn-born, SI raised, and currently playing well but not well enough to break the bank on us next summer. If we could get him signed for around 4-4.5 for 4 years he can be a valuable player in our top-9. Definitely a shooting threat as well, though his numbers don't make it seem that way. This kid has got a good shot. I've been a fan of Labanc, I think he has put it together and could benefit under Quinn's coaching. For once I will have to agree with a Larry proposal despite the fact that I think it has no legs.

I would bridge him at something between 2.5-3

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Guess Panarin is a bad signing then. Shame.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I would bridge him at something between 2.5-3

He's currently on a show-me. I doubt he will want a bridge after this. He's gonna want his money. I'm willing to bet on him at 4-4.5. By the end of that contract he could be worth 7.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I would bridge him at something between 2.5-3

I tried looking on cap friendly but couldn't find it, but based on years of service if they did a 2 year bridge would that take him to UFA? Or would he have 1 last RFA season?

 

[Irishguy42]

I tried looking on cap friendly but couldn't find it, but based on years of service if they did a 2 year bridge would that take him to UFA? Or would he have 1 last RFA season?

Bolded is correct, AFAIK

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Bolded is correct, AFAIK

Think I'd give him $4x4 or $4x5 then. If he performs like we think he could after 2 seasons the AAV could be pushing $6+. Going to need that extra money with Kakko and Fox needing new deals, who we would likely want to lock in long term.

 

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[Irishguy42]

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[Deleted member 23124]

When Kreider gets traded there’s almost no chance Buchnevich also gets moved

I get the feeling both will be moved.

 

[Fitzy]

I get the feeling both will be moved.

Not enough wing depth in the organization to trade a still young Buchnevich

 

[RangersFan1994]

I get the feeling both will be moved.

I feel Kreider Buchnevich Fast gets traded
Strome DeAngelo Lemieux resigns

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He is an upgrade from Michael Haley

I'm an upgrade over Haley and I cannot even skate

 

[Kovalev27]

I get the feeling both will be moved.

So do I frankly. I think Kravtsov is basically what we hoped Buchnevich would be. And Buchy at 3.5 mil is a good deal but Buchy and his warts at 5 plus mil? I’d rather move him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There’s not enough depth on wing to move both Kreider and Buchnevich

Kakko and Panarin are locked in on the wing but who else is playing there long term?

Kravstov is still a big unknown at this point

 

[DanielBrassard]

There’s not enough depth on wing to move both Kreider and Buchnevich

Kakko and Panarin are locked in on the wing but who else is playing there long term?

Kravstov is still a big unknown at this point

Yep. Wing depth is a big weakness organizationally. Wouldn't be shocked if we see a D traded for a winger who's somewhat established soon enough

 

[Ola]

So do I frankly. I think Kravtsov is basically what we hoped Buchnevich would be. And Buchy at 3.5 mil is a good deal but Buchy and his warts at 5 plus mil? I’d rather move him.

With Buch, we must ask ourself, where will he be in 3-4 years?

It’s of course not proof of anything regarding Buch, but it’s important to remember that Ziba wasn’t better than Buch is right now at the same age. I think Buch is much better this year than last, and last year he was much better than the year before, and so forth. Why would that development curve stop today? Can’t he grow more physically? I would bet on that he has a lot of room physically. Does he have the drive? Is the head there? It’s hard to know.

I like a lot of what I am seeing from Buch.

 

[kovazub94]

After next summer he's gonna want to get paid. Is he a $4-$5 million player? Nope.

“Nope”, I agree. Because in this cap NHL and based on where it’s going he worth more than that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Anthony Duke has 18 goals this year... that's one trade I would take back

We were in win-now mode in 2015. The Yandle trade was a good trade. Not winning the Cup does not change that

 

[True Blue]

I don’t see a path unless you mean he sustains a major injury, and is willing to sign for a lot less than market. I don’t think the Rangers have any intention of resigning him. Its seemed like that for awhile now, and a so far disappointing year certainly shouldn’t change that. It’s never smart to say 100% ... but it’s def something I’m EXTREMELY comfortable predicting. Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a couple Brooks articles in the post about being in contact etc... like they did with Hayes.

The path is he and Gorton come together on a deal that is beneficial to both parties and Krieder is as a part of the leadership group on the other side. Which means that it is probably Buch that gets dealt.

Again, just theoretical.

 

[True Blue]

He was also one of the greatest passers in NHL history.

That does not mean he passed up any opportunities to shoot the puck on goal.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

We’re talking about Buchnevich here?

He’s for sure worth that, I’m not even sure how someone could debate that

Buch is not a $5 million player in a cap world. Not even close.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Absolutely. He's not part of the solution here. I don't see him as the playoff type. Maybe if you put him with two stars but to me, he's run his course here. No loss as far as I'm concerned. Unless they get blown away, I think they sign DeAngelo to a 4 y, 18 million deal. Let him play one more year here, let Lundkvist play one year for the Pack and then deal DeAngelo. Me, I'd use him to go after Cozens. Bring Keane up and see what you have. I doubt they do that.

Do you try and do a deal like Buchnevich and Howden for Puljujarvi and Benson? I would.

Pulju has very little value in my opinion. Perimeter player in the Finnish leagues.

 

[True Blue]

Curious, how come?

He does not strike as the type of prospect that seems read to make such a jump. He will need time to hone the craft.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Buch isn't a $5 million player. I like him but he's scored 20 goals once. He's on pace for below 50 points. It's not good value.