Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[Clark Kellogg]

Might want to skip this one.
Forever Blueshirts. Jim Cerny’s take on JT Miller. Says he’s a quite guy who just wants to play hard hockey. Doesn’t like being in the spotlight.
This season just keeps getting worse and worserer.

 

[Guyute]

Dallas is going to regret that Rantanen contract. Second new team this year and still not lighting it up. Tough to move on from a generational line mate, especially when you’re a slow af skater.

Thank god the Rangers didn’t touch that.

 

[bleedblue94]

as someone who is totally down with trading fox (i straight up dislike him personally) i’d say you’re talking out of your ass here

And I care what you think why?

 

[bernmeister]

Sad but very predictable

says the guy who ha ha-s nearly every post I make

"Beast factor" is the last phrase id use to describe Kreider this year, or any other year minus his 50 goal season.

disagree
I said up until now, which means earlier this season
Kreider has often been the ONLY dominant force on the ice based on skating/size etc
eye test verifies and your effort at revisionist history = fail

 

[pld459666]

The team that won the conference finals was handed to Drury, the one we have now was created by him.

He was part of the leadership group that put that team together

 

[bleedblue94]

I don't trust my memory but that team sure felt different with and without Brian that season.

I don't know if Fox should be looked at for this injured season alone though.

That team was completely different without leetch, and you didn't need to try to find it bc it was very apparent. Things did not feel the same while fox was out bc there was no real discernable difference. This team is bad regardless. I'm not looking to run fox out of here, but with where the team is and where he is going the two don't align properly. By the time this org starts to get things on track fox is 30 and starting to stare at his next contract. And so the cycle continues...

 

[NYR Viper]

For everyone so concerned about this years pick being top-13 and therefore Drury going up the 2026 unprotected pick:

Just because it is protected DOES NOT mean Drury need to push it a year. From everything we are hearing, teams think this draft after 13 is not great but that doesn’t mean all teams agree. There’s nothing to say that by the time the draft rolls around, Drury looks at the team he has assembled, along with his anticipated moves in UFA and says, yeah, Pitt, you take that #12 pick because the guys I had hopes for are gone and I’ll keep my 2026 pick.

The Rangers have the option of pushing the pick but it’s not necessary if it’s top-13. If Drury trades Panarin and Kreider but doesn’t see a path towards icing a better product for next year just give up the 2025 pick and roll in to next year with a full gambit of picks.

 

[bleedblue94]

Fox's mistake ended up being the GWG. Hardly any mention of it. If it was anybody, forgot about it. He misplays pucks. Blown defensive assignments. Nothing. You know people would have been all over Miller if it was his fault. However, Joe put the blame on Fox. When Fox was out, the PP struggled. People said the power play misses Fox. The PP struggled with Fox prior to the shoulder injury and is struggling with him.

Bingo.

But he's the golden boy, immune from responsibility and accountability in many instances, especially on this board...

 

[Machinehead]

Panarin played for Torts in Columbus for a couple of years as their top player when they won their only playoff series ever, sweeping the 1 seed Lightning. Tortorella still uses Panarin as an example to complement his players from time to time, saying Konecny is a good player when tired saying Bread was the best at taht he ever coached or Foerster’s hands, etc.

This narrative that Panarin would crumble under some hard coaching or not be willing to adjust is absurd. He thrived under a guy who is considered a tough sob and even an anachronism or dinosaur.

Maybe Laviollette just sucks or it’s his system. I don’t know as I am not in the locker room. Panarin is on what, an 12 game point streak and scoring goals while we are fighting for our playoff lives. He can be better, of course, which would be reasonable criticism.

But I do know Panarin isn’t responsible for dudes not on his line playing badly, he’s not primarily responsible for this disaster of a season and he’s not at fault for starting the Chicago fire, the 1815 Mt. Tambora eruption, or the 1970 Huascaran avalanche.

Panarin was definitely a Torts guy at the time and I agree with the notion that he'd play a better overall game if forced to.

I just don't think it's gonna work here. Three coaches haven't been able to make it happen.

We set the tone immediately that he was the star here. Not only could he do what he wanted, but we built the team around coddling and mimicking his worst habits. The deadline where we traded for all his friends is the best example.

Panarin would do well complimenting a team that otherwise has things together, and already has strong standards on how they want to play. This entire generation of Rangers players is already engulfed in Panarinball, and getting rid of everything around him to rebuild the squad behooves us to just get rid of Panairn anyway.

 

[Machinehead]

For everyone so concerned about this years pick being top-13 and therefore Drury going up the 2026 unprotected pick:

Just because it is protected DOES NOT mean Drury need to push it a year. From everything we are hearing, teams think this draft after 13 is not great but that doesn’t mean all teams agree. There’s nothing to say that by the time the draft rolls around, Drury looks at the team he has assembled, along with his anticipated moves in UFA and says, yeah, Pitt, you take that #12 pick because the guys I had hopes for are gone and I’ll keep my 2026 pick.

The Rangers have the option of pushing the pick but it’s not necessary if it’s top-13. If Drury trades Panarin and Kreider but doesn’t see a path towards icing a better product for next year just give up the 2025 pick and roll in to next year with a full gambit of picks.

The Rangers do have the option, but I can't see them having the foresight to voluntarily give it up this year regardless of where they land.

They're gonna have whatever guy they think is Messier already lined up. And it's probably some dude we've never heard of who isn't scoring that much in whatever league he's in.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

The Rangers do have the option, but I can't see them having the foresight to voluntarily give it up this year regardless of where they land.

They're gonna have whatever guy they think is Messier already lined up. And it's probably some dude we've never heard of who isn't scoring that much in whatever league he's in.

Jugh Hessiman is ours!

 

[lakeshirts37]

I think they will be more likely to notice his 35 years than his 30 goals.

youre right NHL GMs never overlook age ever

 

[Takeahnase]

Panarin was definitely a Torts guy at the time and I agree with the notion that he'd play a better overall game if forced to.

I just don't think it's gonna work here. Three coaches haven't been able to make it happen.

We set the tone immediately that he was the star here. Not only could he do what he wanted, but we built the team around coddling and mimicking his worst habits. The deadline where we traded for all his friends is the best example.

Panarin would do well complimenting a team that otherwise has things together, and already has strong standards on how they want to play. This entire generation of Rangers players is already engulfed in Panarinball, and getting rid of everything around him to rebuild the squad behooves us to just get rid of Panairn anyway.

It’s just puzzling what has happened this season. Look at this goal from last year and our 3 forwards are hitting the blue line skating in together vs one guy and two forwards at a dead stop on the blue line like this year. Trocheck and Bread flying in with speed…I don’t think we’ve seen that at all and only the coaches and players can explain it. We are capable of playing this way and we don’t and I don’t think you can lay it all at Panarin’s feet.

 

[Fitzy]

The Rangers do have the option, but I can't see them having the foresight to voluntarily give it up this year regardless of where they land.

They're gonna have whatever guy they think is Messier already lined up. And it's probably some dude we've never heard of who isn't scoring that much in whatever league he's in.

Come on down, Cullen Potter

 

[effen]

The Rangers do have the option, but I can't see them having the foresight to voluntarily give it up this year regardless of where they land.

They're gonna have whatever guy they think is Messier already lined up. And it's probably some dude we've never heard of who isn't scoring that much in whatever league he's in.

In no world are they actually keeping the pick.

They are 100% of the time packaging it for an LD solution with term.

 

[RangersFan1994]

In no world are they actually keeping the pick.

They are 100% of the time packaging it for an LD solution with term.

Trade K'Andre Miller for a 1st. Use thet first to get a better LD. If Skjei can net a first. KAM should be able to do so too

 

[Profet]

The Rangers do have the option, but I can't see them having the foresight to voluntarily give it up this year regardless of where they land.

They're gonna have whatever guy they think is Messier already lined up. And it's probably some dude we've never heard of who isn't scoring that much in whatever league he's in.

Lots of "character"
Has all the intangibles.
Born leader.
High floor, low ceiling.
Only downside is his skating.

 

[Machinehead]

It’s just puzzling what has happened this season. Look at this goal from last year and our 3 forwards are hitting the blue line skating in together vs one guy and two forwards at a dead stop on the blue line like this year. Trocheck and Bread flying in with speed…I don’t think we’ve seen that at all and only the coaches and players can explain it. We are capable of playing this way and we don’t and I don’t think you can lay it all at Panarin’s feet.

For every one of these there;s 2 or 3 instances of him stopping dead before making a dumb pass. That's what he is, and he's talented enough to make it work. The problem starts when the whole team plays like that.

Every team in NHL is capable of playing well. It's how often you do it. Evidently, we're not capable of keeping it up. Whether that's can't or won't, it's still not capable.

 

[effen]

Trade K'Andre Miller for a 1st. Use thet first to get a better LD. If Skjei can net a first. KAM should be able to do so too

I think Miller you can do a better hockey trade with than futures. You can get a 1st for him but that really doesn't move the needle with the hole he'd leave.

 

[UnparalledPark]

There's a new King of the One Timer in NY. Mika has been dethroned.

Dallas is going to regret that Rantanen contract. Second new team this year and still not lighting it up. Tough to move on from a generational line mate, especially when you’re a slow af skater.

Thank god the Rangers didn’t touch that.

I have a feeling we will wish we went after him before all is said and done.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I think Miller you can do a better hockey trade with than futures. You can get a 1st for him but that really doesn't move the needle with the hole he'd leave.

Less giveaways with KAM gone so nothing but a positive when trading Miller. It's a shame the Rangers rather rely on AHL vets over developing young defensive depth in Hartford that is playing in pro hockey. Drury really didn't anything to fix that big issue in the organization

 

[bobbop]

This is the latest I've come up with:


Step 1: injury retire special deal w/Kreider, not a standard buyout
recover his cap


1. NYR-CHI
Shesty 11.5 x 8 + Berard 867,500 x 2 = cap hit 12,367,500
for
CHI 2025 + 2026 1sts, both unprotected, plus return NYR 2025 1st
Spencer Knight, 4.5 x 2 Cap hit = 4.5

Why Blackhawks:
a) 8 yrs primo elite G – a known commodity – will help make CHI closer to competitive faster, also keep Bedard happy
b) thought I saw somewhere there is a prob in that Bedard is way faster than other Fs and has to slow down. Berard may not have a long NHL career due to being undersized, but he should be a good 2-3 yr stopgap at min providing speed for Bedard

Why Rs
picks obv; think Garand has higher upside, but Allaire tutoring Knight may up his game and create a good trade chip
also, 8+m cap relief


2. NYR-LAK
Zib at half = 4.25 per x 5 + Schneider 2.2 x 1 ->rfa
for
Byfield 6.25 x 4, Dvorak 870k x 3 elc, Helenius 805,833 x 1 + LAK 2026 1st unprotected + LAK 2027 2nd

cap is ballpark =, slight savings to LA

Why LA:
supposedly hesitant to sell Spence or Clarke b’c concerns if Doughty falls off a cliff they’re effed, no reserves
hate to give up Schneider, but they pay top $ for him
Zib likely they are hoping for scoring W, but can be a depth pivot; max retain x 5 ups his value
They are on borrowed time w/Kopitar, so moving Byfield is a wince. But their immediate pivot depth can briefly support this.

Why Rs
Again picks, but also a potential 1C. Dvorak is a big LD first round prospect. Helenius looks good and is huge w/speed.


3. NYR-DAL
Panarin retained 5.6+ to 6m x 1 expiring + SEA 2025 3rd
for
Bichsel < 1 + DAL 2026 2nd + 2027 1st (unprotected) + rfa rights to Nils L.
Cap is roughly 5m savings to Rs

Why Stars
All in move w/high end W. Surrendering Bisch is a wince, but worth it at full retain. NY can take a cap dump if nec but DAL should be good w/cap increase, roster revamp, etc

Why Rs
good young D [lefty shot we think maybe he can play either side] + picks, move vets, recover cap


Assuming we keep jtm + trochek, main ? is keeping moving Fox while we can IF there is overpay – put on the side for now

extend Edstrom, Rempe, Cuylle + KAM longer term
take a shot at Peterka, Drew Helleson + Morgan Barron, but let’s not presume they are a get just yet

Wait until LaF gets chemistry + returns to a high value, then sell high + replace w/Gabe P

so looking like something like
Cuylle - Byfield - jtm
LaF - Tro - Carrick
Edstrom - Helenius - Rempe
Othmann/Parssinen - Brodz - Chmelar/best option

and again, Fox on the side...
KAM - Borgen
Bichsel - Soucy
Vaak - Jones/Nils L
quality prospects Dvorak/Fortescue/Emery marinating

G: Garand reinforced Quick + Domingue
Knight I expect dealt once enuf on the table

lots of cap space + picks to use/upgrade youth->even better youth

Ho boy!

 

[bobbop]

I don't doubt the source or the rumour at all; but it's such a weird way of operating.
Fall into the playoffs and maybe win a game? Meh, ok, minor changes only
Miss by a few games? Scorched earth baby!

If ownership doesn't trust the guys they have, move them on; don't play 'near enough is good enough' or you are just doing the same thing next season

It’s not a rumor, it’s a projection. Big difference

 

[bobbop]

In March 2000, I was in New York on a business trip and I went to the Rangers 6-0 loss to Detroit on a Monday night. I’m not sure if the Rangers were officially eliminated but it was obvious they were jot going to do enough in their last four games to make the playoffs. It was a brutal show, much like Tuesday night. The next afternoon Muckler and Smith were whacked.

This week has brought back a lot of bad memories.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There's no way this team all fell off a cliff at the same time, imo they don't like the coach or at the least disagree with his directions. Decline cab happen to an couple players and there would be no thought about it, but for everyone to be worse this year points to an issue with management or coaching.