Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?

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The Athletic has an article this morning predicting the 50 best players in the NHL in the 2021-22 season according to advanced stats and computer projection models.

Not a single Rangers prospect or current player in that list. Panarin is #29. The Rangers need to find a way to get elite talent. Kravtsov is the best shot right now.
 
The Athletic has an article this morning predicting the 50 best players in the NHL in the 2021-22 season according to advanced stats and computer projection models.

Not a single Rangers prospect or current player in that list. Panarin is #29. The Rangers need to find a way to get elite talent. Kravtsov is the best shot right now.
I was going to read through that but thanks for saving me the click
 
If you still think Kreider is lazy or not a 1st liner in 2018, you're missing out on one of our best players because you're not paying attention. I actually feel bad for you.
Gotta say, you and I have been on opposite sides of many a debate, but seeing eye to eye here.
 
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No, that's not what I see, I just typed it our for **** and giggles.
Clearly that can be the only possible answer as virtually anyone else watching him this season sees something completely different.

I would actually like to know on what teams do you see him as a third line player and on what teams do you see him as a second line player.
 
It's nice that Zuc loves NY. This is professional sports not a movie series. His production is down.

Eddie Johnstone a lifetime ago also loved NY and he was moved. Life will go on.

As for the Athletic article, it's all clickbait. There will be another Shea Webber, another Henrik Zetterberg, another Patrick Hornqvist, etc. (later round picks who become stars).

Back to roster moves; I'm curious if the Rangers put in a claim for Gemel Smith. He's an excellent skater and maybe someone Quinn can work with and turn into a Prust/Hagelin hybrid.
 
Clearly that can be the only possible answer as virtually anyone else watching him this season sees something completely different.

I would actually like to know on what teams do you see him as a third line player and on what teams do you see him as a second line player.

Gotta love the ‘Kreider is lazy because he doesn’t go balls to the wall every time he’s on the ice’ meme that shows up from time to time.
 
The Athletic has an article this morning predicting the 50 best players in the NHL in the 2021-22 season according to advanced stats and computer projection models.

Not a single Rangers prospect or current player in that list. Panarin is #29. The Rangers need to find a way to get elite talent. Kravtsov is the best shot right now.

nothing new here. ive been down on this organizations draft results for years.

our current roster is void of anyone in the top 50 players right now. nothing new here.

take a hard look with eyes wide open, weve been pretty weak at drafting/developing top talent even when we have a chance to take the right guy.

mcilrath will go down in history as the single biggest bust pick yet gordie clark told us he had "huge upside".

clowns.
 
Gotta love the ‘Kreider is lazy because he doesn’t go balls to the wall every time he’s on the ice’ meme that shows up from time to time.
Yeah, of all of the things that I have seen 'round these parts, the Kreider discussion in this thread is one that just baffles me.
 
nothing new here. ive been down on this organizations draft results for years.

our current roster is void of anyone in the top 50 players right now. nothing new here.

take a hard look with eyes wide open, weve been pretty weak at drafting/developing top talent even when we have a chance to take the right guy.

mcilrath will go down in history as the single biggest bust pick yet gordie clark told us he had "huge upside".

clowns.
Wow, rebuilding team doesn’t have a current top 50 player, I’m shocked.
 
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Bowman mismanaged the cap, and his scouts, who were excellent, are no longer the same group. CHI's model depended heavily on good cheap depth, and they haven't had that in a while. 3 Cups doesn't make him a bad GM. But they need a change.

Hayes- look I'm not in the boat of paying him $6M over term. I don't think the Rangers are either. Brooksie's always got a point that drives readership, this year it's this. Hayes isn't consistent enough to win with, and will garner a very nice return at the deadline which will help the Rangers a lot more than a long-term deal will. A bad Hayes contract comes at a very high opportunity cost, and I'm sure the Rangers get that.

I like your last point a lot. It was, not sure if it still is, but it definitely was too chummy in there for a few years. 15-17.... there wasn't enough accountability in that room. It didn't help that the coach was largely absent outside of games, practices and X&Os, but you can do that with a self sustaining locker room. The Rangers didn't have that, and need to build that again. So I definitely want changes, and trading out Zucc and Hayes will go a long way with that.

The team I look at and say, **** those guys play for one another, every shift, and every second on the ice is the WPG Jets. They built a culture and identity. When you watch that team, you see every guy chasing a puck, moving their feet, and the next man is there supporting them.

I see signs of that with Quinn, especially as he's shortening the bench.... but imagine if the bench didn't need to be shortened. Then you have a team with everyone that shows up. Moving Spooner was a good start, but I think they've got a few more heads to roll out for that to fully manifest.
Agree on everything. Again, they were hot takes.

It's funny how it has to be one extreme or the other. Bowman isn't really bad, but he is paying the price of success. He also isn't a genius and Tallon deserve a lot of the credit for the assets he acquired.

Bowman pushed all of his chips in for those 3 cups, and some other runs that fell short. I'm not going to kill him for depleting the assets in lieu of hedging his bets. I think he did a poor job on some of his trades too.
 
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Wow, rebuilding team doesn’t have a current top 50 player, I’m shocked.

rebuilding ? lol. has nothing to do with it. nada. zip. zilch.

we dont have top 50 guy now and that article projects lack of top 50 guy thru 21-22 seasons

please identify those players weve drafted that have been top 50....

ill wait.
 
You know what Gorton could do with that expiring contract of Kreider’s? If he ends up putting up around 35 goals, you could...gasp...re-sign him long term.
Yeah, and he just might......ummmm....gasp, be worth it. Finally a player that we have been through "thick and thin", turns out to be a really good story. He just has to be a keeper. If he isnt, then who is? Said it before, he will be our next Captain.
Then again, we trade Captains, dont we?
 
Wow, rebuilding team doesn’t have a current top 50 player, I’m shocked.

Narrative...not recognizing that this group has added three potential high end players in Chytil, Kravtsov and Miller allows the concept that this team doesn’t know how to draft to perpetuate.
 
Narrative...not recognizing that this group has added three potential high end players in Chytil, Kravtsov and Miller allows the concept that this team doesn’t know how to draft to perpetuate.

did you read the article ?

projecting top 50 players and those names you mentioned above surprisingly arent on that list...

but yeah, conspiracy and narrative

the athletic has good stuff. its one of the best imo. not perfect but very good.
 
I think this is going to be more about flexibility moving forward. If any offer to Hayes or anyone has to include restrictive clauses or a cap hit that would hinder them trading the player I just don't think the Rangers make that commitment when on the horizon they see so many possible 2nd contracts to the players they are currently trying to develop, and to players they have not even drafted or traded for yet.
 
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did you read the article ?

projecting top 50 players and those names you mentioned above surprisingly arent on that list...

but yeah, conspiracy and narrative

the athletic has good stuff. its one of the best imo. not perfect but very good.
It’s a subjective list about what might take three years from now that you’ve chosen to use as a weapon. It’s as silly as writing out lineups based on prospects in the system for the same time period. Do you think any list would have Mark Schiefele on one of these lists after his draft year, or not have Adam Larsson or Dylan Strome after their respective draft years? You can give it whatever credence you choose. I find it nothing more than clickbait.
 
The Athletic has an article this morning predicting the 50 best players in the NHL in the 2021-22 season according to advanced stats and computer projection models.

Not a single Rangers prospect or current player in that list. Panarin is #29. The Rangers need to find a way to get elite talent. Kravtsov is the best shot right now.
To be fair, unless you’re a freak prospect like EP or Dahlin, game score won’t treat you well initially because of deployment and development early on. A guy like MacKinnon would’ve looked paltry by GS if we looked at his D+1&2 seasons.
The majority of that list is already established stars, so it’s not shocking that they’re still projected to be top players only 2 years from now. It’s also impossible to forecast current prospects since Game Score is only measured from NHL games.

I mean the top-15 is McDavid, MacK, Matthews, Pastrnak, Kucherov, Rantanen, Laine, Dahlin, Barkov, Seth Jones, Marner, Scheifele, Hall, Eichel, and Hedman.

Who do we have that was ever even sniffing these guys as top players in two years? They’ll all still be in their prime and leading their team unless they have a significant injury or magically fall off of a cliff. Even a guy like Svechnikov is only 42nd on this list, and he’s already a top volume shooter and ixGF generator at even strength.
 
I would trade literally anyone on this team for the right price. The right price for Kreider would have to be astronomical at this juncture.
And that is something you would hear out of a GM's mouth (or, at least how he should handle things) the phrase of......"if Gretzky can be traded......"
But, at some point there is a breaking point on who has a real chance of staying long term and who is best to get what you can going OUT the door.
True Kreids value has to be astronomical.....but dont you just "have to" keep him? Even if you got TWO 1st rounders for him and a good prospect, doesn't that send the pendulum in the other direction?
We already don't score many goals, yeah go ahead and trade Zuccha, Hayes AND Kreids and we will be getting shut out once every 3 or 4 games. Losing, and probably losing badly. Yeah, that's good for the team......we will lose enough WITH Kreids, and "if" we are screenshot lucky, we will get a Kreids clone in that trade, that will be READY in 5 years, like we waited for Kreids the original.
 
It’s a subjective list about what might take three years from now that you’ve chosen to use as a weapon. It’s as silly as writing out lineups based on prospects in the system for the same time period. Do you think any list would have Mark Schiefele on one of these lists after his draft year, or not have Adam Larsson or Dylan Strome after their respective draft years? You can give it whatever credence you choose. I find it nothing more than clickbait.

we have no one in the top 50 players right now.

this article projects we will have no one in 21-22.

first is fact. second conjecture. neither feels all that good tbh when you are a die hard fan of this team.

we lack top talent right now and im not sure we have any in the system and thats why we are rebuilding or whatever we are doing.

hopefully this draft changes that.
 
It's not hate.

It sure as hell sounds like it.

Why is this board so immature?

Immature? Cute coming from you.

Hayes isn't worth the type of contract he is demanding.

What is he worth then? 6M 3 years ago is different than 6M tomorrow. Just to be clear, I like Hayes but wouldn't want him here for 6M. Or 5M for that matter. I want him moved for future assets.

$6M should buy more than 50 points which would his career high in points.

If Hayes was a one dimensional winger, then I would agree. But he's not.

Hopefully, Hayes gets his game back on track and the Rangers can max his trade value.

Do you watch the games? His game has been on track. He won't continue shooting at a 7% clip. Despite that, he's trending for 50 points. That's a second line center.
 
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