Tawnos
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Yes. It’s 1st and 2nd year professionals (not NHLers) that are exempt. Hajek will be a 3rd year pro by then.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?
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Yes. It’s 1st and 2nd year professionals (not NHLers) that are exempt. Hajek will be a 3rd year pro by then.
Why didn’t we keep McDonagh? We could have realistically kept him.
Just because you could, doesn’t mean you should.
Are we competing against the big clubs with Zib and Hayes down the middle for the next 1/2 decade? Nope.
Sather halfassed the Rangers rebuild and it ultimately led to a bunch of playoffs and no Cup. This franchise has been desperate for young, cost controlled elite talent. You find those gems in the draft. Hence why JG has drafted 5 times in the 1st round over the last two years.
I like Hayes and if circumstances were different, I think a lot of people would entertain the idea of bringing him back. But let’s be reality here. We suck. And that’s ok, we were expected to suck.
We need more opportunities next draft. Hayes has been a good Ranger but with all things considered, his trade value is more desirable for this rebuilding team than a 6x6 extension with a NTC/NMC.
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Considering how much rosters change year to year, trying to predict an expansion draft 3 years from now is pointless. I think it’s safe to say that if Hajek becomes the player the Rangers think he will then they’re not going leave him unprotected and if he fails to become that player then who cares?
Exactly. I feel like there's a lot of risk averse folks trying to cling to something through the rebuild. Lots of "what if Hayes gets better" mixed with "the rookies might suck" and not so much of the inverse.
Tawnos
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True. Although, I would say that’s I don’t really believe the Rangers made many mistakes in the last rebuild. They went with the circumstances they had. Changing the way things went would have meant trading Lundqvist early in his career and pretending Jagr wasn’t having a career renaissance.
There isn’t an organization that would’ve operated differently.
You won’t be able to easily retain on Smith, that being said we could conceivably sign both Panarin and Hayes - Fs will look great, D still a problem
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Did a little playing with the numbers and players in regard to age. For me......it is so obvious that this league is getting younger by the day. Teams that stay too long, with too many aging players.......will soon regret it. Experience is "essential", and obviously I am stating the obvious.......but with a little tinkering.......that we all KNOW the Rangers will do......we "should be or become" close to one of the youngest teams in the NHL. I mean......have we EVER been that?
According to.......Sizing up the NHL: 2017-18 NHL teams by age, height and...
We are at 27.5 years per player.
That's subtracting 123 years, and replacing them with a "barely maximium" 25 years of age, per.....well, that brings us to 25.2. Which brings us to right behind Colorado and Columbus at 25.0
Clearly we will be "younger" than that.... with simply younger additions, whether it be Boo Nieves or even a Gilmour as our 7th.......sends us to youngest in the league. A good thing and work our way older, opposed to the old mans team like the Wings, Kings, Ducks and surprisingly Ottawa have now.
According to.......Sizing up the NHL: 2017-18 NHL teams by age, height and...
We are at 27.5 years per player.
Subtracting......
McLeod @34 (via trade, release or down to the "A".)
McQuaid OR Staal, both at 32 years old. Likely McQuaid, right?
Zuccharello @31 via trade
Hayes @26 via trade
McLeod @34 (via trade, release or down to the "A".)
McQuaid OR Staal, both at 32 years old. Likely McQuaid, right?
Zuccharello @31 via trade
Hayes @26 via trade
That's subtracting 123 years, and replacing them with a "barely maximium" 25 years of age, per.....well, that brings us to 25.2. Which brings us to right behind Colorado and Columbus at 25.0
Clearly we will be "younger" than that.... with simply younger additions, whether it be Boo Nieves or even a Gilmour as our 7th.......sends us to youngest in the league. A good thing and work our way older, opposed to the old mans team like the Wings, Kings, Ducks and surprisingly Ottawa have now.
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McDonagh and Hayes are so completely unrelated. And I don’t mean to be rude because I don’t like the idea of blowing someone’s point of view off but if that’s where this situation takes you then we’re not going to see eye to eye.
McD has next to no tread left on his tires, had been beaten and battered for a couple years leading up to (and here’s your third distinctive difference) was going to net term that would take that package of a player to his 34 season. No thanks. We did McD a favor sending him to Tampa where he can be relied upon yet part of a bigger picture and not so accountable.
Hayes on the other hand had proven to be durable (the best ability is availability) and is going to net him a contract term that takes him to only 32 and we could maybe keep it to 31. Opposed to McD, where you could reasonably argue him staying in a situation where he would have been heavily relied upon would probably sooner brought up a decline, you could very fairly argue that at the very least Kevin has plateaued as a 55 point 2 way center with little to no baggage. You could just as fairly argue he may even progress a bit more pushing himself into the 60 point shut down center convo, and those guys aren’t growing on trees.
We shouldn’t have kept McD so we didn’t. We should keep Hayes even if it’s only to trade him in 2 years and I’m worried we won’t.
You don’t think there’s a market for Smith retained right now? To me he’s played better than last year for sure but I understand why Detroit fans were happy to see him go. I wasn’t in the re-sign Smith camp but he’s played well enough where at $2-2.5 mil he should be able to be moved. And if we’re talking about creating opportunities for this pipeline of kids to get shots, and we are serious about freeing up money, I’d take the best offer I could find immediately.
The issue with retaining on Smith is that it will tie up dead space past $6M next year. You've got $4.5M on the Girardi buyout and Spooner retention. Doesn't mean you have to have $1.5M+ on a Smith deal, but you are better off taking a contract back rather than retaining.
Spooner at $4M would have been unbearable to most of the posters on here by today if he was still on the roster. Good on Gorts for getting out of that jam, but if Gorts can't get out of the cap hell he's created from himself by the next three transaction periods (TDL, Draft, Free Agency)... I'd start the countdown on his dismissal.
They should get a capologist. Would be a nice PR move in addition to a practical benefit. Cause this crew hasn't shown the brightest acumen when it comes to managing the cap.
Sorry Gorts, fix this, or it will cost you.
Spooner at $4M would have been unbearable to most of the posters on here by today if he was still on the roster. Good on Gorts for getting out of that jam, but if Gorts can't get out of the cap hell he's created from himself by the next three transaction periods (TDL, Draft, Free Agency)... I'd start the countdown on his dismissal.
They should get a capologist. Would be a nice PR move in addition to a practical benefit. Cause this crew hasn't shown the brightest acumen when it comes to managing the cap.
Sorry Gorts, fix this, or it will cost you.
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Your argument (and many who say keep Hayes) falls flat because you can't sign him without a NMC, and he wont want to be traded based on how much he claims he loves it here, and it's proximity to his family in the Mass. area. You will Sundin this team if you sign him and HOPE he waves for a trade on an up and coming team that is just opening the window again.
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And McDonagh got some tread back on the tires, so to speak. He's having a great year.
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So here’s where the conversation gets iffy and so ambiguous. I should say before I go on, I can see the merit in trading Hayes, or at least one of him or Mika, so I’m not serving an agenda where I’m in love with Hayes. I just see a lot more value going forward with Hayes under contract. We’ve seen a lot of creative things with contracts here and league wide. This is where I’d really test his loyalty. I’d offer him a spot more or front load it and tell him he can have a modified NMC in year 3 and full NMC til the end and if you have to move him before it kicks in a la Stepan then so be it. I wouldn’t bow down to him but if he’s willing to be reasonable I’d be worried about making it work dumping other salary first.
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I understood trading him, especially in light of the rebuild, but as a fan, seeing McDonagh traded and in a Lightning uniform is a gut punch. For me, if they can trade McDonagh, there’s no reason to not deal Hayes or Zuccarello.
A lot of these guys (Staal, Shattenkirk, Fast, Vesey, Smith etc.) don’t have contracts that would carry them into the expansion draft time frame. Neither does Henrik. The 2+ year lead time will make it easy to create a protected list. They will sign who they want to keep. And also sign some ballast that they will have to expose.
I say this with a good amount of respect for sports journalists generally, but don’t trust a journalist’s prediction of what a GM will do or will be able to do outside of a given season. The same is true for drafts outside of the top five, and playoff predictions after the first bracket. They’re just writing pieces for the clicks.
I think one of the overlooked moves for this team is another buy low opportunity. Not sure I see the piece to do another Brass/Zib swap, but a guy that caught my eye is Oliver Bjorkstrand in Columbus. He's a skilled RW with a great shot who isn't producing much this year and hasn't really found a role so far. The Jackets have Atkinson and Anderson on the right-side already and he's signed to a reasonable AAV for 3 more years.
Picked the corner for a goal tonight against the Nucks. Seems like a guy who just doesn't really have a consistent spot and the Jackets might prefer more of a tw0-way option for versatility. Of course they'd love to upgrade at center but I can't see Hayes signing up for a multi-year deal in Columbus and he doesn't return that kind of player as a rental.
He has a really, really nice supporting cast around him, so it’s not too surprising.
He's got a lot of skill. Absolutely torched the Dub in his last year there. I don't see Hayes working out for them at all, nor do I really see the Rangers and Jackets making trades with one another.
CLB is an interesting team, they are imo... a couple of developmental roles, and acquisitions away from being a top tier contender. A 2nd unit center, or Wennberg finding consistency again would help them. Werenski is rather disengaged on the defensive side of things, but if he becomes more active and complete then their D is a no 6 slot away. It's a strange line-up past the top line with their forwards. They've got the mix for an identity line, and the makings of a really solid 4th line, but I'm not sure all of the pieces fit cohesively. Their farm team is favoring veterans more, but they've got some very skilled young players down there who aren't crushing it.
They also have a very solid defenseman who hasn't seen a lot of time this year in Kukan. Harrington's getting more ice-time. So there are a few questionable personnel decisions being made.
One might say it's just Torts being Torts, but they've played very well, with some absolute no-shows.
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