Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII - Want some, get some

[RGY]

also, Nieves demoted

Very surprised Georgiev is playing back to back. Especially after the workload he received last night. Guy has to be at least a little sore / tired.

Don’t agree.

Edit: did not realize Hank has been ill

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm good with 4 or 5 years at that but do you think that will get it done if he has 50 points? I'd love to see them try him on the off side and see if he can replace someone in our top 4.

Based on some of the responses maybe I'm too low. He still has defensive snafu's so I'm curious as to what he would be looking for.

Also, has anyone else noticed that DeAngelo really struggles when the teams breakout struggles? He absolutely abhors just rimming the puck around the boards or the off the glass and out play so when the forwards are not in their designated spots he often has trouble which leads to turnovers. I am not sure I would classify it as 'bad' play, just that he doesn't seem to consider the 'safe' play as he's always looking for that opportunity to spring an offensive rush. Take last night as an example. The forwards were flying the zone WAY too early and we saw a few times where he had some bad turnovers. The safe play would have been off the boards and out but he doesn't seem to weigh that as an option. This same trait is the reason why he is so good at pushing the pace and creating offensive chances.

As @Edge has said, it's probably time to accept that and try to mitigate that with a partner who can support that type of player.

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

Very surprised Georgiev is playing back to back. Especially after the workload he received last night. Guy has to be at least a little sore / tired.

Don’t agree.

There were reports last night that Hank was "under the weather."

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Very surprised Georgiev is playing back to back. Especially after the workload he received last night. Guy has to be at least a little sore / tired.

Don’t agree.

Apparently Lundqvist was sick last night and an emergency backup was on call. Considering earlier in the week Quinn said that Hank was playing tonight I have to think Georgiev is only playing tonight because of Lundqvist being sick.

 

[Avery16]

Very surprised Georgiev is playing back to back. Especially after the workload he received last night. Guy has to be at least a little sore / tired.

Don’t agree.

Also have to figure Quinn wants to reward strong performances, plus Hank was ill. Maybe Shesty could’ve got a look. I’m assuming Quinn asked Georgiev if he felt up to it.

 

[RGY]

Also have to figure Quinn wants to reward strong performances, plus Hank was ill. Maybe Shesty could’ve got a look.

Definitely think Shesty at home wouldve been a good option. Let Hank stay home and rest before they fly to Vegas. Hartford is starting the first of a back to back in Springfield, MA tonight. Could’ve been done.

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

Sounds like Hank might have the infamous never ending Rongo Flu.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can Staal get the Rongo flu?

 

[E-Train]

Yea, we never do that...

I wouldn’t know. I don’t mess with other fan bases on their boards.

 

[RGY]

 

[Ola]

Signing UFAs is the cost of doing business in this league. Every team has older players with problematic contracts. You're either signing your own soon-to-be UFA or some other teams. Guys in their late 20s come up for new deals every damn year. That's life.

Hey that is my line!

 

[cheech70]

I didn’t bring up Panarin. Pawnee Rangers got mad about not liking my post about Kreider so he decided throw Panarin in my face as a way of saying I was wrong about Panarin so I am wrong about Kreider too. No victory laps in the first year of a seven year contract. Let us see how it plays out. The other guy said don’t worry Panarin because he will be a productive player for almost the entire term of the contract because he has few NA miles on him. We heard the same nonsense about Zuccarello on this board and how the Rangers should re-sign him long term in the summer of 2018 before he becomes a free agent. Same exact argument with the lack of NA miles on his resume.

Let us see how Panarin performs throughout the term of the contract and just how successful the Rangers are in the next 5-7 years.

Pawnee Rangers got mad about Kreider. That started the whole thing. You’re a Kreider fan boy too. The Rangers need to move on from him.

Your being stubborn about Breadman.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Anthony DeAngelo, for all of his warts, is an offensive difference-maker at the NHL level. He's more effective, consistently, at driving offense than most of the forwards on this team.

Kreider and Strome should be dealt a this deadline. There will be at least (1) NHL player coming back in those deals. Hopefully by then, Lias will be up full time as well.

DeAngelo should be re-signed long-term at $4.5-$5m per season.

so, this is interesting. i happen to agree with your take but im concerned.

with trouba already making bank and playing a ton and now fox being so good so fast, im just not sure ADA has the top 4 spot and the minutes to warrant that type of commitment long term.

if fox weren't here, or trouba or if tony were a lefty, not question i re-up the kid at 5 per for 6 yrs.

problem is, he may price himself off the team if he ends up with 60 points.

this one will be a difficult decision.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I didn’t bring up Panarin. Pawnee Rangers got mad about not liking my post about Kreider so he decided throw Panarin in my face as a way of saying I was wrong about Panarin so I am wrong about Kreider too. No victory laps in the first year of a seven year contract. Let us see how it plays out. The other guy said don’t worry Panarin because he will be a productive player for almost the entire term of the contract because he has few NA miles on him. We heard the same nonsense about Zuccarello on this board and how the Rangers should re-sign him long term in the summer of 2018 before he becomes a free agent. Same exact argument with the lack of NA miles on his resume.

Let us see how Panarin performs throughout the term of the contract and just how successful the Rangers are in the next 5-7 years.

Pawnee Rangers got mad about Kreider. That started the whole thing. You’re a Kreider fan boy too. The Rangers need to move on from him.

This doesn't get at your bigger point, but Zuccarello started poorly and has really turned around. 1 point in his first 7GP. 15 in 19 since and 9 in the last 9. All for a pace of about 55 points -- ie, his usual contibutions.

 

[True Blue]

Most likely Rangers will not win a Stanley Cup the next seven years, with or without Panarin. But we should not underestimate Panarins role in developing the young players. It is likely much more fun for them to play on a team with Panarin than another young player. So yes, the first year of his contract could easily be as important as his third or fourth. To help along the rebuild.

I think the point is are they contending for the Cup within that time frame? If they are AND Panarin is close to the player he is today, then the signing will have proved to be a good one. If they are not, and he deteriorates and is eating up a lot of cap space, then it will not look as good.

 

[True Blue]

problem is, he may price himself off the team if he ends up with 60 points.

If he gets those numbers, I think it is very likely that he prices himself in and it is another name that prices themselves out.

 

[GAGLine]

so, this is interesting. i happen to agree with your take but im concerned.

with trouba already making bank and playing a ton and now fox being so good so fast, im just not sure ADA has the top 4 spot and the minutes to warrant that type of commitment long term.

if fox weren't here, or trouba or if tony were a lefty, not question i re-up the kid at 5 per for 6 yrs.

problem is, he may price himself off the team if he ends up with 60 points.

this one will be a difficult decision.

We could sign him and then trade him in a year or two as other players show that they can carry the load. Fox will need a new contract in 2 years. Lundkvist should be here by then and hopefully ready to make the team. Keane might make the team.

We shouldn't be in any rush to trade him, but once the roster sorts itself out a bit more and we truly know where we are strong and where we need help, I could see a move being made.

It's the same thing with Georgiev. He probably will get traded at some point, but we shouldn't be in a rush to do so. Hang onto him as long as possible and let him continue to build up value. Find a way to get Shesty some games at the NHL level, so we can feel more confident in moving Georgiev, if and when it comes to that. Or if Shesty doesn't show it at this level, then we can hang onto Georgiev. I would love to have Shesty and Georgiev as 1a/1b.

 

[NYR Viper]

so, this is interesting. i happen to agree with your take but im concerned.

with trouba already making bank and playing a ton and now fox being so good so fast, im just not sure ADA has the top 4 spot and the minutes to warrant that type of commitment long term.

if fox weren't here, or trouba or if tony were a lefty, not question i re-up the kid at 5 per for 6 yrs.

problem is, he may price himself off the team if he ends up with 60 points.

this one will be a difficult decision.

Fox is on his ELC for (2) more seasons. Sign ADA long-term and in 2 years re-assess. For all we know, the Canadian Dollar and the expansion team may push the cap up so far that the investment on the right side, even is Fox gets $5m per season is reasonable.

Also, if the left side is 'cheap' in comparison it doesn't matter how much the right side costs if they are all difference makers.

Basically I'd sign him long term and then in a few years if a trade must be made, make it then.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Going in with an emergency backup and a guy who just faced 50 shots?

 

[RGY]

Going in with an emergency backup and a guy who just faced 50 shots?

They should sneak Igor into the building and yell SURPRISE when they take the ice for warmups

 

[offdacrossbar]

If he gets those numbers, I think it is very likely that he prices himself in and it is another name that prices themselves out.

like who ?

i am not down on trouba at all. big fan. minutes eater, 200 ft dman who plays an overall sound game.

fox is a future allstar who plays like a veteran. kids legit.

ADA is a gifted offensive play driving puck possessing 5th forward who can run a PP1 and get you 60.

we have 3 great young dmen who compliment each other pretty well.

that left side tho. thats the problem.

staal. skjei. lindy. hajek. we need an UPGRADE here.

 

[NYR Viper]

like who ?

i am not down on trouba at all. big fan. minutes eater, 200 ft dman who plays an overall sound game.

fox is a future allstar who plays like a veteran. kids legit.

ADA is a gifted offensive play driving puck possessing 5th forward who can run a PP1 and get you 60.

we have 3 great young dmen who compliment each other pretty well.

that left side tho. thats the problem.

staal. skjei. lindy. hajek. we need an UPGRADE here.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you, but I don't think they need to force a deal. Sign him long-term and see what occurs. There isn't a rush to make any sort of deal as Fox is still on his ELC. So are Lindgren and Hajek.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I'm good with 4 or 5 years at that but do you think that will get it done if he has 50 points? I'd love to see them try him on the off side and see if he can replace someone in our top 4.

He's a mediocre at best defender on the right side. I want no part of putting him on his off side.

 

[True Blue]

like who ?

Like a forward possibly. Maybe none of Kreider, Strome or Buchnevich come back. This is just spitballing. A lot depends on progress made by prospects and frankly what DeAngelo does for the rest of the year.

that left side tho. thats the problem.

staal. skjei. lindy. hajek. we need an UPGRADE here.

Staal's time on the team is not meant for long term. Lindgren I believe is going to be quite capable of holding down a spot on the 2nd pair. Hajek is developing and if he does not improve, then his time on the team might move on from him. You have other prospects in the pipeline. Skeji has value. The situation is not as dire. Plus there will be other options available in the market and via trade.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't think anyone would disagree with you, but I don't think they need to force a deal. Sign him long-term and see what occurs. There isn't a rush to make any sort of deal as Fox is still on his ELC. So are Lindgren and Hajek.

We also have to keep in mind the expansion draft. Fox is exempt, but all of Trouba, ADA, Skjei, Hajek and Lindgren are eligible, and we can only protect 3 of them (one has to be Trouba due to the NMC). It's very possible that we'll see one of those other 4 traded by next summer, unless the plan is to just expose 2 of them and let Seattle choose which one they want.