Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII - Want some, get some

[RGY]

Well I definitely don’t think Lindhom’s allure is in his offensive game, but I tend to agree. I wouldn’t target Lindholm with the price it would take to get him. Krug is a UFA this summer. He’ll probably get a fat raise, but that’s more in line with someone I’d pair with Trouba and wouldn’t cost us assets. I’d also look at a guy like Martinez from LA. But, I don’t think we’re looking at offensive production so much as a 20+ minute plus defensive player. Between ADA, Fox and Trouba I think we have good offensive blue liners. Adding offensive punch on the back end doesn’t hurt, but I think we need guys who can defend at a high level and simply move the puck up ice to let our offense dive guys take over.

But I think Skjei can eat the minutes for the time being as the kids develop on the left side. Over time Lindgren and Hajek slowly get more minutes to work there way up and hopefully displace Skjei. As opposing to trading assets like Buchnevich or Miller for a position we have an abundance of, even if that abundance is not all at the NHL level yet. You can only fill 3 LD spots.

I would rather go for a veteran that will cost less in assets if we are concerned with a D that can play 20+ minutes. Or endure the suffering for this year as you said, move Skjei in the offseason and sign Krug or someone of that nature. I am not too keen on giving Krug a contract.

I also think if we are moving Buchnevich and possibly Miller (which I really do not see us doing) then we do it for a Center with a high ceiling and his on the rise. A hockey trade.

 

[bobbop]

Not sure who else ventures onto the main boards (don't) but Winnipeg fans continue to be some of the absolute worst in hockey (oh my surprise, Canadian fans being insufferable!); one of the most consistent fanbases with not just being wrong, but also being staunch about it

When the Trouba trade was percolating, I went to the Winnipeg boards quite often and found them to be open and very even handed. I learned a lot about Trouba and Lemieux over there.

 

[E-Train]

I remember the one WPG poster that would come here and lecture everyone that Skjei and Buch were not enough for Trouba. Then would get mad when the responses were “GTFO”.

 

[Avery16]

FWIW, and as someone who regularly advocates trading Skjei, he was pretty defensively sound tonight. I don't think Lindholm is much better than Skjei. Theyre the same age and Lindholm isn't signed to term. He will be more expensive than Skjei in his next contract. I think any Skjei for Lindholm talk is just the grass being greener, it doesn't make too much sense beyond that. Move Skjei for futures to the highest bidder. Play Hajek/Lindgren/Rykov next season.

 

[Savant]

Wouldn't the Ducks rather trade Fowler instead of Lindholm?

Fowler just signed an extension and in under contract until Summer 2026. Lindholm is up Summer 2022.

Why are we trading for Lindholm? I just don’t understand the thinking here. Especially when we are trading multiple pieces* for a 30 point defenseman who was at a time a blue chip prospect but now is 25 years old and has seemingly settled on what he will be unless some see he his game taking a significant jump that we would be willing to trade one player outproducing him let alone a 2nd asset whether it be Miller or, god help us, a 1st round pick....

We have a stockpile of LD in the system. Two are at the NHL level and there are more on the cusp/on the way.

If you want to move Buchnevich who is seemingly hitting his stride, then it should be for a young NHL center on the rise as well. Or as part of a package for a better center/winger.

Sorry, just don’t see the obsession with Lindholm.

Edit: Skjei and Lindholm, on the surface, are extremely similar. Same age. About the same average of point production. Both LD. Similar cap hit, with Skjei locked up 2-3 years longer. What is the infatuation? To me this is a case of the grass is greener. Skjei gets a lot of crap for his inconsistent play around here, but who is to say the same won’t happen to Lindholm once he is in this defensive system?

Lindholm has proven to be a 1LHD on a playoff caliber team. Skjei can’t say that. You aren’t getting Lindholm for his offense. You are getting him to stabilize the defense. He has proven to be a better player than Skjei. The Ranger have D in their system but they don’t have any 1LHD in there system unless everything breaks right for Miller. Lindholm we know is a 1LHD and he is in his prime. This isn’t like trading for a rental EK65. Can you show me a statistic that shows Skjei is comparable to Lindholm?

Buchnevich you can move for a 1D. You will get more value out of him trying to move him for a D than a C. I’d prefer not to move him but he wouldn’t be an untouchable to me to get a 1D in his prime.

Lindholm is the kind of young, veteran player that the team needs. You don’t want to age the team too much but they need stability back there.

 

[Savant]

FWIW, and as someone who regularly advocates trading Skjei, he was pretty defensively sound tonight. I don't think Lindholm is much better than Skjei. Theyre the same age and Lindholm isn't signed to term. He will be more expensive than Skjei in his next contract. I think any Skjei for Lindholm talk is just the grass being greener, it doesn't make too much sense beyond that. Move Skjei for futures to the highest bidder. Play Hajek/Lindgren/Rykov next season.

I don’t agree with any of this except Lindholm will make more money than Skjei. He should because he is a better player. That being said you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Edge]

Cassels had a pretty decent NHL career. 1000+ games 700+ points.

He was good, second line, playmaking center - though typically not on top teams.

 

[Barnaby]

Both good and bad, Mittelstadt reminds me of Andrew Cassels.

Haven’t heard that name in awhile. I was actually a fan as a kid. I wouldn’t mind moving CK for a young Cassels, although I do have concerns about Mittelstadt.

 

[Alluckks]

When the Trouba trade was percolating, I went to the Winnipeg boards quite often and found them to be open and very even handed. I learned a lot about Trouba and Lemieux over there.

Maybe just the main board posters then, it was just a quick take from a single thread, I hardly venture to NHL chat or other teams boards

 

[Barnaby]

I think Miller/Lindgren are going to be 2/3 of our future LD. I think a Lindgren could be similar to a left handed Girardi or Mike Sauer. I really didn’t think Lindgren was going to be a player here, but I’ve done a complete 180. Hopefully they can draft/trade for a true 1LD at some point - no targets in mind. I’m really happy with Kakko... but wonder if we don’t regret grabbing Byram in the future. I’d lock the below up early for term if at all possible.

? / Trouba
Miller / Fox
Lindgren / ADA or Lundkvist

 

[Waivers]

Shut down defender who can tag team with Trouba and also eat a ton of minutes. All over that deal for Lindholm if it can happen. Skjei is not a 1LD.

 

[Ola]

Georgiev playing well = KaaaaaaaaaaaChiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnng

 

[Ola]

Shut down defender who can tag team with Trouba and also eat a ton of minutes. All over that deal for Lindholm if it can happen. Skjei is not a 1LD.

Me too, but I just think that he is ‘too good’ to trade for anyone. I think Ana realizes his worth.

 

[QJL]

I think Miller/Lindgren are going to be 2/3 of our future LD. I think a Lindgren could be similar to a left handed Girardi or Mike Sauer. I really didn’t think Lindgren was going to be a player here, but I’ve done a complete 180. Hopefully they can draft/trade for a true 1LD at some point - no targets in mind. I’m really happy with Kakko... but wonder if we don’t regret grabbing Byram in the future. I’d lock the below up early for term if at all possible.

? / Trouba
Miller / Fox
Lindgren / ADA or Lundkvist

I like to imagine that ? is a Quinn Hughes type. I’ll settle for Luke Hughes.

 

[Barnaby]

I like to imagine that ? is a Quinn Hughes type. I’ll settle for Luke Hughes.

I’d like to imagine it’s Paul Coffey or Bobby Orr but let’s keep things in perspective

 

[Ola]

Things change fast in the standings, all of a sudden Minnesota is in a PO spot after playing really well and winning 5 straight.

They could be an interesting tradepartner. And with Eric Staal and Mikko Koivu being like 35 and 36 years old -- if there is any team out there that are in need of a center for the future its them. Could be the perfect trading partner with Strome.

At the draft, Strome and a 3rd for Joel Eriksson Ek and Minny's 1st. JEE is a good Kreider replacement. He is used as a center for Minny due to their extreme long-term need. But he really isn't a center. Strong along the boards, great character and good infront of the net, he can also just like Kreider distribute the puck and play with talented players.

I think JEE could break out offensively if he is moved from center to a wing position with better players. He gets caught too deep in the ice, don't even remotely have the wheels and skill to drive the puck up ice at the NHL level.

 

[Barnaby]

I remember the one WPG poster that would come here and lecture everyone that Skjei and Buch were not enough for Trouba. Then would get mad when the responses were “GTFO”.

Yea, we never do that...

 

[Savant]

Me too, but I just think that he is ‘too good’ to trade for anyone. I think Ana realizes his worth.

Well yeah. That’s the idea. You trade for good players. Even if he costs a lot Rangers have the assets to make a move.

 

[Gardner McKay]

When the Trouba trade was percolating, I went to the Winnipeg boards quite often and found them to be open and very even handed. I learned a lot about Trouba and Lemieux over there.

Yeah. If you go by those on the main boards, that generally isn't a good representation of a fan base. They are usually the most vocal and the most... interesting. Go to a team board and it is a whole different discussion.

 

[RGY]

Fowler just signed an extension and in under contract until Summer 2026. Lindholm is up Summer 2022.

Lindholm has proven to be a 1LHD on a playoff caliber team. Skjei can’t say that. You aren’t getting Lindholm for his offense. You are getting him to stabilize the defense. He has proven to be a better player than Skjei. The Ranger have D in their system but they don’t have any 1LHD in there system unless everything breaks right for Miller. Lindholm we know is a 1LHD and he is in his prime. This isn’t like trading for a rental EK65. Can you show me a statistic that shows Skjei is comparable to Lindholm?

Buchnevich you can move for a 1D. You will get more value out of him trying to move him for a D than a C. I’d prefer not to move him but he wouldn’t be an untouchable to me to get a 1D in his prime.

Lindholm is the kind of young, veteran player that the team needs. You don’t want to age the team too much but they need stability back there.

Listen I am not completely against the idea of Lindholm. I get the reasoning. I know he is a better defenseman in his own end than Skjei. I just do not believe we should be trading much more than Buchnevich for him. Because Buch himself is starting to breakout and has a lot of value for his age and cap hit as well.

 

[RangerBoy]

All of this is why it is an Apples and Oranges argument if he is seriously going to try and compare Zucc to Panarin.

Grasping at straws at this point. Still campaigning about the Panarin signing I see. Then also tried to use a very small group of 2-3 people that would consider trading Trouba before his NMC to represent a general consensus.

I had respected RB’s opinion a number of years ago, always on top of the news, but he will go to such great lengths to drive his views home as truth and fact when they just aren’t. They are all theoretical.

I don’t care if you don’t respect me. I am not going to lose any sleep over it.

I didn’t bring up Panarin. Someone else brought it up in a response to me when the topic was Kreider. No victory laps in the first season of a seven year contract for a player who will play the majority of the contract in his 30’s. Let us how that contract works out for the Rangers.

 

[RGY]

I don’t care if you don’t respect me. I am not going to lose any sleep over it.

I didn’t bring up Panarin. Someone else brought it up in a response to me when the topic was Kreider. No victory laps in the first season of a seven year contract for a player who will play the majority of the contract in his 30’s. Let us how that contract works out for the Rangers.

Then do just that. Because you have thrown a dart at this signing every chance that presents itself. Let’s see how it plays out because he is here and isn’t going anywhere.

 

[GAGLine]

Yeah. If you go by those on the main boards, that generally isn't a good representation of a fan base. They are usually the most vocal and the most... interesting. Go to a team board and it is a whole different discussion.

Discussions also have a tendency to change dramatically once a player puts on a different jersey.

 

[Savant]

Listen I am not completely against the idea of Lindholm. I get the reasoning. I know he is a better defenseman in his own end than Skjei. I just do not believe we should be trading much more than Buchnevich for him. Because Buch himself is starting to breakout and has a lot of value for his age and cap hit as well.

Sure. And I wouldn’t deal Buchnevich just for the hell of it. But if you need him as a centerpiece for a 1D, you kind of have to do it.

 

[RangerBoy]

You are not going to be satisfied until we have the average age of a NCAA team.

The Rangers were the ones who started the rebuild. The Rangers have to see it through. They can’t go back to the short cut days. If you had your way, the Rangers would not have had any substantial rebuild. You’re always worry about the resale value of your season tickets and the effect of a bad team has on ticket resale value.

Kreider isn’t worth whatever he gets in his next contract. Power forwards signed to long term contracts are bad contracts. Okposo. Neal. Ladd Benn. JVR. Pacioretty. Lucic. They don’t age well.

Kreider has been invisible. I hope he wakes up for the Rangers sake because they need to get a 1st round pick as part of the deal.