Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII - Want some, get some

[QJL]

If I am Gorton, I am dangling Georgiev over Dubas for a hefty price.

Brian Burke was just on Sirius this morning saying something has to give. Dubas is going to have to make a move soon. The Leafs are too feast or famine (much like the Rangers style) but with a ton of money invested up front. Freddy Andersson cannot play the whole season, he’ll be done come playoff time.

Georgiev is a great match for them. Still young. They are tight up against the cap and he makes minimal money. He has played great in front of a bad defense so the transition to Toronto’s system would be a familiar one.

Georgiev and Buchnevich

for

Nylander and 2020/2021 1st

Id be surprised if Toronto traded Nylander for that package without the 1st. No chance with the 1st.

Has Buchnevich exceed Nylander in value? Not yet.

Is Georgiev going to snag a 1st? No way.

 

[JimmyG89]

If it 100% Georgiev tonight, they should just call up Huska to backup. Let Shestyerkin play tonight and have Huska travel back and forth.

 

[Kocur Dill]

so, this is interesting. i happen to agree with your take but im concerned.

with trouba already making bank and playing a ton and now fox being so good so fast, im just not sure ADA has the top 4 spot and the minutes to warrant that type of commitment long term.

if fox weren't here, or trouba or if tony were a lefty, not question i re-up the kid at 5 per for 6 yrs.

problem is, he may price himself off the team if he ends up with 60 points.

this one will be a difficult decision.

Tony seems to love sneaking in on the left pipe and I've always loved a RHS Defenceman on the left of a PP unit, plus he is a shiftier skater than Trouba so bonus on utilizing a RHS from the left point across the blue line into the hash marks able to pick corners and Goalie to read.

I see Tony as a very useful player if he could find a niche on the left not only on a Fox lead PP unit, but a Trouba Lead PP unit as well, depending on the weakness of the other team. Think Randy Velarde switch hitting up and down the line-up and around the infield during the 90's

 

[DanielBrassard]

We also have to keep in mind the expansion draft. Fox is exempt, but all of Trouba, ADA, Skjei, Hajek and Lindgren are eligible, and we can only protect 3 of them (one has to be Trouba due to the NMC). It's very possible that we'll see one of those other 4 traded by next summer, unless the plan is to just expose 2 of them and let Seattle choose which one they want.

Not too concerned about losing any of Lindgren, Hajek, or even Skjei in expansion to be honest. With the amount of LHD we have in the pipeline along with the fact that none of them are likely going to be difference makers at any point we would be more fortunate than most teams to lose 3rd pairing defenseman or in Skjei's case someone who's probably a bit overpaid.

 

[Fireonk]

We also have to keep in mind the expansion draft. Fox is exempt, but all of Trouba, ADA, Skjei, Hajek and Lindgren are eligible, and we can only protect 3 of them (one has to be Trouba due to the NMC). It's very possible that we'll see one of those other 4 traded by next summer, unless the plan is to just expose 2 of them and let Seattle choose which one they want.

I would be surprised if any teams are interested in trading for Hajek and Lindgren right now knowing that they would also have to then use a spot themselves on their protection list. Even for Skjei I have my doubts.

 

[Trxjw]

I'm a big fan of both Lindgren and Hajek. However, I don't see either guy as a crippling loss in expansion if it came to that. Skjei as well.

Until Keane, Lundkvist or whomever is forcing this team to make a decision, I think they need to keep Tony in the fold. Don't trade him unless you get the exact player(s) you want from the other team.

 

[Avery16]

If it 100% Georgiev tonight, they should just call up Huska to backup. Let Shestyerkin play tonight and have Huska travel back and forth.

Looking forward to reading the feature article about the 50-year-old beer league goaltender we have on emergency standby and his local Def Leppard cover band

 

[True Blue]

I see Tony as a very useful player if he could find a niche on the left not only on a Fox lead PP unit, but a Trouba Lead PP unit as well, depending on the weakness of the other team. Think Randy Velarde switch hitting up and down the line-up and around the infield during the 90's

Very few players have made the switch from RD to LD. And certainly not on a game to game basis.

 

[offdacrossbar]

im still intrigued by yegor rykov.

he brings some size 6'3 200 + and russian snarl with him. by all accounts, hes a solid physical dman.

hes buddies with Georgie buch and shesty and im bummed he hasnt been able to play yet.

im hoping he earns a looksee cup a coffee soon

 

[True Blue]

I would be surprised if any teams are interested in trading for Hajek and Lindgren right now knowing that they would also have to then use a spot themselves on their protection list. Even for Skjei I have my doubts.

Why are we in a hurry to trade Lindgren of all people? He has basically been the steadiest defenseman on the team since he got in the lineup.

 

[Rongomania]

I'm a big fan of both Lindgren and Hajek. However, I don't see either guy as a crippling loss in expansion if it came to that. Skjei as well.

Until Keane, Lundkvist or whomever is forcing this team to make a decision, I think they need to keep Tony in the fold. Don't trade him unless you get the exact player(s) you want from the other team.

Lindgren has proven to be pretty damn good. I don't mind Skjei eating those mins (as others have mentioned) until Lindgren is ready to take over 1LD and then let Skjei be unprotected. Lindgrens huge plus is also that it looks like he won't be piling up the points so he should likely cost less long term, yeah?

 

[True Blue]

im still intrigued by yegor rykov.

he brings some size 6'3 200 + and russian snarl with him. by all accounts, hes a solid physical dman.

I am as well, but if he is physical that is news to me. I did not pick that up anywhere. Am I missing something?

 

[RGY]

Id be surprised if Toronto traded Nylander for that package without the 1st. No chance with the 1st.

Has Buchnevich exceed Nylander in value? Not yet.

Is Georgiev going to snag a 1st? No way.

Georgiev is 23 years old and his career is trending upward. He has a career SV % of .916 and GAA 2.97. Those numbers should improve slightly on a Toronto team that while is poor defensively, does possess the puck more. But the key is Frederik Andersen is 30 years old and GG is 23. They may have their #1 of the future. He is making minimal money with RFA status. The value starts to even out with those factors. Then you add in the desperation for Toronto to stabilize their goaltending when Andersen needs rest with the added cap crunch.

I don’t think its far off. Buchnevich may not produce AS MUCH as Nylander but to be fair their PPG this year are .73 (WN) and .70 (PB). And thats Nylander playing with more talent. Buchnevich’s numbers could rise there all while making less money @ $3.25 for next season with RFA status after that. It would buy TOR more time and breathing room to sort out the cap and roster. $3.75 in savings roughly. Age difference is close as well.

so while you think its a hard no, optics would say otherwise

 

[eco's bones]

Toronto's 1st I'd guess would be in the 20-25 range. Buchnevich and Nylander--I'd give Nylander the edge but it's arguable. I would not move Georgiev for less than a 1st and I'd want more if we were picking at the tail end of the round. He's a proven NHL goalie--IMO one of the best young goalies in the league. I know a lot of people value Shesterkin more but Igor and Alex are the same age and Alex has done more.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindgren has proven to be pretty damn good. I don't mind Skjei eating those mins (as others have mentioned) until Lindgren is ready to take over 1LD and then let Skjei be unprotected. Lindgrens huge plus is also that it looks like he won't be piling up the points so he should likely cost less long term, yeah?

I think it’s a pretty massive leap to assume he will grow into a 1LD.

Personally, I think his current role is what we can expect from him. 4-6 D who can soak minutes, PK and compliment a more talented partner. He’s going to wear a letter for us once some of the dead weight is moved/retires/ltir’d/bought out

 

[bl02]

Why are we in a hurry to trade Lindgren of all people? He has basically been the steadiest defenseman on the team since he got in the lineup.

Agreed I’m in no hurry to trade Lindgren. He brings an element not many players are willing To play with. And not saying he’s gonna be paired with Fox forever but It’s awesome to see two dmen gel like they do

 

[offdacrossbar]

I am as well, but if he is physical that is news to me. I did not pick that up anywhere. Am I missing something?

my understanding is that he a horse who plays a smart, 2 way physical game with both offensive ability and some edge to his d game. skates very well and can log a ton of minutes. he doesnt need to be scott stevens. he just cant be tom poti. i dont think he is.

hes a guy that i think has flown under the radar alot because hes an unknown.

i do know that bobrov was very high on him and felt he had a real chance to make some noise.

 

[Fireonk]

Why are we in a hurry to trade Lindgren of all people? He has basically been the steadiest defenseman on the team since he got in the lineup.

I'm not. I have no interest in trading him and right now my protection list would be him, ADA, and Trouba. I am just saying, in response to the post I originally quoted to, that I also don't see that many teams making a push for an under the radar type defenseman where they would have to give up assets AND use a protection spot on.

 

[Rongomania]

I think it’s a pretty massive leap to assume he will grow into a 1LD.

Personally, I think his current role is what we can expect from him. 4-6 D who can soak minutes, PK and compliment a more talented partner. He’s going to wear a letter for us once some of the dead weight is moved/retires/ltir’d/bought out

I'm sorry I didn't clarify, but that is truly what I meant by calling him a *future 1LD. I did mean it more in the sense you mentioned. I think he'd be a great compliment for Tony or Foxy down the line.

*I also think this team will also continue to roll 1a 1b D pairs and that will look damn good down that line.

 

[Lone Ranger]

so, this is interesting. i happen to agree with your take but im concerned.

with trouba already making bank and playing a ton and now fox being so good so fast, im just not sure ADA has the top 4 spot and the minutes to warrant that type of commitment long term.

if fox weren't here, or trouba or if tony were a lefty, not question i re-up the kid at 5 per for 6 yrs.

problem is, he may price himself off the team if he ends up with 60 points.

this one will be a difficult decision.

Sadly, the only way to keep ADA, at the price he'll probably demand, may involve exploring the market for trading Skjel.

 

[Rongomania]

Sadly, the only way to keep ADA, at the price he'll probably demand, may involve exploring the market for trading Skjel.

Not sad. Tony has been better offensively this year than Brady Skjei could ever dream to be.

 

[duhmetreE]

ADA for forward 2020-2021

 

[True Blue]

Personally, I think his current role is what we can expect from him. 4-6 D who can soak minutes, PK and compliment a more talented partner. He’s going to wear a letter for us once some of the dead weight is moved/retires/ltir’d/bought out

And there is absolutely nothing wrong wit that. And you probably are hitting the nail on the head as far as who he will be. One of the new (and I know some hate this term) glue guys.

 

[True Blue]

my understanding is that he a horse who plays a smart, 2 way physical game with both offensive ability and some edge to his d game. skates very well and can log a ton of minutes. he doesnt need to be scott stevens. he just cant be tom poti. i dont think he is.

hes a guy that i think has flown under the radar alot because hes an unknown.

i do know that bobrov was very high on him and felt he had a real chance to make some noise.

Have not read that, but certainly hope so. Just surprised.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And there is absolutely nothing wrong wit that. And you probably are hitting the nail on the head as far as who he will be. One of the new (and I know some hate this term) glue guys.

He and Lemieux are the 2 guys who fit that mold. Hoping Howden and Andersson can play themselves into that group.

Specifixally Andersson, because I think the player we’re hoping for with him is one of the missing elements for this team.