Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII - Want some, get some

[Fitzy]

Why are people still anti-Buch, he's fantastic even when not putting up points. He's literally top 3 on the team in GAR.

Yeah hes pretty much an ideal 2nd line forward, so long as he isn't asked to do too much.

He's not perfect, buy hopefully that should keep his contract demands reasonable.

Especially with kravtsovs struggles, it would behoove us to keep him around.

 

[kovazub94]

Why are people still anti-Buch, he's fantastic even when not putting up points. He's literally top 3 on the team in GAR.

As well as the proverbial "eye test" if were to WATCH him.

 

[Trxjw]

See, and this is why I'm not sold on him as the principal piece in return. What's his upside? He looks like he's trending toward smallish middle-six player (with concussion concerns). Given the choice, I'd rather the 1st rounder + prospect/player who may bring other dimensions. (e.g. I much prefer the Hayes return (1st + Lemieux) over Jost + a lesser pick.)

I dunno. I look at Jost and see a player that I think checks a lot of boxes for the Rangers. Versatile, high motor, plays all 3 zones, and has great leadership qualities that would likely be very beneficial to a team transitioning to a new era. Throw some high-end skill in the mix and you have a very intriguing young player.

Obviously if the production was there with Jost, we likely aren't having this conversation at all. However, I personally see Jost as a player with a lot of potential upside. I think a lot of folks forget just how talented he is given his slow start in the NHL, but I think a lot of his slow start is due to the fact that he made the leap too soon. Going from the BCHL to the NHL in just over a year is a tall order for any kid. Couple that with him bouncing around the lineup on what was a struggling team, and I don't see a great environment for a player to develop.

 

[LokiDog]

I dunno. I look at Jost and see a player that I think checks a lot of boxes for the Rangers. Versatile, high motor, plays all 3 zones, and has great leadership qualities that would likely be very beneficial to a team transitioning to a new era. Throw some high-end skill in the mix and you have a very intriguing young player.

Obviously if the production was there with Jost, we likely aren't having this conversation at all. However, I personally see Jost as a player with a lot of potential upside. I think a lot of folks forget just how talented he is given his slow start in the NHL, but I think a lot of his slow start is due to the fact that he made the leap too soon. Going from the BCHL to the NHL in just over a year is a tall order for any kid. Couple that with him bouncing around the lineup on what was a struggling team, and I don't see a great environment for a player to develop.

He’s had opportunities with some pretty talented guys though. I’m skeptical that he’d be much better than Howden on this roster and I don’t see him as an ideal third liner.

 

[Edge]

Re: Jost, he is a player whose name came last season, and this summer, and one who I suspect will likely come up again.

Again, all things being equal, I think the Rangers are going to inquire about NHL-players or pro prospects whom they view as having some upside, rather than picks. Whether it works out that way is another matter.

 

[Trxjw]

He’s had opportunities with some pretty talented guys though. I’m skeptical that he’d be much better than Howden on this roster and I don’t see him as an ideal third liner.

Sure, but getting minutes with talented players doesn't equate to a player being ready for the NHL. My contention is that Jost wound up in the NHL far too soon and it's negatively impacted his development. Sometimes if you get to players like that early enough you can right the ship.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'd love to have another 1st in this draft, because it's kinda stacked in the first round

However, I wouldn't be upset if they traded Kreider for Jost+

 

[LeetchisGod]

I'd love to have another 1st in this draft, because it's kinda stacked in the first round

However, I wouldn't be upset if they traded Kreider for Jost+

We seem to do pretty well with late firsts.

 

[JimmyG89]

On the 31 Thoughts podcast, Friedman brought up Arizona needing scoring and mentioned Kreider and the history the franchises have making moves.

Asked if he's gone, said it sounds like it's heading that way.

Also brought up that they'll be in on Hall (as he did in his column).

Have to think Kreider would accept a move to Arizona. Stepan, Raanta, and Grabner are there and the team is in the hunt.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would be fine with ARI 1st and Fischer. Dont want Crouse at all. Garland or Dvorak isnt happening.

Garland alone would be a pretty massive win, dude is a beast.

I’m fine with getting near NHL ready talent in lieu of a 1st.

 

[RGY]

This doesn't make sense to me. You're talking like the Rangers are on the brink of a cup run, not less than 2 years into a rebuild. BOTH teams should prize younger players.

I don't see a match with CBJ, unless it's more of a "hockey trade" position of strength for position of strength move, or a change of scenery for a change of scenery move.

I don’t see adding Jenner or especially Josh Anderson as a move for a cup run. I see it as making this team tougher to play against especially on the 3rd line which slides down someone else to the 4th line.

I am also thinking about a move for either with next year in mind as to when the Rangers start to really push for a playoff spot and be a team that can win a round or two. And if its Josh Anderson the move helps impact the 21-22 season and 22-23 seasons as well.

At some point the organization will shift from stockpiling draft picks and prospects to adding pieces that fit the puzzle to be a successful organization for years to come. Making the team diverse. Right now it is not diverse enough. And I think that point of transition is sooner than most think or would like to believe.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

FWIW, I think Jenner would be a Much better investment than Kreider.

not comparing them as players, but For ROI purposes.

 

[duhmetreE]

Would Philly make a decent trade partner for anything we have?

I'd like Frost or Farabee

 

[Alluckks]

Not sure who else ventures onto the main boards (don't) but Winnipeg fans continue to be some of the absolute worst in hockey (oh my surprise, Canadian fans being insufferable!); one of the most consistent fanbases with not just being wrong, but also being staunch about it

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don’t see adding Jenner or especially Josh Anderson as a move for a cup run. I see it as making this team tougher to play against especially on the 3rd line which slides down someone else to the 4th line.

I am also thinking about a move for either with next year in mind as to when the Rangers start to really push for a playoff spot and be a team that can win a round or two. And if its Josh Anderson the move helps impact the 21-22 season and 22-23 seasons as well.

At some point the organization will shift from stockpiling draft picks and prospects to adding pieces that fit the puzzle to be a successful organization for years to come. Making the team diverse. Right now it is not diverse enough. And I think that point of transition is sooner than most think or would like to believe.

Oh, I suppose I can understand it from the Rangers perspective to a certain extent – though I don't think they're yet at the point where they should be selling prospects/picks until they have a better sense of who's developing into what – but why would Columbus make either move?

They should be looking to do what the Rangers have done over the last 1.5 years, and focus on shipping out guys like Atkinson, Nyqvist, and Foligno for youth/picks, while holding on to guys like Jenner and Anderson.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We didn't miss on him. We traded him for one of the best offensive defenseman in the league. Other teams gave up on him for nothing.

Well the fact we drafted him for a reason, saw his potential at that point and then never attempted to acquire him when he was just a contract away means we missed on him twice. He was worth giving another shot, and having scouted him before we probably should have given him another chance. He really looks good in Ottawa.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not sure who else ventures onto the main boards (don't) but Winnipeg fans continue to be some of the absolute worst in hockey (oh my surprise, Canadian fans being insufferable!); one of the most consistent fanbases with not just being wrong, but also being staunch about it

You mean like this board too? Every hockey forum no matter what team is the same. Most other forums consider our page in the top 3 worst with Toronto and Montreal.

 

[SA16]

Well the fact we drafted him for a reason, saw his potential at that point and then never attempted to acquire him when he was just a contract away means we missed on him twice. He was worth giving another shot, and having scouted him before we probably should have given him another chance. He really looks good in Ottawa.

I don't know how us drafting him in 2013 has any bearing on us potentially signing him as a FA before 2019 after a string of disappointing seasons.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't know how us drafting him in 2013 has any bearing on us potentially signing him as a FA before 2019 after a string of disappointing seasons.

We know his skill level and potential. It was a gamble we should have been able to make, cheap contract, know the player, rebuilding team, seems pretty low risk.

 

[SA16]

We know his skill level and potential. It was a gamble we should have been able to make, cheap contract, know the player, rebuilding team, seems pretty low risk.

We do? It's a different GM and Coach than were in place when he was drafted.

 

[Alluckks]

You mean like this board too? Every hockey forum no matter what team is the same. Most other forums consider our page in the top 3 worst with Toronto and Montreal.

I make good use of the ignore feature

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

You mean like this board too? Every hockey forum no matter what team is the same. Most other forums consider our page in the top 3 worst with Toronto and Montreal.

I could definitely see that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We do? It's a different GM and Coach than were in place when he was drafted.

Sather is still here in some capacity,a lot of the same scouting staff is here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A source told me today that the Sabres like Kreider but with Olofson and Skinner on the left side they have more need at RW. I wonder if that might be why Kreider has been playing the right side lately to showcase he can play there? Maybe?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

A source told me today that the Sabres like Kreider but with Olofson and Skinner on the left side they have more need at RW. I wonder if that might be why Kreider has been playing the right side lately to showcase he can play there? Maybe?

I'm usually completely skeptical of "showcasing" in hockey, but I'm so nonplussed by playing Kreider on his off-side, I'm willing to credit this.