Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII - Want some, get some

[Trxjw]

That's the DD Gorton's team has to do: find a team willing to trade and identify - among assets they're willing to part with - these that would be the most useful. These "apparent" good assets are not something that other teams are willing to part with themselves, and one of the reasons why there are so little trades in the NHL.

Which is something I think they've been quite adept at doing over the course of the rebuild. There's been a lot of fixation on landing first round picks or blue chippers, but the added prospects in these deals are the sort of guys that make or break a successful rebuild. Rykov, Lindgren, Howden, Lemieux, and Hajek aren't flashy additions, but they're great building blocks and every single one of them looks like they could play meaningful roles with the team. Even if they top out as 5/6 D or bottom-six players, that's fewer roster players you have to add through other means.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

While I personally am not keen to move Andersson for JP, and would feel disappointed, I wouldn't post a tirade against it either.

Unfortunately, for many of the reasons you stated, I have doubts that it's going to work out here for Andersson.

Seems to me Lias will be moved sooner rather than later. Which is a shame

 

[ETTER DE]

I hope you are correct for the Rangers sake. The Panarin contract is basically a signing bonus contract. $74.5M of the $81.5M is in signing bonus money. Buyout proof contract.

I have heard the lack of NA hockey miles with Zuccarello. He can play until his mid to late 30's at a high level because he began his NA career at 22/23. He looked bad last season at 31. Injuries started to creep in with a groin injury he struggled to return from. He looks worse this season at 32. He is on pace for the worst season of his career. We heard the lack of NA miles on him as a justification for giving him a contract extension. Good luck to Minnesota.

Zuuc is playing less minutes in Minnesota. They roll the lines differently.

 

[Trxjw]

It may just come down to being a bad fit with Lias. Sometimes it's as simple as an organization and a player being bad partners and needing a split. I haven't been able to catch any Pack games since he was sent down but it really does sort of feel like they're heading down the road to separation.

The question with JP is whether or not you can get him to learn enough of a system to be an effective complimentary scorer. He's not going to be a dominant player who drives a line, but if you can get him to understand more of the basics of structure then he's certainly skilled enough to ride shotgun to two legitimate players. Whether we like it or not it sure seems like the Rangers have interest.

 

[Fitzy]

Busts happen.

Let's just all be super thankful that Chytil seems to be figuring his shit out because neither Andersson or Howden are looking like long term staples at this point.

 

[ETTER DE]

Think Kreider was gone the minute they signed Panarin. Cant tie up 18 million on 2 LW spots. Rangers need a center for the future. Mika is most likely gone in a year or two.

 

[Fitzy]

Think Kreider was gone the minute they signed Panarin. Cant tie up 18 million on 2 LW spots. Rangers need a center for the future. Mika is most likely gone in a year or two.

?????

You find the Grimm in his tea leaves or something?

 

[ETTER DE]

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You find the Grimm in his tea leaves or something?

He has 2,5 years left on his contract. Rangers dont resign their UFAs.

 

[Fitzy]

He has 2,5 years left on his contract. Rangers dont resign their UFAs.

Unless RB takes over the team management that's a temporary thing.

Imagine if Boston hadn't resigned Brad Marchand because he was of UFA age.

 

[JimmyG89]

Hard to believe Jost would be available for Kreider. Gorton can ask, but I don't see that as a viable option for a rental player.

 

[Avery16]

I have doubts about Jost's upside.

 

[Avery16]

Unless RB takes over the team management that's a temporary thing.

Imagine if Boston hadn't resigned Brad Marchand because he was of UFA age.

f*** you for making me say something like this, but Marchand > Kreider. Also, Boston is better at managing a salary cap.

 

[Fitzy]

**** you for making me say something like this, but Marchand > Kreider. Also, Boston is better at managing a salary cap.

We're talking about Zibenajad though. He's much closer to Marchand territory than Kreider.

 

[NYR Viper]

**** you for making me say something like this, but Marchand > Kreider. Also, Boston is better at managing a salary cap.

min a couple of years the Rangers will have major cap space with Staal, Smith and Hank gone. Also Girardi, Shattenkirk and Beleskey buyouts gone or inconsequential. They should be ‘clean’ by that point

 

[Ghost of jas]

Seems to me Lias will be moved sooner rather than later. Which is a shame

Only if we don’t get value.

 

[Avery16]

We're talking about Zibenajad though. He's much closer to Marchand territory than Kreider.

My bad! I missed that.

 

[LokiDog]

Hard to believe Jost would be available for Kreider. Gorton can ask, but I don't see that as a viable option for a rental player.

why? Avs fans view Jost as a total bust already and are dying to move him. They don’t think he has anything beyond bottom six potential at this point and he hasn’t shown a whole lot. He is absolutely the type of once highly touted now maybe needs a change of scenery type of player who gets included in a rental deal. Honestly Jost + conditional 1st doesn’t sound far fetched to me at all. Avs have been my second team since the Forsberg years and Jost is not regarded highly.

 

[LokiDog]

Hard to believe Jost would be available for Kreider. Gorton can ask, but I don't see that as a viable option for a rental player.

If all it took to acquire Kreider was Jost Avs fans would be fighting over the honor of driving him to the airport, trust me.

 

[pld459666]

i may be one of few but ill take 89 over 20 all day long. younger cheaper and more talented.

buch still has the potential to have that boom breakthrough.

i think 20 is what he is at this point

Not me.

20 impacts the game when hes not posting points.

89, not so much

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not me.

20 impacts the game when hes not posting points.

89, not so much

20 hasn't been impacting much of all this season.

 

[LokiDog]

I just think the writing on the wall is blatant regarding Kreider. His time here is done. I’d even argue his play reflects the fact that he knows it as well. He was a good soldier, someone we got excited about and at times was great to watch but never really lived up to his hype or reputation. If he wasn’t already a Ranger NO ONE would want to sign him as a UFA. We shouldn’t extend him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If Kreider was having a his usual season I could almost understand the debate. He hasn't though and while it has been a SSS on a bad 5v5 team he just doesn't look the same either.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m watching the Leafs-Avs game and both Friedman and Burke both think Colorado will be heavily after Hall. They don’t believe he lasts until the deadline. That would be a good spot for Hall. Only issue there is that they have no chance of re-signing Hall whereas they probably could re-sign Kreider and fit him long term.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Unless RB takes over the team management that's a temporary thing.

Imagine if Boston hadn't resigned Brad Marchand because he was of UFA age.

It's not hard to believe that the rangers may go their separate ways with Zibanejad near the end of his contract. He's had 5+ concussions in his career and will be 29 at the end of his contract. Giving him a 7 year contract likely will not age well.

If Zibanejad is fine with a 4-5 year contract than that it is more plausible he will stay. But I don't see him doing that. And even then it is a risky contract. And that is assuming he will go injury free between now and the end of his contract.

My guess is that Zibanejad will not be a ranger for his next contract.

 

[LokiDog]

I’m watching the Leafs-Avs game and both Friedman and Burke both think Colorado will be heavily after Hall. They don’t believe he lasts until the deadline. That would be a good spot for Hall. Only issue there is that they have no chance of re-signing Hall whereas they probably could re-sign Kreider and fit him long term.

Honestly, Hall is attractive based on raw talent but nothing about the guy says winner to me. I’d honestly rather spend literally 60% in assets to go after virtually anyone else. Hall is a head case whose gonna sign for big bucks somewhere regardless of his odds of winning. Colorado is better off avoiding.