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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI
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BBKers
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Brendan Smith. He will make the Dallas wedding scene legendary. Also a good guy to get things going at The annual Cattlemans Ball.
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Richard Banger
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Staal Smith Shattenkirk. If they need a defenseman starting with a S we got em covered!
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When I look down the road, let’s say 2 years from now here are the current Rangers Is actually want to see on the roster
ADA (#3 dman)
Chytl (non elite effective winger)
Andersson (2/3c)
Howden (2/3c)
Kreider (see Chytl)
Vesey (3rd line winger)
THATS IT. HOLY SHIT ARE WE THIN ON TALENT. GMJG HAS HIS WORK CUT OUT FOR HIM. As of right now we are missing an elite center, 5 defenders including a top pairing and a goalie. How many are currently in our system?
ADA (#3 dman)
Chytl (non elite effective winger)
Andersson (2/3c)
Howden (2/3c)
Kreider (see Chytl)
Vesey (3rd line winger)
THATS IT. HOLY SHIT ARE WE THIN ON TALENT. GMJG HAS HIS WORK CUT OUT FOR HIM. As of right now we are missing an elite center, 5 defenders including a top pairing and a goalie. How many are currently in our system?
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Ok, now it's time for @bobbop to have his prohpecy come true. Smith/Shattenkirk or maybe even Skjei for goodies + Hanzal,
Machinehead
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Don't get it either. I guess people feel he needs a chance to play?
Leafs top 6 isn't as hard to crack as its being made out to be, having missed Nylander all year.
Hyman is still in their top 6, as is Kapanen who got that spot because he clearly surpassed Leivo.
Leivo plays in the bottom 6 because he's a bottom 6 player.
And the Canucks are going to keep right on Canucking trying to shoehorn yet another bottom 6 player into their top 6 instead acquiring actual top 6 players.
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Is Zibanejad joining the foreign legion? Otherwise he's either on the team or traded for assets. I would imagine the same could be said for Hayes, Zucc and Buchnevich. So that will probably replace some of the talent we lose. You can't just pluck all the names you like off a roster and not think about the transactions that send them to other teams.
It's also weird that Pionk isn't there.
NYR Viper
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Zibabejad
Skjei
I have a hard time seeing all of Strome, Nemstnikov and Fast leaving. I would assume at least (1) of those guys stays.
Hajek
Lindgren
Miller
Keane
Ludqvist
all have the making of solid if not unspectacular depth defensemen.
Kravtsov seems to be trending in the right direction
Meskanen, IMO is a piece that could be a nice 3rd line depth scorer.
Gettinger the team seems to like and has had a good start in Hartford
That's assuming no one else surprises AND the Rangers don't add anyone via UFA, trade or the draft.
I think it is possible that when the Rangers are relevant again, none of the current defensemen are still on the roster. At best, none are top 4.
Mr. Gorton has a lot of work to do on the backend.
Mr. Gorton has a lot of work to do on the backend.
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Tawnos
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You know, the only thing that bothers me about the 2017 draft is that I'm partial towards drafting defensemen early in a rebuild process and forwards later. D take longer to hit their stride.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
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And that last item is always going to be a factor.
This is not a team that is going to solely be built via the draft. Doesn't matter if ever pick pans out and hits close to their ceiling, doesn't matter if the Rangers land a first overall pick. This team will always have a significant focus on free agency and trades.
What do you consider "elite"? Judging by what you are putting down, it seems that being a legit top liner is not considered "elite". In which case, I am asking what does?
Matt Rentfree
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I remember being VERY unhappy when the Rangers took Gropp while Sprong and Kylington were still on the board.
Ghost of jas
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Zibanejbread
Rebuilding.
Ghost of jas
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Whelp, looks like Gorton needs to target Addison in a Zucc trade to the Pens.
kinger8998
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The Rangers are obviously in rough this year and probably next, but there is truly a lot to he excited about for the future (starting 2 years from now)
Let’s start with the draft this year. I expect that our draft pick will be somewhere in the top 10 again, and the Zuccarello trade that is inevitable (sad i wish hed resign as veteran presence and be captain), should yield a second first round pick. Between Boston and Winnipeg and maybe a few others fighting for Hayes, we should be able to garner a 3rd 1st round pick out of that, and I believe that could really yield some good to great prospects.
Forwards
panarin-chytil-kravtsov
kreider-zibanejad-buchnevich
Howden-Andersson-Vesey/Fast
gettinger-FA/prospect-ronning/meskanen
- Kravtsov likely won’t be ready for a first line role in what would prsumably be his 2nd NHL season in 2020-2021, but it’s nice to imagine a line with him, the surpremely talented and likely 55-65 point centre in Chytil and the always dynamic Panarin. others may not be as high on chytil, but i really really like his game...dont see him ever being overly elite, but he should become 1A to zibanejads 1B.
- KZB forever baby!! in this scenario im assuming kreiders extension along with him being names captain kept him here. Zibanejad is a great first like center and gives us an elite second line centre when Chytil surpasses him. I don’t know how i feel about buch’s high end ceiling being elite and if he will ever meet that or not, but he’s a good enough 2nd liner...if he reaches that ceiling of an elite winger, switch him and kravtsov
- Had to choose between howden or lias as the 3rd line C, and i chose andersson. He could ultimately develop into a solid 50 point second liner, but hes been very underwhelming so far. howden has shown flashes of offense this year, but i 100% am firmly entrenched in the thinking that hes a great third liner and nothing more. Vesey has proven this season he does have another level, ultimately he could leave and a hartford product could take this role and it would have little to no effect, or fast could stick around and play here. i assumed rangers would choose between vesey and fast and ultimately choose vesey
- if rangers get to keep both vesey and fast, one could slot down on 4th line, and ronning would move to center. i think rangers are ultimately done with nieves and he’ll move on. this has the look of a really solid 4th line. could sign a veteran centre to play with the yonug kids should fast/vesey not stick around...assuming they would both come in around 2.5/3.5 million on a 3/4 year deal
- I’m going to assume we get a Kreider extension done on the basis its a 5-6 year deal in the 6.5 million ballpark.
- Guessing Buch signs about a 5/6 year deal worth ~4.8-5.5 million. Don’t know if thats unrealistic (let me know) but hes not breaking out this year so i dont see his price going up astronomically.
- Along with the signing of Panarin
this offseason, Kravtsov is the biggest addition to this group
Defense
skjei-deangelo
lindgren-shattenkirk
hajek/rykov-pionk
staal
-ive liked what ive seen from the pairing of skjei and deangelo when theyve been together. i think the rangers jumped the gun with their long term, big money deal they gave to skjei, but i think hes still got a small chance of becoming what mcdonagh was. issue is thats a small chance. it would be great if the rangers could get a #1 D, but they dont grow on trees and even if they get one in next years draft, he wouldnt be ready for 1st pairing minutes this soon.
- i think lindgren, who can skate but has that old school hitting shutdown style could pair very well with shattenkirk. this pairings placement as second pair isnt a prediction on how good i think lindgren will be (i think hes more of a high end 3rd pairing d), but he matches best with shattenkirks game.
- this was a tough one. hajek and rykov both has potential to become a top 4 defenseman in the league, but only one can get the spot. pionk has shown great offensive capabilities and i really hope he can improve his defense and then he could be top 4d potential and this pair could swap with the shattenkirk pair
- staal could be boughtout by this time but im assuming hes still here at a vet.
~ assuming brendan smith is subject to a buyout/bury in minors
- obviously im putting my money on k’andre miller and nils lundkvist are playing in hartford and being ready in the seasons following
- notably missing here is joey keane, who has seen his stock rise considerably since draft day, looks like a possible steal and potential top 4 D.
- this is not even considering sean day as a possible player, who i thin could be a nice skating 3rd pairing d, but we shall see
Goalies
lundqvist
shestyorkin
- what can i say...one more run with the king as the starter because he will still be elite, mark my words. shestyorkin can play 30-40 games to keep hank fresh for the playoff run. then, resign hank and transition is to a platoon and eventually shestyorkin takes over with hank as backup.
- i get nervous about this because i feel like hank can be one of the goalies who can be elite until the day he retires, but i dont want them to stunt shestyorkins growth. this rips me apart bexause hes the future but i feel like hank will still be able to start, and it wont suffice for him to be a backup
- dont know what rangers are going to get for georgiev in the talbot/raanta esque trade hes going to be involved in....just shows how much potential there is for this teams future.
Cap outlook
(~)9.5 - 0.894 - 0.925
(~)6.5 - 5.35 - (~)4.8/5.5
0.863 - 0.894 - (~)2.5/3.5
(~)0.9/1.5 - (~)1.5/2 - (~)0.9/1.5
(~)0.9 ~ (~)0.9
5.25 - (~)2.5/3.5
0.925 - 6.5
0.833/(~)0.925 - (~)2.5/3.5
5.7
8.5
0.925
Total: $71.884M-$77.284M
(one of vesey/fast, including Rykov and Hajek on roster)
Total: $73.484M-$79.884M
(both of vesey/fast, removing $0.9M depth forward, Rykov and Hajek on roster)
The expected cap ceiling is $90M+ so this just shows the potential to get an upgrade on defense (trouba anyone?). Although the Rangers wouldn't be able to go crazy with Chytil, Andersson, Howden...etc needing second contracts.
Let’s start with the draft this year. I expect that our draft pick will be somewhere in the top 10 again, and the Zuccarello trade that is inevitable (sad i wish hed resign as veteran presence and be captain), should yield a second first round pick. Between Boston and Winnipeg and maybe a few others fighting for Hayes, we should be able to garner a 3rd 1st round pick out of that, and I believe that could really yield some good to great prospects.
Forwards
panarin-chytil-kravtsov
kreider-zibanejad-buchnevich
Howden-Andersson-Vesey/Fast
gettinger-FA/prospect-ronning/meskanen
- Kravtsov likely won’t be ready for a first line role in what would prsumably be his 2nd NHL season in 2020-2021, but it’s nice to imagine a line with him, the surpremely talented and likely 55-65 point centre in Chytil and the always dynamic Panarin. others may not be as high on chytil, but i really really like his game...dont see him ever being overly elite, but he should become 1A to zibanejads 1B.
- KZB forever baby!! in this scenario im assuming kreiders extension along with him being names captain kept him here. Zibanejad is a great first like center and gives us an elite second line centre when Chytil surpasses him. I don’t know how i feel about buch’s high end ceiling being elite and if he will ever meet that or not, but he’s a good enough 2nd liner...if he reaches that ceiling of an elite winger, switch him and kravtsov
- Had to choose between howden or lias as the 3rd line C, and i chose andersson. He could ultimately develop into a solid 50 point second liner, but hes been very underwhelming so far. howden has shown flashes of offense this year, but i 100% am firmly entrenched in the thinking that hes a great third liner and nothing more. Vesey has proven this season he does have another level, ultimately he could leave and a hartford product could take this role and it would have little to no effect, or fast could stick around and play here. i assumed rangers would choose between vesey and fast and ultimately choose vesey
- if rangers get to keep both vesey and fast, one could slot down on 4th line, and ronning would move to center. i think rangers are ultimately done with nieves and he’ll move on. this has the look of a really solid 4th line. could sign a veteran centre to play with the yonug kids should fast/vesey not stick around...assuming they would both come in around 2.5/3.5 million on a 3/4 year deal
- I’m going to assume we get a Kreider extension done on the basis its a 5-6 year deal in the 6.5 million ballpark.
- Guessing Buch signs about a 5/6 year deal worth ~4.8-5.5 million. Don’t know if thats unrealistic (let me know) but hes not breaking out this year so i dont see his price going up astronomically.
- Along with the signing of Panarin
this offseason, Kravtsov is the biggest addition to this groupDefense
skjei-deangelo
lindgren-shattenkirk
hajek/rykov-pionk
staal
-ive liked what ive seen from the pairing of skjei and deangelo when theyve been together. i think the rangers jumped the gun with their long term, big money deal they gave to skjei, but i think hes still got a small chance of becoming what mcdonagh was. issue is thats a small chance. it would be great if the rangers could get a #1 D, but they dont grow on trees and even if they get one in next years draft, he wouldnt be ready for 1st pairing minutes this soon.
- i think lindgren, who can skate but has that old school hitting shutdown style could pair very well with shattenkirk. this pairings placement as second pair isnt a prediction on how good i think lindgren will be (i think hes more of a high end 3rd pairing d), but he matches best with shattenkirks game.
- this was a tough one. hajek and rykov both has potential to become a top 4 defenseman in the league, but only one can get the spot. pionk has shown great offensive capabilities and i really hope he can improve his defense and then he could be top 4d potential and this pair could swap with the shattenkirk pair
- staal could be boughtout by this time but im assuming hes still here at a vet.
~ assuming brendan smith is subject to a buyout/bury in minors
- obviously im putting my money on k’andre miller and nils lundkvist are playing in hartford and being ready in the seasons following
- notably missing here is joey keane, who has seen his stock rise considerably since draft day, looks like a possible steal and potential top 4 D.
- this is not even considering sean day as a possible player, who i thin could be a nice skating 3rd pairing d, but we shall see
Goalies
lundqvist
shestyorkin
- what can i say...one more run with the king as the starter because he will still be elite, mark my words. shestyorkin can play 30-40 games to keep hank fresh for the playoff run. then, resign hank and transition is to a platoon and eventually shestyorkin takes over with hank as backup.
- i get nervous about this because i feel like hank can be one of the goalies who can be elite until the day he retires, but i dont want them to stunt shestyorkins growth. this rips me apart bexause hes the future but i feel like hank will still be able to start, and it wont suffice for him to be a backup
- dont know what rangers are going to get for georgiev in the talbot/raanta esque trade hes going to be involved in....just shows how much potential there is for this teams future.
Cap outlook
(~)9.5 - 0.894 - 0.925
(~)6.5 - 5.35 - (~)4.8/5.5
0.863 - 0.894 - (~)2.5/3.5
(~)0.9/1.5 - (~)1.5/2 - (~)0.9/1.5
(~)0.9 ~ (~)0.9
5.25 - (~)2.5/3.5
0.925 - 6.5
0.833/(~)0.925 - (~)2.5/3.5
5.7
8.5
0.925
Total: $71.884M-$77.284M
(one of vesey/fast, including Rykov and Hajek on roster)
Total: $73.484M-$79.884M
(both of vesey/fast, removing $0.9M depth forward, Rykov and Hajek on roster)
The expected cap ceiling is $90M+ so this just shows the potential to get an upgrade on defense (trouba anyone?). Although the Rangers wouldn't be able to go crazy with Chytil, Andersson, Howden...etc needing second contracts.
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offdacrossbar
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pass on sprong. another project.
we need legit talent ready to play now
we need legit talent ready to play now
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