Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

[Richard Banger]

Well said. With the Rangers, I think the tanking for a top 3 pick ship has sailed - in hindsight, I dont think it was very realistic in the first place. Not with some of the vets still on the team, and not with Lundqvist in the net (and having a typical very good season). What is quite odd as a fan of the Rangers is the who "letter to the fans" business, which could've been interpreted as the team tearing it all town and starting from scratch at the time - when, in actuality, the Rangers are now operating like the majority of NHL teams who keep their young assets and draft picks.

They traded their best dman/ Captain along with our top goal score for the past few seasons (Nash). I think that was good enough for the letter.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Anyone else think that when Buch comes back Zucc is gone? I think we have too many players needing to play

Namestnikov-Zib-Buch
Kreider-Hayes-Chytil
Vesey-Howden-Strome
McLeod-Lias-Fast
Will likely be the lines without Zucc, unless we send Lias back down and move Strome to 4C
I don’t see how we can roll with a full roster including Zucc all the way to the TDL

Ice time is going to be at a premium. Remember though, we don't know for Namestnikov how long he'll be out. He could be back right after the bye or right after the All Star Break.

Anderson is not getting sent down.

I like the lineup above. Have McLeod and Gettinger rotate in and out if need be.

We have to remember though there is the possibility of a surprise name being moved out, or a surprise name coming in. Let's say Chevy is open to business and one of Roslovic/Appleton/Petan/Lemeiux comes back. They're gonna play.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I can’t believe how many people buy the “winning culture” thing hook, line, and sinker.

Remember when the Islanders would have great Feb-March stretches (after being all but eliminated from contention) and everyone on HF would gush about how they finally “turned the corner” and “learned how to win”? Didn’t seem to translate much into camp the next year.

Bad management, scouting, and a lack of and/or poorly diversified talent (ie Edmonton drafting a one dimensional offensive player in the top 5 repeatedly) is much more of a factor than developing a “winning culture” in the regular season. It’s just a nice spoon of sugar to swallow when your franchise hasn’t developed a top-15 forward league-wide in decades.

 

[BBKers]

Edmonton has been drafting the player with the overall concensus as BPA in the 1st round. Their other pics have been horrendous as has their organization to strategically build a team or raise their prospects. Trades? Awful too

 

[Mac n Gs]

I highly doubt they’d be willing to move Laaksonen due to his great development but I’d be all over that

I think he's going to end up one of the more underrated picks out of that 2017 draft. He's right near the top of Liiga scoring for a dman, which is led by none other than ex-Ranger great Ilkka Heikkinen. He should make the WJC for Finland this season, and I'm interested to see if his play carries over against the best of his age group. He didn't make it last year because of the crazy depth in his age class, but he'll have a good chance with Juolevi and Valimaki aging out of the tournament.

Speak of the devil, here’s Pronman on him this morning:

The main point of this column is to highlight errors I’ve made and how I’ve learned from them. In the case of Laaksonen, I don’t think I made a glaring error. At the time of his pick, I had never heard of the guy. He was never at an international event but there was no way with my current process I would have ever watched him play live or on tape and deemed him not a prospect. Yet Buffalo picked him in the third round in 2017, surprising some in the industry. Two years later it looks like a very shrewd pick. Laaksonen regularly leads his Liiga team in minutes, he skates very well, he’s skilled and he has good offensive instincts. He’s gone through a growth spurt lately and has come out of it looking like a real prospect.
I don’t think I made an error in judgment here, but I didn’t even know about a now 19-year-old player who was drafted at 17 and seems on track to become an NHL player in the next few years. That’s a mistake regardless of the reason. It’s also one of the gutsiest and best picks I’ve seen in the past few years with the caveat that Laaksonen still needs to prove it at the NHL level.

Edmonton has been drafting the player with the overall concensus as BPA in the 1st round. Their other pics have been horrendous as has their organization to strategically build a team or raise their prospects. Trades? Awful too

It's amazing just how bad that management has been. They talked about this on one of the hockey podcasts last week, but that organization has been rotting from the head down ever since they put the old boys club in charge in the early 2000s. Even this last trade was hilariously bad for Chiarelli, but I'm happy we got a semi-useful player in Strome for a guy that was an absolute detriment when he wasn't scoring in Spooner.

 

[NYR Viper]

No, I understood it.

This is like watching parents fight...

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Question for all on William Nylander; When they say the deadline is December 1st, does that mean like noon (12 PM ET) this Saturday or do they have the entire 24 hours until midnight into Sunday morning?

 

[offdacrossbar]

i still expect him to sign a deal and then subsequently get traded. if theres no deal now, hell sign and hes gone down the road.

he wont play long term for toronto.

 

[nyr__1994]

Question for all on William Nylander; When they say the deadline is December 1st, does that mean like noon (12 PM ET) this Saturday or do they have the entire 24 hours until midnight into Sunday morning?

I believe the deadline is 5:00 pm Eastern time....

 

[Leetch3]

Question for all on William Nylander; When they say the deadline is December 1st, does that mean like noon (12 PM ET) this Saturday or do they have the entire 24 hours until midnight into Sunday morning?

I believe the deadline is 5PM ET

 

[Off Sides]

I can’t believe how many people buy the “winning culture” thing hook, line, and sinker.

Remember when the Islanders would have great Feb-March stretches (after being all but eliminated from contention) and everyone on HF would gush about how they finally “turned the corner” and “learned how to win”? Didn’t seem to translate much into camp the next year.

Bad management, scouting, and a lack of and/or poorly diversified talent (ie Edmonton drafting a one dimensional offensive player in the top 5 repeatedly) is much more of a factor than developing a “winning culture” in the regular season. It’s just a nice spoon of sugar to swallow when your franchise hasn’t developed a top-15 forward league-wide in decades.

The semi recent history of the teams who are viewed as having a losing culture seems to be largely ignored. Almost all of them have had some sort of organization issues. Usually ownership or financials played a large part.

Just looking at Ottawa current for the moment, their owner is a whack job who seems intent on trying to save money. That sort of thing is likely to build a losing culture. Before LA rebuilt they had financial, ownership issues and moved to a new arena. Current Carolina is having ownership issues where it seems like they are trying to sell the team. Chicago until the son took over was similar to current Ottawa. Buffalo had some of their owners get indicted for fraud, the NHL ran them for a short time. Arizona I don't think anyone does not know that they have had several financial, ownership, arena issues. Islanders have had arena issues for a long time and not too long ago their owner was also a shady guy. Pittsburgh ended up with the picks they did because they were bad and at the time were having ownership and financial issues. The way the Thrasher were handled compared to the way the Jets are.

It takes time for that kind of stuff to work itself out, even longer if that market is one that the players do not really want to play in. Players would not lobby so hard for no trade clauses if they partially were not worried about ending up in markets they did not want to be in. Those markets also tend to have to over pay to extend their players or to sign new ones. Those who have financial issues, that is not just limited to player salary, that goes for what they are also spending on things like scouting, facilities, minor league affiliates, etc.

I guess an abridged versions of that would be something to the effect of, a fish rots from the head down and if that fish is in a place where it's difficult for it to thrive in the first place...

 

[Gardner McKay]

Vermette?

He was another one.

That’s if we want him back.

I don’t think he fits in with this team post AV.

Maybe not. I'm not advocating to re-sign him long term. But if he likes being here, why not re-sign him to a one year deal and ship him out for assets at next years deadline as well?

There’s really no point to re-signing him, out RW should be set soon once Kravtsov comes over and we have Buch there, it’s better off just parting ways with Zucc at this point

I am not looking at him as a long term piece. Although, I don't disagree, parting ways may just be the best way to go at this point in time.

I wasn’t keen on the idea of bringing back the likes of Nash or Grabner when they were moved, and feel the same about Zuccarello when he gets moved. He’s not a part of the new leadership being developed and he probably no longer fits in the top six.

Although this is redundant, I just want to clarify. I am not looking at him as a long term piece. I am looking at him as a way to generate more assets and if it was a good mutual fit next year, then why not take a shot.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Although this is redundant, I just want to clarify. I am not looking at him as a long term piece. I am looking at him as a way to generate more assets and if it was a good mutual fit next year, then why not take a shot.

Just to reiterate, I don’t see where he fits.

 

[Kovalev27]

Not enough talk on Zucc has everyone seen this interview? He’s sitting home alone moping and waiting for a trade? Basically saying he could use a new spark (we know). This doesn’t feel like it’s going to go to February. This seems prettt iminent

 

[Thirty One]

Not enough talk on Zucc has everyone seen this interview? He’s sitting home alone moping and waiting for a trade? Basically saying he could use a new spark (we know). This doesn’t feel like it’s going to go to February. This seems prettt iminent

I'm betting on it going to February.

 

[Kovalev27]

Rangers don’t like stuff like this out publicly and feels likes it’s going to blow up in the media today.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Rangers don’t like stuff like this out publicly and feels likes it’s going to blow up in the media today.

I doubt it. There's, um, a lot of other stuff blowing up in the media today...

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Rangers should put a claim in for Zykov, especially with all our injuries on the wing. He could be a nice piece

 

[RGY]

Worth a claim? Saw Zykov too

 

[Gardner McKay]

I can’t believe how many people buy the “winning culture” thing hook, line, and sinker.

Remember when the Islanders would have great Feb-March stretches (after being all but eliminated from contention) and everyone on HF would gush about how they finally “turned the corner” and “learned how to win”? Didn’t seem to translate much into camp the next year.

Bad management, scouting, and a lack of and/or poorly diversified talent (ie Edmonton drafting a one dimensional offensive player in the top 5 repeatedly) is much more of a factor than developing a “winning culture” in the regular season. It’s just a nice spoon of sugar to swallow when your franchise hasn’t developed a top-15 forward league-wide in decades.

Of course those things factor in. As does having a culture of mediocrity/losing. Having your young guys go out there and get pummeled every night does nothing for their confidence or development. Roenick said it best with Edmonton. They are complacent as a team. They have the skill and talent. It is on the players and they continue to lose. That is all Edmonton knows how to do. Hitchcock will change that as he brings accountability.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Rangers should put a claim in for Zykov, especially with all our injuries on the wing. He could be a nice piece

Concur.

EDIT: Main boards speculating that a trade for Nylander is imminent. Zykov being sent down to accommodate him.

Soshnikov is also worth a pick up too. Have a feeling neither make it to the Rangers though.

 

[EpicDing]

Carolina waived Darling too, something going on there?

 

[offdacrossbar]

quinns response in presser on zucc playing tonight was terse.

seems like his days are numbered.

i see a good fit in buffalo for sure and then i can watch him play occasionally too

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Rangers should put a claim in for Zykov, especially with all our injuries on the wing. He could be a nice piece

Rangers need to claim him and drop McLeod or Fogarty. Or send Gettinger back to Hartford.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Not enough talk on Zucc has everyone seen this interview? He’s sitting home alone moping and waiting for a trade? Basically saying he could use a new spark (we know). This doesn’t feel like it’s going to go to February. This seems prettt iminent

What interview?