Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Best thing for Anderson is to make him a winger and let him go into the corners. That's where he excels. Him at center is too much for him at this point. Regardless, someone needs to get Smith away from him.

McKegg has been a little bit of a disappointment as well. Not that big of a deal but now we see why Carolina was fine cutting ties with him.

Anderson for Donato is interesting to say the least but if it becomes the typical "Rangers tax" where they have to pay too much more like they do for many trades, nyet.

I don't think Lundqvist even at 50% has much if any value anymore.

 

[leetch99]

I did read your posts. You don't realize that Henrik doesn't give a rats ass about what you think or what you want. He has a full NMC and although I'd love to see Georgiev and Shesty rotating that position right now, I realize the team can't do anything about it until the end of next season when Hank's contract expires.

You whining about Lundqvist being here isn't going to change anything, regardless of how bad you want to see him waive his clause. There have been countless discussions about this so you're not bringing anything new to the table.

Actually Kupo...that is not quite true . They can let Hank sit in the stands and play the two kids if they had the Cap space . Would they do it....never . But...that would be an option if he played badly and would not waive to be moved or whatever and /or we were up against it next season .

 

[leetch99]

Best thing for Anderson is to make him a winger and let him go into the corners. That's where he excels. Him at center is too much for him at this point. Regardless, someone needs to get Smith away from him.

McKegg has been a little bit of a disappointment as well. Not that big of a deal but now we see why Carolina was fine cutting ties with him.

Anderson for Donato is interesting to say the least but if it becomes the typical "Rangers tax" where they have to pay too much more like they do for many trades, nyet.

I don't think Lundqvist even at 50% has much if any value anymore.

I agree....if he does it would not be in many cities . 4 Million is a lot of coin for a back up goalie for a lot of clubs .

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I agree....if he does it would not be in many cities . 4 Million is a lot of coin for a back up goalie for a lot of clubs .

Of the three teams it would make sense to even think about trading Lundqvist too:

1. Colorado-Have the cap room and makes the most sense along with a Kreider or Fast. What comes back Colin Wilson as a cap dump, Jost, picks?
2. San Jose-No cap room
3. Calgary-Good luck getting Lundqvist to waive there

But I just don't think teams view him as a top tier goalie anymore. That and his temper.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Actually Kupo...that is not quite true . They can let Hank sit in the stands and play the two kids if they had the Cap space . Would they do it....never . But...that would be an option if he played badly and would not waive to be moved or whatever and /or we were up against it next season .

The Rangers would have to carry three goalies next year if they plan on doing that. Is it possible? Sure, just like it's technically possible Kakko finishes the season as the league leader in points. But like you mentioned, very unlikely.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I did read your posts. You don't realize that Henrik doesn't give a rats ass about what you think or what you want. He has a full NMC and although I'd love to see Georgiev and Shesty rotating that position right now, I realize the team can't do anything about it until the end of next season when Hank's contract expires.

You whining about Lundqvist being here isn't going to change anything, regardless of how bad you want to see him waive his clause. There have been countless discussions about this so you're not bringing anything new to the table.

Thank you Mr Wizard. Perhaps reading comprehension is what you should work on b/c you still miss the point.

What’s the hurry is shipping out a young goalie is the topic? Try comprehending that without the hissy fit about Hank.

Cheers

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Thank you Mr Wizard. Perhaps reading comprehension is what you should work on b/c you still miss the point.

What’s the hurry is shipping out a young goalie is the topic? Try comprehending that without the hissy fit about Hank.

Cheers

I never expressed any interest in shipping out a young goalie, so again, you seem to be the one struggling with reading comprehension.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Huska can be that Samsonov who spends a couple years in Hartford and then becomes the backup. Also Samsonov is likely Washington’s goalie of the future and more comparable situationally to Shestyorkin.

The point to trading Georgiev is he is probably right around his ceiling for his career. Sure he can probably improve here and there but its not significant enough to say he will be a surefire NHL #1. Just don’t see it. And so while he is young and performing well enough we should capitalize on his value and sell high. We have other holes. We are deep at goaltending. Igor has dominated the AHL thus far. Let Igor split time with Hank and learn from him. Let Huska become the #1 in Hartford. And at the same time package Georgiev to get better at forward. Especially at Center if possible, but at the very least forward in general. Because guys like Nieves and Lettieri are just NHL fodder otherwise they would be up displacing Brendan Smith, which is a joke that he starts every game.

Georgie is like the same age as shesty
Goalies take more time

 

[brians1128]

I would offer Buch and Georgiev to Toronto for Nylander, i think theres a deal there.

Im thinking Toronto doesn't want to give up a player on their current roster, If so the only guy I like is Nick Robertson (outside of their defenseman which I dont think are being moved)

 

[leetch99]

The Rangers would have to carry three goalies next year if they plan on doing that. Is it possible? Sure, just like it's technically possible Kakko finishes the season as the league leader in points. But like you mentioned, very unlikely.

It sure what be nice though if we did have a Ranger in the top 5 in points....been a long time for that to happen . Not an impossible feat when you think about it with a healthy Zibs and Panarin and a winger that can win board battles/ create havoc and a couple of offensive Dmen ready to take another step forward in their play especially on the PP . We have all those boxes checked...just need some luck to make it happen .

 

[NYSPORTS]

I never expressed any interest in shipping out a young goalie, so again, you seem to be the one struggling with reading comprehension.

lol - you chimed in without reading and posted on an assunption and now further distance yourself the topic.

Back to the Rangers and thankful for the ignore option

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Of the three teams it would make sense to even think about trading Lundqvist too:

1. Colorado-Have the cap room and makes the most sense along with a Kreider or Fast. What comes back Colin Wilson as a cap dump, Jost, picks?
2. San Jose-No cap room
3. Calgary-Good luck getting Lundqvist to waive there

But I just don't think teams view him as a top tier goalie anymore. That and his temper.

Arizona maybe? If they continue to be in the mix. But again, Hank has to agree.

 

[bobbop]

OK...what about a deal like this?

Brady Skeji to Minnesota for Jonas Brodin and Ryan Donato. Rangers throw in a third. Skeji gets to go home and is under team control for several years. He would benefit from a change of scenery. Brodin is a dependable veteran defenseman with a year and a half to run on his contract. Helps expansion draft planning. Donato has offensive upside.

Thoughts?

 

[bobbop]

Of the three teams it would make sense to even think about trading Lundqvist too:

1. Colorado-Have the cap room and makes the most sense along with a Kreider or Fast. What comes back Colin Wilson as a cap dump, Jost, picks?
2. San Jose-No cap room
3. Calgary-Good luck getting Lundqvist to waive there

But I just don't think teams view him as a top tier goalie anymore. That and his temper.

You forgot Carolina.

 

[NYR Viper]

OK...what about a deal like this?

Brady Skeji to Minnesota for Jonas Brodin and Ryan Donato. Rangers throw in a third. Skeji gets to go home and is under team control for several years. He would benefit from a change of scenery. Brodin is a dependable veteran defenseman with a year and a half to run on his contract. Helps expansion draft planning. Donato has offensive upside.

Thoughts?

I’d probably be okay with that less the pick from the Rangers, although I’d prefer Greenway

 

[RGY]

Doesn’t really matter what should or shouldn’t happen. His contract and clauses are what they are and he can’t be moved with wanting to move.

This is just way too hard for some simpletons here to comprehend.

Logic doesn’t exist here and you should certainly not expect these people to put together the pieces to realize Hank has a NMC and a high cap hit even with some retained.

Georgiev is younger than Hank, has an affordable cap hit and will likely return more in a trade even if we could move Hank. But we cant so the point is moot.

Both Shesty and GG cant play every game. You are not going to do a 50/50 split between the two. Shesty is the goalie of the future. Capitalize on GG’s value.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Why is everyone trying to move Georgiev? I mean worst case scenario him and Shestyerkin have to split their time in the nhl next year and we dump Hank the next.

Thank you

 

[Ola]

This is what I would like to see. Sell Kreider, Strome, Skjei, Geo and Fast.

1. Go after Pulju, I think they would have interest in Fast. Give up a couple of picks, with conditions. Our 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd next season if Pulju performs. Otherwise it should be a 4th max.

2. Move Skjei for the JT Miller return. Like to MTL for their 1st and Chi’s 2nd.

3. Kreider for a 1st and a prospect.

4. See what you can get for Strome and Geo. A 1st? Great. Otherwise, take what you can get. Work with conditions etc.

Run with:
Lemieux-Ziba-Kakko
Panarin-Lias-Pulju
Howden-Chytil-Buch
McKegg-Boo-Gettinger
Lindgren-Trouba
Hajak-Fox
Staal-TDA
Hank
Shesty

Three 1st round picks in 2020. At least a couple of 2nd and 3rds each. Keep restocking the farm.

Why? This is good value management. Panarin would certainly lift Pulju. I’ve watched him in Europe. Those two would work well together. Lias gets a role that suits him. He would grow well and build up value. I like to see Howden in a winger role for a while — get to play a little more free role with offensive talents. That would help him. Lemieux would do well on that 1st. Create havoc for Ziba and Kakko.

I think Gorton’s flaws are fairly significant. He is making some big mistakes, and get a pass for most of them since he isn’t held accountable for his contract management.

But, I definitely think he excels at working the phones. Hence, give him ammo to work with. You get that with the above moves. Not only in terms of draft picks — but especially the kids mentioned, in these roles their value would certainly go up a lot.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Arizona maybe? If they continue to be in the mix. But again, Hank has to agree.

Zero chance.

 

[Rongomania]

This is what I would like to see. Sell Kreider, Strome, Skjei, Geo and Fast.

1. Go after Pulju, I think they would have interest in Fast. Give up a couple of picks, with conditions. Our 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd next season if Pulju performs. Otherwise it should be a 4th max.

2. Move Skjei for the JT Miller return. Like to MTL for their 1st and Chi’s 2nd.

3. Kreider for a 1st and a prospect.

4. See what you can get for Strome and Geo. A 1st? Great. Otherwise, take what you can get. Work with conditions etc.

Run with:
Lemieux-Ziba-Kakko
Panarin-Lias-Pulju
Howden-Chytil-Buch
McKegg-Boo-Gettinger
Lindgren-Trouba
Hajak-Fox
Staal-TDA
Hank
Shesty

Three 1st round picks in 2020. At least a couple of 2nd and 3rds each. Keep restocking the farm.

Why? This is good value management. Panarin would certainly lift Pulju. I’ve watched him in Europe. Those two would work well together. Lias gets a role that suits him. He would grow well and build up value. I like to see Howden in a winger role for a while — get to play a little more free role with offensive talents. That would help him. Lemieux would do well on that 1st. Create havoc for Ziba and Kakko.

I think Gorton’s flaws are fairly significant. He is making some big mistakes, and get a pass for most of them since he isn’t held accountable for his contract management.

But, I definitely think he excels at working the phones. Hence, give him ammo to work with. You get that with the above moves. Not only in terms of draft picks — but especially the kids mentioned, in these roles their value would certainly go up a lot.

I agree. This should be our final sell, sell, sell season.

I'd be on board for all of that. Maybe less picks as Fast for Pulju is a fair straight up trade if EDM thinks they can make noise in the PO's (I personally don't think they have the scoring depth, as others have mentioned they're ultra weak outside of Drai & McD).

Would be nice to take another bunch of swings at the draft and hopefully we see another top 3 pick this year on top of anything we can potentially get in trade.

 

[Avery16]

OK...what about a deal like this?

Brady Skeji to Minnesota for Jonas Brodin and Ryan Donato. Rangers throw in a third. Skeji gets to go home and is under team control for several years. He would benefit from a change of scenery. Brodin is a dependable veteran defenseman with a year and a half to run on his contract. Helps expansion draft planning. Donato has offensive upside.

Thoughts?

Overall it really depends on what we could flip Brodin for, but I expect more in a return for Skjei. One of the most valuable things for us about Skjei's contract is that it is for term and lacking any protections. A team that cant sign players for term without overpaying them would give more to get that contract. Because of that, I don't know if Minnesota is our best trade partner.

 

[Avery16]

Arizona maybe? If they continue to be in the mix. But again, Hank has to agree.

I think he'd rather play for Sweden than any other team in this league.

 

[howztheglass]

You forgot Carolina.

This reminds me a lot of the P Roy trade from Montreal to Colorado. Colorado like Carolina is or was very close to a cup contender. Very good defense with an offensive flare.

Carolina is close to NY still on the east coast unlike some of the other teams mentioned. Last year I thought Hank to St Louis was the best possibly to win the cup this year maybe it’s Carolina.

Not that I think Hank wants to go anywhere but this might be the one team he’d waiver his no trade.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

This reminds me a lot of the P Roy trade from Montreal to Colorado. Colorado like Carolina is or was very close to a cup contender. Very good defense with an offensive flare.

Carolina is close to NY still on the east coast unlike some of the other teams mentioned. Last year I thought Hank to St Louis was the best possibly to win the cup this year maybe it’s Carolina.

Not that I think Hank wants to go anywhere but this might be the one team he’d waiver his no trade.

Still think SJ makes the most sense (if it happens). They've been on a run recently. No idea whether Jones has been a driver or a passenger, though...

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I would dangle:

Kreider
Strome (his value will never be higher)
Skjei
Fast
Staal
Smith
Gropp


And may as well see what a team will offer for Lias Andersson since he's never getting any ice-time, but the objective should be to get younger and clear salary. They need to extend DeAngelo and Lemieux in the offseason.