Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV

[bobbop]

Gorton start working the phones. I think we need a real monster run to get into the POs the coming months, and that must just be seen as unlikely.

Fast, 2020 3rd round pick and 2021 4h round pick that becomes a 2nd conditional upon like Pulju playing 60 games and scoring say at least 0.5 PPG in 20/21.

Kreider for a 1st, the sooner that trade is made — the better. Bigger chance for whatever team that trades for Kreider ends up sucking.

Send Lias to the AHL so that he gets to play more in a bigger role. Trade Strome at the deadline to a team looking for a center. I don’t think we can get a 1st — but who knows. Maybe a 2nd and an OK prospect. Then move up Lias again in March.

Gorton is undoubtedly working the phones. At this point of the season, you are looking at hockey trades involving lesser pieces. Forget anything substantial until after Christmas.

I’d certainly be interested in kicking tires on Donato. I’d hope our pro scouts have a good handle on what went right with him last year and what’s gone wrong this year. There are probably other players like him around the league who may be surprisingly available.

Strome for Spooner type of deal again this year? Sign me up for that.

 

[ETTER DE]

You can only do that for so long, imo the Leafs waited too long and now they have no cap space left and have had to deal off picks and players to get rid of salary. I'm of the opinion that this year is a tweener year that we need to see growth from the young players, Chytil, Kakko, Fox, Andersson, Howden, Hajek and Lindgren and then make a push for playoffs next year and hopefully win a round and start cranking it up a notch the year after. I'm enjoying the rebuild so far, would like to see more from Andersson and was hoping Kravtsov would have stayed in Hartford but so far so good

This is it. 2021/22 is when the stars are aligned. Smith and Staal off the books. Kappo, Fox (and Kravtsov) still on ELC. Last year of Zibanejad on a good contract. Hopefully maybe a couple of other good players on ELC.

 

[NYSPORTS]

This so incredibly naive.

What is the return for Henrik who has been a staple in this organization? This city? I know its so easy for the couch potato to trade him but have we evaluated the other factors...

either way i think Georgiev at his age returns more than Hank would. The added benefit is Hank can mentor Shesty.

And on top of all this, Hank hasnt been bad at all. So sell high on Georgiev.

Save the emotion and try looking at the org objectively. This is a rebuild. You don’t part ways with a kid who is part of the rebuild to keep a veteran with not much left in the tank. Eli Manning is no different.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Okay and what are they getting for Henrik?

They could conceivably get more for Georgiev.

And Georgiev and Shesty both cant play.

What are the Rangers getting for Georgiev?

If you’re getting a significantly more for Georgiev then sure. But to simply move out a kid for a veteran who isn’t going to be part of the future isn’t very wise IMO.

Meanwhile, teams are playing two goalies these days. I prefer one but let’s be honest, Georgiev can’t play every night b/c Lundqvist is still here.

 

[RGY]

What are the Rangers getting for Georgiev?

If you’re getting a significantly more for Georgiev then sure. But to simply move out a kid for a veteran who isn’t going to be part of the future isn’t very wise IMO.

Meanwhile, teams are playing two goalies these days. I prefer one but let’s be honest, Georgiev can’t play every night b/c Lundqvist is still here.

Welp if you just knew how to read this wouldn't have required multiple posts from you.

You said it yourself many teams rely on having 2 capable goalies. Many are cutting back the workload.

Hence why I brought up Toronto who has high aspirations this year, as they had last year, but they are conceding game after game when they go to their backup.

Georgiev is young, making minimal money, with no trade restrictions on his contract. He will bring back the better return easily. The Rangers do not need him. Hank is not retiring after this season. They can transition to Shesty getting the 70% workload for the rest of the season and next. Hopefully by 2021-2022 season Huska will have shown he can be a capable backup. Or one of the other two. Or we sign a veteran.

By the way this has no “emotions” behind it, its just common f***ing sense...

 

[NYSPORTS]

Welp if you just knew how to read this wouldn't have required multiple posts from you.

You said it yourself many teams rely on having 2 capable goalies. Many are cutting back the workload.

Hence why I brought up Toronto who has high aspirations this year, as they had last year, but they are conceding game after game when they go to their backup.

Georgiev is young, making minimal money, with no trade restrictions on his contract. He will bring back the better return easily. The Rangers do not need him. Hank is not retiring after this season. They can transition to Shesty getting the 70% workload for the rest of the season and next. Hopefully by 2021-2022 season Huska will have shown he can be a capable backup. Or one of the other two. Or we sign a veteran.

By the way this has no “emotions” behind it, its just common ****ing sense...

So what’s the return? Hyping up and speculating isn’t exactly more insight than accusing others of being coach potatoes.

 

[Vitto79]

Andersson needs to go down to fat some minutes and confidence ... Nieves is a ok stop gap

If not I see an Andersson for young winger deal eventually . Donate or Poo is ideal

 

[Vitto79]

Welp if you just knew how to read this wouldn't have required multiple posts from you.

You said it yourself many teams rely on having 2 capable goalies. Many are cutting back the workload.

Hence why I brought up Toronto who has high aspirations this year, as they had last year, but they are conceding game after game when they go to their backup.

Georgiev is young, making minimal money, with no trade restrictions on his contract. He will bring back the better return easily. The Rangers do not need him. Hank is not retiring after this season. They can transition to Shesty getting the 70% workload for the rest of the season and next. Hopefully by 2021-2022 season Huska will have shown he can be a capable backup. Or one of the other two. Or we sign a veteran.

By the way this has no “emotions” behind it, its just common ****ing sense...

TO can afford him this year but not next as an RFA.. why not just keep Georgiev, Shestyorkin and Huska ... Hank could waive imo at the deadline .... if not it’s only 1 More year

Samsonov is a good example of a young goalie who has a few AHL years

 

[RGY]

TO can afford him this year but not next as an RFA.. why not just keep Georgiev, Shestyorkin and Huska ... Hank could waive imo at the deadline .... if not it’s only 1 More year

Samsonov is a good example of a young goalie who has a few AHL years

Huska can be that Samsonov who spends a couple years in Hartford and then becomes the backup. Also Samsonov is likely Washington’s goalie of the future and more comparable situationally to Shestyorkin.

The point to trading Georgiev is he is probably right around his ceiling for his career. Sure he can probably improve here and there but its not significant enough to say he will be a surefire NHL #1. Just don’t see it. And so while he is young and performing well enough we should capitalize on his value and sell high. We have other holes. We are deep at goaltending. Igor has dominated the AHL thus far. Let Igor split time with Hank and learn from him. Let Huska become the #1 in Hartford. And at the same time package Georgiev to get better at forward. Especially at Center if possible, but at the very least forward in general. Because guys like Nieves and Lettieri are just NHL fodder otherwise they would be up displacing Brendan Smith, which is a joke that he starts every game.

 

[Vitto79]

Huska can be that Samsonov who spends a couple years in Hartford and then becomes the backup. Also Samsonov is likely Washington’s goalie of the future and more comparable situationally to Shestyorkin.

The point to trading Georgiev is he is probably right around his ceiling for his career. Sure he can probably improve here and there but its not significant enough to say he will be a surefire NHL #1. Just don’t see it. And so while he is young and performing well enough we should capitalize on his value and sell high. We have other holes. We are deep at goaltending. Igor has dominated the AHL thus far. Let Igor split time with Hank and learn from him. Let Huska become the #1 in Hartford. And at the same time package Georgiev to get better at forward. Especially at Center if possible, but at the very least forward in general. Because guys like Nieves and Lettieri are just NHL fodder otherwise they would be up displacing Brendan Smith, which is a joke that he starts every game.

Yea are they praying a team sees value in Smith as a spare D and winger ?

I’d trade him for Kovalchuk as long as LA equals out the dollars

 

[howztheglass]

Welp if you just knew how to read this wouldn't have required multiple posts from you.

You said it yourself many teams rely on having 2 capable goalies. Many are cutting back the workload.

Hence why I brought up Toronto who has high aspirations this year, as they had last year, but they are conceding game after game when they go to their backup.

Georgiev is young, making minimal money, with no trade restrictions on his contract. He will bring back the better return easily. The Rangers do not need him. Hank is not retiring after this season. They can transition to Shesty getting the 70% workload for the rest of the season and next. Hopefully by 2021-2022 season Huska will have shown he can be a capable backup. Or one of the other two. Or we sign a veteran.

By the way this has no “emotions” behind it, its just common ****ing sense...

Just looking at Toronto's roster I'm not sure what center can or will be dealt for Georgie.

Here are some of their players listed as centers according to their website:

Matthews--not happening.
Marner--not happening--playing on the wing.
Tavares--not happening.
Nylander--big contract playing most wing.
Hyman--interesting I think he's more of a wing--also injured right now but I would think Toronto doesn't want to move him.
Kerfoot--signed to a good contract ( he's the center I would go after ) but again is Toronto trading him ?
Shore/Gauthier/Moore--I don't think the Rangers would be interested in--maybe somebody knows more that would make them appealing.

Just some names based on what everyone is writing about the last few days--is there a deal to be made ?

 

[Vitto79]

Isn’t the plan still Zib , Chytil too 2 then hope one of Howden / Andersson develop

they won’t block a kid right ? It’s a rebuild gotta give them time

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Toronto cant do anything trade wise unless it's a big fish

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why is everyone trying to move Georgiev? I mean worst case scenario him and Shestyerkin have to split their time in the nhl next year and we dump Hank the next.

 

[cheech70]

Isn’t the plan still Zib , Chytil too 2 then hope one of Howden / Andersson develop

they won’t block a kid right ? It’s a rebuild gotta give them time

Yeah or maybe Strome at 3c..with Brendan and Fast , which isn't bad..assuming both Strome and Fast can be signed . Then either Lias or Brett as bait

 

[NYSPORTS]

TO can afford him this year but not next as an RFA.. why not just keep Georgiev, Shestyorkin and Huska ... Hank could waive imo at the deadline .... if not it’s only 1 More year

Easy, he might consider you a naive couch potato for voicing an opinion similar to others.

The future are the kids and no kid should be moved out unless another kid arrives. Certainly no kid should be moved out b/c an old veteran wants to keep playing and his presence prevents another kid from being called up.

Waive the trade clause and go win a Cup Hank!!!! This is a rebuild, not a Hank rebirth.

 

[haveandare]

Easy, he might consider you a naive couch potato for voicing an opinion similar to others.

The future are the kids and no kid should be moved out unless another kid arrives. Certainly no kid should be moved out b/c an old veteran wants to keep playing and his presence prevents another kid from being called up.

Waive the trade clause and go win a Cup Hank!!!! This is a rebuild, not a Hank rebirth.

Doesn’t really matter what should or shouldn’t happen. His contract and clauses are what they are and he can’t be moved with wanting to move.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Doesn’t really matter what should or shouldn’t happen. His contract and clauses are what they are and he can’t be moved with wanting to move.

Some people refuse to accept this reality. Not sure why...........

 

[NYSPORTS]

Doesn’t really matter what should or shouldn’t happen. His contract and clauses are what they are and he can’t be moved with wanting to move.

That’s correct yet the point is we read fans proposing moving out a kid simply b/c another kid may soon deserve a promotion while the real reason is the veteran is standing in the way.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Some people refuse to accept this reality. Not sure why...........

some people think a rebuild includes coddling a veteran too. Not sure why when the future are kids and not those north of 35 years in age.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

some people think a rebuild includes coddling a veteran too. Not sure why when the future are kids and not those north of 35 years in age.

Who's coddling Lundqvist? Do you think before you type, or you are really this obtuse?

Lundqvist has a full NMC. He has final say in anything and everything. That's not coddling. I can't fathom why you're struggling with simple facts.

 

[Waivers]

Do you understand me? Are you catching my drift? Or am I being obtuse? Give him another month to think about it.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Do you understand me? Are you catching my drift? Or am I being obtuse? Give him another month to think about it.

I'd like to think that the last thing that went through his head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell Andy Dufresne ever got the best of him.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Who's coddling Lundqvist? Do you think before you type, or you are really this obtuse?

Lundqvist has a full NMC. He has final say in anything and everything. That's not coddling. I can't fathom why you're struggling with simple facts.

Do you read a thread or just skip around? Your post literally doesn’t follow along which is why your posting about a NTC as if you’re sharing some secret

Yes, you’re being obtuse

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Do you read a thread or just skip around? Your post literally doesn’t follow along which is why your posting about a NTC as if you’re sharing some secret

Yes, you’re being obtuse

I did read your posts. You don't realize that Henrik doesn't give a rats ass about what you think or what you want. He has a full NMC and although I'd love to see Georgiev and Shesty rotating that position right now, I realize the team can't do anything about it until the end of next season when Hank's contract expires.

You whining about Lundqvist being here isn't going to change anything, regardless of how bad you want to see him waive his clause. There have been countless discussions about this so you're not bringing anything new to the table.