Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

McRanger92

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Why are the kings trading an important top pairing defenseman in a year they look like they can do something? If they want to add scoring they will trade futures. These trades make no sense.

The Kings havent gotten past the first round since like 2014. I think they should be open to all options if they want to score enough to finally get past Edmonton. Panarin should interest them too.
 

bernmeister

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I don't know about that. If NYR say we can't continue to play you. Would you prefer to be a healthy scratch for the rest of the season or help choose a trade location I'm 95% sure he chooses a trade.
Concur.
Have been sayin for coupla months now.

The NHLPA exists.

NYR are allowed to healthy scratch a player due to poor performance.

You said for the rest of the season. Not happening.
@NickyFotiu is correct, @Siddi is wrong.
It is obv there has been poor performance.
We are obliged only to pay him not play him
NHLPA may not like it, but they will bend, buckle and break to that reality.

As to rest of the season, rest of the contract, no big whoop.
He is told to work on his game, and allowed the occasional show up for practice.
At that pt, in coach's opinion, he is either not sufficiently improved or not a better option than alternative.

NHLPA may enter as to discipline etc but can't force teams to accept piss poor performance.


And also, if the Rangers came to Mika with the threat to scratch him unless he waives you bet your ass the NHLPA would sue.

Stop galaxy braining.
Does not have to be an expressed threat
Could be de facto implied, but overriding legally imo would be that factual basis of zib non performance = legit basis to scratch. Other than MAYBE a periodic chance to entertain level of improvement, club has no further obligation to the player. And the assessment of the level of improvement is in discretion of the club, not the player.

Instead of "Stop galaxy braining" start thinking big to get big solutions to big problems.


I think they could functionally just scratch him and pay him to sit. I doubt there would be a grievance there. That could "encourage" Mika to waive. That said, that kind of treatment of a vet would do more harm than good for the Rangers, and the Rangers know it. It wont happen.
The bold is true. It costs us $$$ and eventually a buyout may be more desirable b'c it recovers a roster spot.
As explained above, no legit basis for a grievance.
I agree that TYPICALLY this sort of approach is counterproductive and undesirable, but in this case, I think the disrespect of certain players combined w/arguably lackluster effort-> results = no blowback in this instance


They can just scratch him with out the threat of waving him.

While you’re right that the PA would have a grievance if they voiced a threat, the coaching staff is under no obligation to play him.

I don’t think it will or should get to that point. If there’s anything that’s going to be resolved on the Zibanejad front, it’ll come during the summer.
Simply do not voice the threat
Implied is good enough
and I want Zib gone NOW


Which proves the point, NF -- the final decision is still Mika's as he could decide to spend 5 years in the press box just for shits and giggles. He'll collect his $40 million (?) and grow his DJing career -- best of both worlds if you think about it.
If he opts to sit 5 yrs -- which won't happen b'c at some pt we waive him -- or maybe we don't to deny him an opportunity to play elsewhere after clearing -- that is not good for him, either.
It is fully worse on 2 fronts.
First, does nothing for him to advance his career after this contract.
Second, at some pt, he has to tell his little girl why daddy is not playing the team even though he is under contract. THAT HUMILIATION will force his hand
 
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GAGLine

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The Kings havent gotten past the first round since like 2014. I think they should be open to all options if they want to score enough to finally get past Edmonton. Panarin should interest them too.
LA is 4th in the league on the PP. Gavrikov is leading their entire team in ice time overall, at even strength, and on the PK. He doesn't play at all on the PP, yet he has more points than Kreider.

Trading Kreider for Gavrikov is the antithesis of making their team better.
 

McRanger92

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LA is 4th in the league on the PP. Gavrikov is leading their entire team in ice time overall, at even strength, and on the PK. He doesn't play at all on the PP, yet he has more points than Kreider.

Trading Kreider for Gavrikov is the antithesis of making their team better.

LAK are 27th in the league on the PP
 

Levitate

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It's not surprising the players support Zibanejad and all, you do that for a teammate even if they're struggling, but like...dude has been bad. You can't blindly support that and throw away a season. These guys aren't getting younger, you don't have infinite shots at the cup, tanking a season because of vibes doesn't mean you put aging on hold for a year.
 
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kovazub94

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The Trouba and Goodrow situtation is not comparable to Mika. None of them had a full NMC which Mika has. There is literally nothing Drury can do.

Care to share these recent reports you mention?
Tampa told McD that they will put him on waivers unless he works with them to find a team he’d be willing to go. In the context of recently transpired here with above mentioned Goodrow and Trouba - why similar scenario is not plausible with Zibanejad?
 
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JohnC

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Tampa told McD that they will put him on waivers unless he works with them to find a team he’d be willing to go. In the context of recently transpired here with above mentioned Goodrow and Trouba - why similar scenario is not plausible with Zibanejad?
You can’t be waived with a NMC. A player with a NMC can only be moved with their permission.
 

nyr2k2

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If you're doing a buyout of a guy with an NMC, they can choose to forego the unconditional waivers and go straight to the buyout. That's what Richards did. Otherwise you go on unconditional waivers. I guess theoretically another team could claim you then, but there'd be no real reason since they could just wait for you to clear and be bought out and then they could try to sign you for a bargain. Of course if it's an "undesirable" team maybe they think you're worth it at the full cap hit. IDK. It doesn't happen often so there's not a lot to look back on.
 
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NickyFotiu

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And also, if the Rangers came to Mika with the threat to scratch him unless he waives you bet your ass the NHLPA would sue.

Stop galaxy braining.
I believe the team can bench anyone they like. They don't have to make any threat. Just let a player know they will be benching him for most the season if things don't improve dramatically. He will ask for a trade.
 

GAGLine

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What 2k2 said. In this scenario, you’re not “moving” the player you’re terminating their contract.
And to be clear, we can't terminate the contract unless Mika agrees to it, which he won't, or Mika breaches the contract, and we have a legal recourse to terminate.
 
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Taluss

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I believe the team can bench anyone they like. They don't have to make any threat. Just let a player know they will be benching him for most the season if things don't improve dramatically. He will ask for a trade.

Just out of curiosity how realistic even is this? Anyone know if its happened before? (Benching a player with a big contract for a long period of time)

Ik Drury already isn't liked by the players but man I feel like this would really push it over the edge.
 
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NickyFotiu

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Just out of curiosity how realistic even is this? Anyone know if its happened before? (Benching a player with a big contract for a long period of time)

Ik Drury already isn't liked by the players but man I feel like this would really push it over the edge.
Anyone that it would upset to the point of not playing hard would never win a cup anyway imo. Should be a wake-up call to earn your pay.
 
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GAGLine

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Just out of curiosity how realistic even is this? Anyone know if its happened before? (Benching a player with a big contract for a long period of time)

Ik Drury already isn't liked by the players but man I feel like this would really push it over the edge.
Kreider sat for a game, so it's totally possible that Mika does, but I don't see any scenario where he sits for an extended period of time unless he's injured. He would have to become a problem off the ice, a la DeAngelo, and I don't see that happening. It not a viable a path to getting rid of him.
 

LOFIN

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I'm pretty sure that if you started scratching a "star player" for an extended period of time, the NHLPA would be interested. You can definitely scratch them to send a message, even motivate them to play better. To scratch a player so he becomes so uncomfortable he waives his NMC, that I'm pretty sure would not fly.
 

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