Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVIII

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Two-way C, LD. Missing a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

Rangers have two 3rd round picks this year. But I suppose another one can't hurt in this deep draft although a 2nd would be even nicer.

 

[Savant]

Rangers have two 3rd round picks this year. But I suppose another one can't hurt in this deep draft although a 2nd would be even nicer.

The last thing the Rangers need is more mid round picks. They need immediate help. Desperately need to fix the bottom six. Getting Lafreniere changes the calculus.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

HFNYR board whipping players in the 6 years I've been gere, including the lurking years, Girardi, Staal, Vesey, Hayes, Howden and Skjei...
The only one we were wrong about is Hayes. Maybe Miller If we consider only this year, but he was really 50-50 here.

You forgot strome and pionk

 

[Edge]

HFNYR board whipping players in the 6 years I've been gere, including the lurking years, Girardi, Staal, Vesey, Hayes, Howden and Skjei...
The only one we were wrong about is Hayes. Maybe Miller If we consider only this year, but he was really 50-50 here.

And a combined you’re talking close to 2,000 NHL games, hundreds of points and tens of thousands of minutes, spread through different coaches, different positions, etc.

But that also doesn’t include the chosen ones who amount to nothing anywhere else they play either, despite the apparent litany of evidence that they should be great and the Rangers are foolish for not throwing them out there.

It’s a fairly complicated dynamic around here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Im happy Gorton didn't listen to this board when it wanted Zuc and Hayes to stay. Phew, dodged two big massive cap hitting bullets there.

 

[JimmyG89]

Only thing keeping Howden around is his age. You hope he's taking the time to improve on things.

Towards the end of the regular season it looked like something changed with him. He was skating, more decisive on what he was doing.

A year in the AHL probably does him wonders, but we forced him into a 4th line role. It's a big reason I'm hoping they aren't rushing guys like Barron and the UDFA crew that was signed. Let them learn in the AHL.

Sure if Barron is good in camp and preseason he could make the jump, but I'd still like to see all those guys contributing to Hartford.

We cannot rush players anymore. I'd argue we've done it with Howden and Hajek. I fear we're going to do it with Miller this season.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

The last thing the Rangers need is more mid round picks. They need immediate help. Desperately need to fix the bottom six. Getting Lafreniere changes the calculus.

I'm not saying they don't, but it's not like those picks hurt.

Our bottom 6 already has spots occupied by Laf and Kakko, does it not? With the abundance of wing depth on the team. I think it's imperative the Rangers retain Fast, frankly. Although yeah we do need some help there for sure.

 

[Savant]

I'm not saying they don't, but it's not like those picks hurt.

Our bottom 6 already has spots occupied by Laf and Kakko, does it not? With the abundance of wing depth on the team. I think it's imperative the Rangers retain Fast, frankly. Although yeah we do need some help there for sure.

It’s also entirely possible neither of those players are in the bottom six next season.

The Rangers have no secondary scoring. The can’t PK and they can’t win a face-off. Laffy, or dare I say Kreider, in the bottom six helps that but there is no help at center whatsoever, and frankly there is not a lot of defense or grinding coming out from that part of the Team either. Team needs to bring in some people that can show the way, even if it’s only for a season. The rebuild is over.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think we should turn Georgiev into our version of Bo Horvat like vancouver did for schneider...sounds like a good idea to me lol

Georgiev to Buffalo for 8th overall. Draft Anton Lundell.

 

[Barnaby]

I cringe when people say the Rangers ‘didn’t come to play’ or ‘weren’t prepared’. Sometimes the other team plays better.

I’d say it’s a little column A and a little column B. I don’t want to overreact to 3 games after a 4 month layoff, but I do believe that the Canes exposed some significant weaknesses. At least they’ll have some time to address that prior to next season.

 

[Nickmo82]

What we really need is more 7th round picks. We only have three. What happened to The Plan?

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

I don't think you can say we were wrong on Howden. His chapter is far from finished. If he can be a 52% faceoff, 15 G 25 A role playing forward, that is a good thing and something this team needs. Skjei sure looks like a good defenseman now that he's actually in a system that keeps pucks out of the net. For all his positives, Quinn has sucked creating a team defense system. Hopefully, that changes. If it doesn't, he won't be here long. Hayes was a good player here. He just wanted too much money. He was getting better each year.

 

[Alluckks]

What we really need is more 7th round picks. We only have three. What happened to The Plan?

I completely forgot about this.

I really want to see us trade for another 7th rounder on the day of the draft just for the memes

 

[Vitto79]

I completely forgot about this.

I really want to see us trade for another 7th rounder on the day of the draft just for the memes

Pretty sure we are going do see one of those 7th rounder this year for 1 next year deals lol ..... may even get 2-7 for a 6!

 

[zukeisgone]

I don't think you can say we were wrong on Howden. His chapter is far from finished. If he can be a 52% faceoff, 15 G 25 A role playing forward, that is a good thing and something this team needs. Skjei sure looks like a good defenseman now that he's actually in a system that keeps pucks out of the net. For all his positives, Quinn has sucked creating a team defense system. Hopefully, that changes. If it doesn't, he won't be here long. Hayes was a good player here. He just wanted too much money. He was getting better each year.

Have you watched the Bruins vs Canes?

 

[Avery16]

I compares Chytil tô Zib's first 3 years, he hás like 5 points less in that span.
Comparing Chytil to Howden should bê a ban sentence in HFNYR boards

If this take is the bar for bans, it’s going to be pretty sparse in here soon.

 

[Avery16]

Georgiev to Buffalo for 8th overall. Draft Anton Lundell.

Tell me this is a joke.

 

[haohmaru]

HFNYR board whipping players in the 6 years I've been gere, including the lurking years, Girardi, Staal, Vesey, Hayes, Howden and Skjei...
The only one we were wrong about is Hayes. Maybe Miller If we consider only this year, but he was really 50-50 here.

We were wrong to buy Girardi out because it was the wrong player (Staal) and G was in the wrong role. Either way, he's retired now.

Jury is out on Howden. Too young.

Miller is a whiff. He's 26, just had a career year, and has had three 54+ point seasons. Not sure what the expectations were for some, but he's exceeded them in my eyes and still has room for growth

Skjei's another one where we just don't know. D takes longer.

Vesey - didn't have high expectations. Not surprised with what he's developed into so far.

Hayes would've been nice on this team but, with that cap hit, Panarin wouldn't be here. No regrets. It's part of the cap era.

Staal should've been bought out. He's done and has been for years.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Have you watched the Bruins vs Canes?

Yeah, the series is tied 1-1 and Skjei is an even in two games. No offense but there are very few people in our fan base I will ever listen to when it comes to evaluating a defenseman. It's quite possible that our fan base is the worst fan base in the league when it comes to picking on defenseman. There seems to be this moronic mentality of our fans that defenseman in order to be good must never turn the puck over. NHL defenseman turn the puck over all the time. Give me a d man that actually can keep players to the outside and clog the middle. Skjei has been good the entire playoffs. You just don't like him. Give it another couple years, you and most of our fan base will be complaining about Fox and Lindgren.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

HFNYR board whipping players in the 6 years I've been gere, including the lurking years, Girardi, Staal, Vesey, Hayes, Howden and Skjei...
The only one we were wrong about is Hayes. Maybe Miller If we consider only this year, but he was really 50-50 here.

Boyle and Rozsival (I never under stood this one) were up there too. Others have mentioned Pionk.

People warmed up to Boyle and Hayes though. Hayes was interested where he went from loved, to loathed, to loved again. We knew he was a good player by the time that he was traded. Boyle has been brought up as a possible candidate for a 2nd tour of duty here for each of the last 3 off seasons, he got a ton of hate for the longest time until he was slotted in correctly on the 4th line.

Most of these guys deserved the criticism. Girardi was horrible towards the end of his tenure here and really wasn't any better in Tampa. Vesey has proven to be pretty useless, Staal continues to be one of the worst players in the league. Pionk is a PP specialist who I'd bet had a fluke season (production wise) and still sucks at ES, though carrying around Staal is impossible and he was tasked with it before DeAngelo got the assignment.

Jury is out on Skjei. I hope Howden goes the way of Boyle, but he has been really, really bad thus far.

 

[NYR Viper]

Boyle really was hated. His first couple of seasons were a rough go. I could very much see Howden taking a similar route

 

[RiffyNYR61]

Honestly not attached to either Chytil or Howden. If other teams are asking, I am listening. Neither has shown enough and neither excel at anything. If someone think they can unlock some upside on Chytil more power to them. Neither should be untouchable. Rangers need role players that can actually play roles.

Yes let’s give up on players who don’t put up 40-50 points as teens. That’s how you build winners and develop players!

cant wait till Laf gets crucified for his 15g 20-25a season

 

[Rangers394]

Honestly not attached to either Chytil or Howden. If other teams are asking, I am listening. Neither has shown enough and neither excel at anything. If someone think they can unlock some upside on Chytil more power to them. Neither should be untouchable. Rangers need role players that can actually play roles.

Both guys are way too young to give up on. Not sure who you're trading them for that is a clear upgrade but that's a bad idea imo. Need to see what these guys turn into first before giving up on them in their late teens early twenties. What's the rush?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I completely forgot about this.

I really want to see us trade for another 7th rounder on the day of the draft just for the memes

 

[Savant]

Yes let’s give up on players who don’t put up 40-50 points as teens. That’s how you build winners and develop players!

cant wait till Laf gets crucified for his 15g 20-25a season

Both guys are way too young to give up on. Not sure who you're trading them for that is a clear upgrade but that's a bad idea imo. Need to see what these guys turn into first before giving up on them in their late teens early twenties. What's the rush?

So you think Chytil and Howden should be untouchable ?