Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVIII

[NYR]

Ok I found the Quinn quote:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/range...w&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

He pretty much complimented the entire defense, but on what planet did Staal have a great 2nd half? He was probably worse in the 2nd half than he was in the 1st.

First.. The fact that DQ complements the defense just tells you how much of a clown he is.
Second.. Your hatred for Staal is beyond ridiculous at this point.
You're completely obsessed in an unhealthy way lol.
I would've easily played Staal over Smith, who isn't even f***ing AHL worthy, on the top line.
Third.. Who's going to replace him as of this very moment?
Would I prefer someone else on the L/S? f*** yes but who's going to replace him right now?

Maybe you should look at the GM, who had assembled an AHL team with a few stars sprinkled in all while maxing out the cap..

 

[Bluto]

With a username like yours, is that really a problem.

"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily"
"You should listen to him, he's pre med"

 

[Boris Zubov]

"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily"
"You should listen to him, he's pre med"

Pre-law, pre-med, what's the difference.

 

[NYR]

Pre-law, pre-med, what's the difference.

Pre = qualified for the next step = nothing at this moment in time lol

 

[Boris Zubov]

Pre = qualified for the next step = nothing at this moment in time lol

Watch the movie, Animal House. lol.

 

[Thirty One]

Watch the movie, Animal House. lol.

Love George Orwell.

 

[NYR]

Watch the movie, Animal House. lol.

Seen it 5k X lol

 

[Boris Zubov]

Love George Orwell.

 

[Adam Fox Time]

Not comparing Alexis Lafreniere to Eric Lindros, but if god forbid the Rangers do trade him maybe there would be a bidding war between Montreal, Ottawa and other teams driving the price to ridiculous over valued levels. I would think the number of Jerseys the Canadiens franchise could sell would certainly help in an overbid and overpay. Preparing for the worst and making myself feel better about it.

Look at the actual Lindros trade though. It was a bunch of spare parts + Peter Forsberg. The two 1st round picks didn't turn into anything special. It only turned out in Quebec/Colorado's favor because Forsberg turned into a superstar himself and Lindros' career was derailed by injuries.

Imagine if Lindros was awarded to the Rangers instead. The Rangers' offer was arguably better because it can be seen as Alexei Kovalev and Tony Amonte + spare parts vs. just Forsberg + spare parts. Kovelev was the equivalent of Forsberg at the time and Forsberg's career could have been like Kovalev's. And the Rangers traded Amonte anyway. They got one Cup in the end, but at what cost?

The point is, what if we get a Kovalev instead of a Forsberg and the draft picks turn out to be nothing special? It's just not worth it to trade the 1st pick. The risk is so much higher than the potential reward.

 

[Thirty One]

Look at the actual Lindros trade though. It was a bunch of spare parts + Peter Forsberg. The two 1st round picks didn't turn into anything special. It only turned out in Quebec/Colorado's favor because Forsberg turned into a superstar himself and Lindros' career was derailed by injuries.

That's kind of the point. The more pieces you take on, the better chance that one of them will strike big.

 

[Leetch3]

quinn didn't single out 1 or 2 guys he mentioned like 2/3 of the team. and what planet do some of you live on that you don't expect the coach to pump his guys tires regardless of if he believes it or not...its been 3 days since the draft lottery and people are just dying for anything to complain about

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Montreal doesn't have the pieces to trade for the 1OA.

A mid 1st and a couple of nice, not fantastic prospects and roster players won't get it done.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah Lindros was more of a Crosby/McDavid level guy, so he got a lot more. He was seen as quite possibly the next Lemieux.

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah Lindros was more of a Crosby/McDavid level guy, so he got a lot more. He was seen as quite possibly the next Lemieux.

He was literally called The Next One.

 

[Adam Fox Time]

That's kind of the point. The more pieces you take on, the better chance that one of them will strike big.

Quality > Quantity

The only thing that derails this is luck, but probability is on your side if you take quality over quantity.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Montreal doesn't have the pieces to trade for the 1OA.

A mid 1st and a couple of nice, not fantastic prospects and roster players won't get it done.

Lmao don’t tell that to that Montreal fan who was huffing and puffing that we wouldn’t trade Laf for Nick Suzuki and a 1st

 

[NYR]

quinn didn't single out 1 or 2 guys he mentioned like 2/3 of the team. and what planet do some of you live on that you don't expect the coach to pump his guys tires regardless of if he believes it or not...its been 3 days since the draft lottery and people are just dying for anything to complain about

He hasn't had much of a problem pointing fingers since he's been here.
He's done it after everything single loss all while never once taken blame for a single thing.
What are you talking about?
#PlanetLeetch3

 

[cwede]

Look at the actual Lindros trade though. It was a bunch of spare parts + Peter Forsberg. The two 1st round picks didn't turn into anything special. It only turned out in Quebec/Colorado's favor because Forsberg turned into a superstar himself and Lindros' career was derailed by injuries....The point is, what if we get a Kovalev instead of a Forsberg and the draft picks turn out to be nothing special? It's just not worth it to trade the 1st pick. The risk is so much higher than the potential reward.

i disagree calling Ricci and Simon spare parts (i think of Simon when i watch Tom Wilson),
Duchesne had 10 more mostly good seasons after the trade, Hextall about 7 more including some deep playoff runs.
Picks are always a a gamble, (for the next 20 years Bruins 13OA,14OA,15OA in '15 only yielding Debrusk will be the cautionary tale)

but i get your point, take the (very most likely) sure thing

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Look at the actual Lindros trade though. It was a bunch of spare parts + Peter Forsberg. The two 1st round picks didn't turn into anything special. It only turned out in Quebec/Colorado's favor because Forsberg turned into a superstar himself and Lindros' career was derailed by injuries.

Imagine if Lindros was awarded to the Rangers instead. The Rangers' offer was arguably better because it can be seen as Alexei Kovalev and Tony Amonte + spare parts vs. just Forsberg + spare parts. Kovelev was the equivalent of Forsberg at the time and Forsberg's career could have been like Kovalev's. And the Rangers traded Amonte anyway. They got one Cup in the end, but at what cost?

The point is, what if we get a Kovalev instead of a Forsberg and the draft picks turn out to be nothing special? It's just not worth it to trade the 1st pick. The risk is so much higher than the potential reward.

• 1992-Jun-30 Traded from Quebec Nordiques to Philadelphia Flyers for Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft and cash.
  I believe the package that Philadelphia gave was a good value. As you stated the Rangers package was even greater. I hope that we keep the pick, but if management is set on trading the pick or overwhelmed with an offer, I would like to believe it would be a massive overpay.

 

[Avery16]

Look at the actual Lindros trade though. It was a bunch of spare parts + Peter Forsberg. The two 1st round picks didn't turn into anything special. It only turned out in Quebec/Colorado's favor because Forsberg turned into a superstar himself and Lindros' career was derailed by injuries.

Imagine if Lindros was awarded to the Rangers instead. The Rangers' offer was arguably better because it can be seen as Alexei Kovalev and Tony Amonte + spare parts vs. just Forsberg + spare parts. Kovelev was the equivalent of Forsberg at the time and Forsberg's career could have been like Kovalev's. And the Rangers traded Amonte anyway. They got one Cup in the end, but at what cost?

The point is, what if we get a Kovalev instead of a Forsberg and the draft picks turn out to be nothing special? It's just not worth it to trade the 1st pick. The risk is so much higher than the potential reward.

Doug Weight and John Vanbiesbrouck, aka "spare parts" would like a word

 

[NYR]

i disagree calling Ricci and Simon spare parts (i think of Simon when i watch Tom Wilson),
Duchesne had 10 more mostly good seasons after the trade, Hextall about 7 more including some deep playoff runs.
Picks are always a a gamble, (for the next 20 years Bruins 13OA,14OA,15OA in '15 only yielding Debrusk will be the cautionary tale)

but i get your point, take the (very most likely) sure thing

Simon was nothing more than a4th line thug.
Wilson.. While most hate him, is the new age enforcer and he's very effective at it.
He also has a lot more skill then given credit for.
He's a gamer when it's most important and personally, I'd kill to have him on this team.
Great player..

 

[Avery16]

Simon was nothing more than a4th line thug.
Wilson.. While most hate him, is the new age enforcer and he's very effective at it.
He also has a lot more skill then given credit for.
He's a gamer when it's most important and personally, I'd kill to have him on this team.
Great player..

That "4th line thug" scored 29 goals and 49 points in 1999-2000, not from the 4th line. Seven seasons scoring 10 or more goals, two All-Star game appearances, and a Stanley Cup.

 

[cwede]

Simon was nothing more than a4th line thug.
Wilson.. While most hate him, is the new age enforcer and he's very effective at it. He also has a lot more skill then given credit for. He's a gamer when it's most important and personally, I'd kill to have him on this team. Great player..

we recall Simon differently
Simon had a 29 goal season and 6 more double digit goal seasons
Only had 1 season where is +/- was lower than -4
sure, he wasn't a playmaker but could be an effective winger, as well as a deterrent
Been quite a while since a Ranger tough had a line like this

2003-04

New York Rangers

NHL

65

14

9

23

225

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[Clark Kellogg]

Montreal doesn't have the pieces to trade for the 1OA.

A mid 1st and a couple of nice, not fantastic prospects and roster players won't get it done.

True, but Montreal has future 1st round picks and prospects. We don’t need the Canadiens to win the bidding war, just to keep it going and up the bid.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Simon was nothing more than a4th line thug.
Wilson.. While most hate him, is the new age enforcer and he's very effective at it.
He also has a lot more skill then given credit for.
He's a gamer when it's most important and personally, I'd kill to have him on this team.
Great player..

I think you're letting Simon's incident with Hollweg obscure the rest of his career. Wilson is a far more thuggish player today than Simon ever was. If Wilson had to answer the bell to the heavyweights Simon took on in his day, he wouldn't be such a headhunter.