Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Edge]

I suppose yeah

But ultimately I would reckon DeAngelo being moved is financially motivated. I’m not sure anyone really wants to move him just to move him. That’s just the reality of a salary cap world

I think that the salary is a factor, but it's a nuanced factor that probably takes into account when contracts expire and where money is allocated.

In other words, a year from now, the Rangers would still have Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist on the right side, with the latter on an ELC.

But a year from now they won't have that same calibre of options down the middle, and probably not a kid on an ELC giving them that kind of production.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean if we move Chytil for H. Lindholm all of the sudden we have the worst group of centers in the league and have an overloaded defense.

There are other ways to remedy that.

Anyway,I think they would want a D over a F anyway.

 

[Rangers394]

So lets take other peoples garbage and then have to resign them for 5 mill a year. Makes sense.

Where did i say that? Not sure who suggested that. We are talking about centers right? Domi is a center who might be available. He's 25, not 35. There is no need to respond with sarcastic remarks when someone is trying to have a discussion.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I like Domi, but I feel like he's one of those guys the board has always lusted after. Maybe even dispite his shortcoming and flaws.

From a style stanndpoint, I think Domi could work here, though I do wonder if he's another guy who is more comfortable setting up the pins than knocking them down.

Personally, I really like Domi, but I wouldn’t expect him to be putting up 65-70 points every year. Probably closer to 45-50, with some peaks and valleys, and that’s ok with me. Overall I quite like his game and think he’d look good next to Panarin or Laf.

 

[Edge]

With our wingers, a set up man is probably perfect. If you look at his goals, a lot of them are hustle/garbage area goals similar to Stepan.

I think Domi, with the proper motivation could work. There's just other options that I think could work better, if they're out there.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd prefer Domi to Strome.

 

[aufheben]

There are other ways to remedy that.

Anyway,I think they would want a D over a F anyway.

They might have the F prospects but their actual group of forwards is brutal.

 

[broadwayblue]

I don't need to be a GM to know that. Lindholm has an amazing contract when paired with his production. The Flames would have to get a massive overpay to trade him. They have no rush to trade him. Why would they?
If I was the Flames GM, I wouldn't take ADA for Lindholm. The value is maybe there statistically, but cap wise it isn't.
From a Flames perspective I could see ADA + Car 1st for Lindholm, but that's pretty bad value for NYR to trade ADA for a winger that you hope can play center.

in which case maybe MTL adds a sweetener.

And for what it's worth, I'm in the 'keep ADA' bandwagon. But if you trade him, you trade him for the center. Domi should command less money than ADA and he'd flourish with our wingers.

You said the only trade that makes sense is for one guy. I never said anything about trading for him. My point is that neither of us are GMs, so we don't know what deals are out there, but it's silly to assume that there are no other options.

 

[Bluto]

Maybe not for DeAngelo... but if we could procure him for Buch + small add. Yes.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'd prefer Domi to Strome.

I'd prefer Strome to Strome.

 

[Edge]

Personally, I really like Domi, but I wouldn’t expect him to be putting up 65-70 points every year. Probably closer to 45-50, with some peaks and valleys, and that’s ok with me. Overall I quite like his game and think he’d look good next to Panarin or Laf.

I think Domi could do well here, there's just more risk involved. But IMO, he's also a player that can be a bit of a panda.

He can do very well in the right environment, with the right support system. But, if you alter that environment, I think the impact on him is more drastic.

 

[JimmyG89]

Domi is on the 4th line because he won't play wing. Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, and Danualt are preferred by Julien, so he's on the 4th line.

Domi fits what they need. Different kind of player, more physical. He might be more of a passer, but I'm not too concerned with that.

 

[Rangers394]

Domi is on the 4th line because he won't play wing. Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, and Danualt are preferred by Julien, so he's on the 4th line.

Domi fits what they need. Different kind of player, more physical. He might be more of a passer, but I'm not too concerned with that.

Nah, according to someone here, he's useless garbage.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d be pretty happy adding Domi but ADA is not who I’m comfortable moving for him. Buch or Strome? Sure. I’d be curious to know Montreal’s reaction to Strome going the other way. Domi has a big yer last year followed by a down year. Strome has a big year this year. Both RFA’s. Both can play wing or center. Similar in age. I think long term I’d prefer Domi if they could get him signed for 4-5 years.

 

[Edge]

I swear someone brought up Hampus Lindholm as well.

So, to make this really confusing, the answer is yes they did.

He was the original topic. I mis-understood and thought people were talking Elias and reminded everyone that he came up in talks. That sent us down this rabbit hole.

 

[mike14]

I think Domi could do well here, there's just more risk involved. But IMO, he's also a player that can be a bit of a panda.

He can do very well in the right environment, with the right support system. But, if you alter that environment, I think the impact on him is more drastic.

This is a brilliant description
Stealing it for work!

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think that the salary is a factor, but it's a nuanced factor that probably takes into account when contracts expire and where money is allocated.

In other words, a year from now, the Rangers would still have Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist on the right side, with the latter on an ELC.

But a year from now they won't have that same calibre of options down the middle, and probably not a kid on an ELC giving them that kind of production.

Right that makes sense

You mentioned the board seems to be undervaluing Tony, I’m curious what you believe would be an appropriate return for him?

Like are we talking a Provorov type defenseman coming back, an elite forward?

Again that’s even if they decide to trade him

 

[Edge]

Plus, Strome can also move to RW in the interim.

I get that no one has Strome penciled into the lineup for 10 years or envisions him centering a second line on a dynasty. But unless his contract demands are insane, or the Rangers end up in dire straits with the cap, I don't view moving him as a "must do" item on our list.

If he gets moved, he gets moved. Hopefully we can get a nice return.

But if he comes back on a reasonable contract, I'm perfectly fine with that as well. Let Chytil bump him from the second line, let someone else bump him from a right wing spot. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He is garbage if hes making 5 mill and we gotta move someone to get him and then someone else down the road because we can't afford him. I swear, everyone here bashes what the Rangers always did going after big name players instead of drafting and paying your own only to turn around and become an instant hypocrite by suggesting a day after we win the draft lottery that we acquire a struggling smallish player on an expiring contract based on his fathers name and one good season in the nhl. Smh

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

RangerSperm is already taken.

How about RangerTwinkleInHisEye?

 

[Edge]

Right that makes sense

You mentioned the board seems to be undervaluing Tony, I’m curious what you believe would be an appropriate return for him?

Like are we talking a Provorov type defenseman coming back, an elite forward?

Again that’s even if they decide to trade him

If it's one for one, you have to get an impact player back. Doesn't necessarily have to match the offense, but you either have to find a really nice blend, or someone who has a similar impact on the defensive side of things --- a human eraser if you will.

If you can't find that one for one, then you have to find a blend that makes your team better and guys who fit what you're building.

So if I can't find a LD with a similar impact, than I need to find forwards who do, or a package that brings that.

And when I say package, I don't mean a bunch of spare parts. I mean an actual 1-2 punch that improves the roster.

 

[Rangers394]

Thats what he is, an expiring contract that will require around 5 mill to resign

He is if hes making 5 mill and we gotta move someone to get him and then someone else down the road because we can't afford him. I swear, everyone here bashes what the Rangers always did going after big name players instead of drafting and paying your own only to turn around and become an instant hypocrite by suggesting a day after we win the draft lottery that we acquire a struggling smallish player on an expiring contract based on his fathers name and one good season in the nhl. Smh

Lol not even wasting my time.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Leetch3]

I'd prefer Domi to Strome.

I wouldn't trade ADA for both stromes so saying that doesn't change that it would be a terrible deal lol

 

[Ghost of jas]

I get that no one has Strome penciled into the lineup for 10 years or envisions him centering a second line on a dynasty. But unless his contract demands are insane, or the Rangers end up in dire straits with the cap, I don't view moving him as a "must do" item on our list.

If he gets moved, he gets moved. Hopefully we can get a nice return.

But if he comes back on a reasonable contract, I'm perfectly fine with that as well. Let Chytil bump him from the second line, let someone else bump him from a right wing spot. I don't have a problem with that.

There’s a part of me that wants to simply maximize his value. I don’t want to commit to him long-term. But, I recognize the year he had and how productive he was. And, I can see Kakko moving up to that line, and possibly making it more productive. I don’t think 2C is as essential to be upgraded as LD, especially with the line-driving type of wingers the Rangers have.