Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Bluto]

Are you a GM? How do you know who might be available? Seriously, I have no idea who they could get for him...or if he is even being shopped. But to say any of us know what the options are is just silly.

I don't need to be a GM to know that. Lindholm has an amazing contract when paired with his production. The Flames would have to get a massive overpay to trade him. They have no rush to trade him. Why would they?
If I was the Flames GM, I wouldn't take ADA for Lindholm. The value is maybe there statistically, but cap wise it isn't.
From a Flames perspective I could see ADA + Car 1st for Lindholm, but that's pretty bad value for NYR to trade ADA for a winger that you hope can play center.

Domi was playing on the 4th line in the playoffs. I don't think he has the value that ADA does.

in which case maybe MTL adds a sweetener.

And for what it's worth, I'm in the 'keep ADA' bandwagon. But if you trade him, you trade him for the center. Domi should command less money than ADA and he'd flourish with our wingers.

 

[Irishguy42]

Dunn

The more I think about this, the more I'm wondering why STL would do it.

 

[Edge]

Flames would be stupid to trade Lindholm but I’m sure the Rangers would be more than willing to jump on that grenade and take him off their hands

You could make the same claim about the Rangers though.

Who trades a 24 year old, RHD, who scored at an 18 goal 64 point pace, and has scored at roughly a 60 point pace for a year-and-a-half?

I mean technically, ADA scored one last point as a defenseman than Lindholm did as a top six forward. And he played two less games.

 

[aufheben]

I thought we were looking for a LD to play top minutes with Trouba. If Dunn can't do that, and barring a breakup of the Lindgren/Fox pairing, how much are we paying for a LD that will get third-pairing minutes?

1) acquiring a legit #1/#2 D is unrealistic 2) we need multiple LD.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean this is definitely very good, and very much what we need, but I'm afraid of the cost and he's a UFA in a couple of years.

While true, we do kind of need to strike soon.

It doesn't have to be next year, but definitely the next year before Zib UFA/Kakko and Fox RFA.

They aren't f***ed if they don't win by then and they shouldn't completely sell off all of their prospects, but their biggest holes will still be their biggest holes even if they remain patient. Maybe better options become available but waiting too long would almost be worse than trying to go all in now.

 

[aufheben]

While true, we do kind of need to strike soon.

It doesn't have to be next year, but definitely the next year before Zib UFA/Kakko and Fox RFA.

They aren't f***ed if they don't win by then and they shouldn't completely sell off all of their prospects, but their biggest holes will still be their biggest holes even if they remain patient. Maybe better options become available but waiting too long would almost be worse than trying to go all in now.

Honestly I don’t know if we have the pieces to get Lindholm.

 

[Edge]

I don't need to be a GM to know that. Lindholm has an amazing contract when paired with his production. The Flames would have to get a massive overpay to trade him. They have no rush to trade him. Why would they?
If I was the Flames GM, I wouldn't take ADA for Lindholm. The value is maybe there statistically, but cap wise it isn't.
From a Flames perspective I could see ADA + Car 1st for Lindholm, but that's pretty bad value for NYR to trade ADA for a winger that you hope can play center.



in which case maybe MTL adds a sweetener.

And for what it's worth, I'm in the 'keep ADA' bandwagon. But if you trade him, you trade him for the center. Domi should command less money than ADA and he'd flourish with our wingers.

I do think, as a board, we seriously under-estimate ADA's production and value as a RHD. We may have four very good or potentially very good RHD, but most of the league does not.

I don't think the cap is too much of a concern where this swap would be concerned.

As for that winger, he switched to RW to play on their top line, and has taken more than 5,000 faceoffs over the last several years and won about 54 percent of them.

I will admit that it's kind of funny that so many members of this board (not you) talk about moving a list of players from the wing to center, because they think it might work. Then, when we have a guy who actually takes faceoffs and has played center, suddenly he's only a wing.

 

[Edge]

Honestly I don’t know if we have the pieces to get Lindholm.

We have A LOT of pieces. What do you think the value is?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Honestly I don’t know if we have the pieces to get Lindholm.

We have arguably the deepest farm in the league, an additional 1st and a team that is looking to rebuild.

Maybe they don't want to move him, but if they do, we have the pieces.

 

[aufheben]

We have A LOT of pieces. What do you think the value is?

I mean we have a late 1st and a bunch of D prospects, then Buchnevich and ADA.

 

[aufheben]

We have arguably the deepest farm in the league, an additional 1st and a team that is looking to rebuild.

Maybe they don't want to move him, but if they do, we have the pieces.

We’re not deep at forward—excluding the untouchables obviously. What if they want a forward prospect?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We’re not deep at forward—excluding the untouchables obviously. What if they want a forward prospect?

I'd move one off the roster who isn't Kakko.

 

[Thirty One]

Thought this quote was interesting from J.D.:

Lebrun: It’s funny, after you guys won the lottery, J.D., Rangers fans I noticed on social media immediately pondered the possibility of moving down to 2 because they feel you need a center more than a winger. I’ll let you tackle that if you want. The possibility of that.

J.D.: Yeah, that’s a great question. There’s a lot of general managers in the New York area that wear Rangers jerseys. You know, it’s interesting all this stuff. When You get there and you’re going to get the number one pick, it opens up a whole lot of different thoughts and ideas. And you know I think most teams when they get the number one pick it’s generally a player that is a very, very good player so you don’t mess with it at all. But it opens up the avenues to do other things throughout your organization.

 

[Trxjw]

Lindholm and Domi are both interesting options for that 2C spot. Definitely fits into the idea of diversifying your forward group a little bit and the fact that both can play the wing as well is also a nice fall-back. Though I think Domi wanting to stay at center is one of the reasons he fell down the lineup in Montreal. He also seems to be better at center as opposed to Lindholm who is 50/50.

As far as Hampus goes, I think we definitely have the pieces. What I can't see is the incentive for Anaheim to deal him.

 

[pld459666]

I'm still in shock ladies and gents.

Like, legit shock

 

[Bluto]

I do think, as a board, we seriously under-estimated ADA's production and value as a RHD. We may have four very good or potentially very good RHD, but most of the league does not.

I don't think the cap is too much of a concern where this swap would be concerned.

As for that winger, he switched to RW to play on their top line, and has taken more than 5,000 faceoffs over the last several years and won about 54 percent of them.

I will admit that it's kind of funny that so many members of this board (not you) talk about moving a list of players from the wing to center, because they think it might work. Then, when we have a guy who actually takes faceoffs and has played center, suddenly he's only a wing.

Certainly this board criminally underrates DeAngelo. He's worth a Yandle return.
And you're right, Lindholm would do well here. It's not like with Nylander where it's an actual gamble if he can play center; Lindholm can and is defensively sound.
But I just don't think the Flames sell him for ADA. It doesn't make sense for them.
In reality, I haven't seen a single proposal, not even my Domi proposal, that I really love for ADA. I'd much rather keep him
As for LD, I want to see what Miller brings. Hajek, Jones, and Reunanen are also coming up so one of them is bound to stick. I don't see the urgency in the LD department. I think we have a nice collection of pieces there.

Now if MTL wanted to do Buch and a small add for Domi, I wouldn't think twice about it.

 

[Edge]

I mean we have a late 1st and a bunch of D prospects, then Buchnevich and ADA.

And I realize the tone could be lost in what I typed.

It wasn't accusatory. I am curious as to how you would rate Lindholm's value.

 

[aufheben]

I'd move one off the roster who isn't Kakko.

So Chytil?

 

[aufheben]

And I realize the tone could be lost in what I typed.

It wasn't accusatory. I am curious as to how you would rate Lindholm's value.

Probably a top-15/-10 draft pick + Lundkvist

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Thought this quote was interesting from J.D.:

Lebrun: It’s funny, after you guys won the lottery, J.D., Rangers fans I noticed on social media immediately pondered the possibility of moving down to 2 because they feel you need a center more than a winger. I’ll let you tackle that if you want. The possibility of that.

J.D.: Yeah, that’s a great question. There’s a lot of general managers in the New York area that wear Rangers jerseys. You know, it’s interesting all this stuff. When You get there and you’re going to get the number one pick, it opens up a whole lot of different thoughts and ideas. And you know I think most teams when they get the number one pick it’s generally a player that is a very, very good player so you don’t mess with it at all. But it opens up the avenues to do other things throughout your organization.

We're moving a roster forward.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So Chytil?

Yup.

They kind of need D though looking at their system. Their top guys are forwards.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I'm still in shock ladies and gents.

Like, legit shock

I’ve watched the lottery video like 20 times at least, it still makes me feel absolutely giddy and I just start laughing every single time I see it.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Like I said before in this thread, the only trade that makes sense is ADA for Domi.

I think ADA is slightly overvalued here, but this feels like a significant undervalue for Tony. I commented on Domi in a previous thread, but the mystique of Max Domi outshines the actual play of Max Domi. His best years were the first at each stop. He faced steady declines each subsequent year, asked to be moved (allegedly at each stop), and honestly hasn't had an impressive point total in any single year to justify the return of an offensive RD.

It's a pass on Domi in general, let alone for Tony.

 

[Edge]

Thought this quote was interesting from J.D.:

Lebrun: It’s funny, after you guys won the lottery, J.D., Rangers fans I noticed on social media immediately pondered the possibility of moving down to 2 because they feel you need a center more than a winger. I’ll let you tackle that if you want. The possibility of that.

J.D.: Yeah, that’s a great question. There’s a lot of general managers in the New York area that wear Rangers jerseys. You know, it’s interesting all this stuff. When You get there and you’re going to get the number one pick, it opens up a whole lot of different thoughts and ideas. And you know I think most teams when they get the number one pick it’s generally a player that is a very, very good player so you don’t mess with it at all. But it opens up the avenues to do other things throughout your organization.

I think they're going to listen. You never know what someone offers up and it doesn't cost you a dime.

Personally, I am curious to see what rumors pop up.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Thinking Lindholm's value is probably similar to what McDonagh brought back, although the value won't be exact since the Miller/Namestnikov component is included in that one.