Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

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Listening to JD, I think it's almost a given that they don't. He's far and away the best player in this draft, and frankly, he'll likely end up the best 1OA since McDavid. He brings the total package, which includes leadership. He's the next captain. Frankly, and this going sound like heresy, but watching his highlights, I get a Messier vibe, in a lot of different ways, including the possibility of him actually being a center at the NHL level.
Yea I have to agree here. Again I totally get where @eco's bones is coming from about Brady Tkachuk, but Lafreniere is just a level above Tkachuk and everyone within his draft class. Maybe even 2 or 3 levels above, but time will tell on that. By all accounts and clips, this kid just has “it” and he has a thirst for winning. That hunger will always push him to raise his game. I am not saying the others don’t or won’t have it, its just a different manifestation with certain players.

I don’t think OTT offers more than packages of Tkachuck/#3 or #3/#5 and that just doesn’t even begin to peak my interest for a potential franchise changing, generational player. I have said it before, the only package I start with consideration is Tkachuk/#3/#5. And even then I can’t completely guarantee there would be a yes because of the impact Lafreniere can have now and longterm. He just has this feel to him that he will be perfect for the bright lights of Broadway. There is a much lesser guarantee for the finished products of Byfield, Stutzle, Drysdale, etc. I think they all end up being solid NHLers, but how long before that takes shape? The Rangers have a lot of the right core pieces right now for the next 3-5 years. They have more youth coming on defense and soon. They have a lot of assets to get that 1B Center OR top pair LD. Although I’d like to cut loose Staal and Smith, bring in Dillon, and let Miller fly under the radar easing his way in on the 3rd pair. Hajek, Jones, Robertson, Lundkvist, to name a few, all inching closer.

I just think the pick should be Lafreniere and less they are absolutely blown away. JG didnt want to show his hand, but JD certainly was gushing over Lafreniere... and I think it gives it away as to what they intend to do.
 
There’s a part of me that wants to simply maximize his value. I don’t want to commit to him long-term. But, I recognize the year he had and how productive he was. And, I can see Kakko moving up to that line, and possibly making it more productive. I don’t think 2C is as essential to be upgraded as LD, especially with the line-driving type of wingers the Rangers have.

I get that, and admitedly I agree with it.

My concern, if we can call it that, is Strome has chemistry with Panarin and our team. Granted Panarin makes him a 20 goal 65 point player, but even before that Strome looked good after coming over from Edmonton.

I'm not really sure what his trade market value is, but I'm sure it's not a windfall. It's probably a solid return at this point, but I'm not sure there's a ton of fluctuation if he gets phased out next year and we go to move him. Like I don't think anyone is offering a top 10 pick this year and only a second rounder next year.

Based on that, I kind of wonder if his value here, either as a player with chemistry or as a stop-gap, might be worth more than the return we get from trading him.
 
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It would cost more than Buch, I can tell you that much.
Buch + ADA for Lindholm + Hanifin.
I’ll throw an idea out there...DeAngelo and Buch for Hanifan and Lindholm...the Rangers get the two exact players they need to fill their lineup.
EDIT: Okay, NVM, someone else beat me to the idea by 4 hours...
 
I get that, and admitedly I agree with it.

My concern, if we can call it that, is Strome has chemistry with Panarin and our team. Granted Panarin makes him a 20 goal 65 point player, but even before that Strome looked good after coming over from Edmonton.

I'm not really sure what his trade market value is, but I'm not sure it's a windfall. It's probably a solid return at this point, but I'm not sure there's a ton of fluctuation if he gets phased out next year and we go to move him. Like I don't think anyone is offering a top 10 pick this year and only a second rounder next year.

Based on that, I kind of wonder if his value here, either as a player with chemistry or as a stop-gap, might be worth more than the return we get from trading him.

And it’s why I feel like if a forward is getting moved, Buchnevich is the most likely candidate, since there is likely more interest in him, and he probably has more value.
 
do people not watch this guy play? I really don’t get it. Do they expect guys playing 25 mins a night in all situations not to get beat or turn pucks over ever? Guy was our best player against Carolina when we had to play big boy hockey. That’s why he’s here.
I mean this is exactly my feelings as well. Trouba certainly wasn’t perfect but he made his presence known. When we had to play big boy hockey, his experience doing that with Winnipeg stood out compared to our youth. He was our most effective defenseman and was prepared for the physical, in your face, constant pressure and pace of the game. Meanwhile the rest of our defense was constantly being turned around and not able to able to adapt to the flow of the game. Not able to adjust. Trouba looked like shutdown go-to guy to lead the group of 6. Trouba is here for the playoffs. He isnt going anywhere.
 
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Ha, you're trading Tony Amonte all over again.

I love American Buch but not sure how this comparison applies to the trade idea behind tossed around... @jas and @Edge aren't discussing trading buch for 3rd line plugs. the discussed deal would return elias lindholm who is also 25 years old (4 months older than buch).

this year lindholm had 29-25-54 to buch's 16-30-46. so you are losing nothing offensively up front
 
If it's one for one, you have to get an impact player back. Doesn't necessarily have to match the offense, but you either have to find a really nice blend, or someone who has a similar impact on the defensive side of things --- a human eraser if you will.

If you can't find that one for one, then you have to find a blend that makes your team better and guys who fit what you're building.

So if I can't find a LD with a similar impact, than I need to find forwards who do, or a package that brings that.

And when I say package, I don't mean a bunch of spare parts. I mean an actual 1-2 punch that improves the roster.
That definitely gives a better idea for me personally

So for example Nurse + 14th might interest Gorton.

Following that train of thought with Calgary (because we’re talking about them) like Lindholm + something else ? I don’t know what that something else would be though lol
 
I mean this is exactly my feelings as well. Trouba certainly wasn’t perfect but he made his presence known. When we had to play big boy hockey, his experience doing that with Winnipeg stood out compared to our youth. He was our most effective defenseman and was prepared for the physical, in your face, constant pressure and pace of the game. Meanwhile the rest of our defense was constantly being turned around and not able to able to adapt to the flow of the game. Not able to adjust. Trouba looked like shutdown go-to guy to lead the group of 6. Trouba is here for the playoffs. He isnt going anywhere.

To me, Trouba's value is that he allows the other RD to do their thing. I honestly think that if you take him our of the equation, both ADA and Fox will feel it.

Make no mistake, they'd still be great young players. But there would be a very clear impact on how they're used, how their weaknesses are exploited, and how they perform.

I have very little doubt about that.
 
You would be because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Ok, i'll try.

i don't want to trade any YOUNG PROSPECTS or YOUNG PLAYERS currently on the team, ok? If you know our team, i'm sure you know who i'm not trading. It should be obvious. If it's not then look at my posts.

Strome, DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Carolina 1st, i would be open to moving pieces like that since Strome might cost too much, same for DeAngelo and Kravstov will likely replace Buch soon, hopefully very soon. And the Carolina 1st is an unknown.

If Domi is on the table, a 40 point center who you say is garbage because he's on the 4th line but another user said why that is happening, i would be interested because maybe, just maybe, we can get him on the right track like we have done before and we won't have to move much for him. Do i give up a lot for him? No.

i'm all about buying low and maybe we can buy low on Domi and maybe he turns into a 50-60 point center aka Brassard 2.0. Maybe he sucks and we end up moving him in another deal. You act like it's such a bad idea, what are the other options? We all want Newhook, Cirelli, those guys might not be available so what magical cost controlled center are we getting without giving up any top prospects or top young players?

My 1st choice would be to trade up for our future 2c and roll with Strome for a few seasons, fwiw. I was just throwing out a name. If Lias didn't f*** us, we wouldn't be talking about this.

and i don't give a shit who his dad was. That's pretty ignorant to tell people not to mention Domi because of his dad or if Domi wasn't his name, nobody would mention him. Wtf?
 
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To me, Trouba's value is that he allows the other RD to their thing. I honestly think that if you take him our of the equation, both ADA and Fox will feel it.

Make no mistake, they'd still be great young players, but there would be a very clear impact on how they're used, how their weaknesses are exploited, and how they perform.

I have very little doubt about that.

Again, as we’ve been saying, constructing this team is going to be putting together a puzzle. There’s another example of it.
 
This....now can we please stop trying to get players based on their name value

His linemates are Dale Weise and Alex Belzile. If you know who that last guy is without looking him up, you're insane.

If he was centering the Rangers extra forwards he'd have better linemates. Sometimes the fit for the player is not there for a player. He's clearly talented.

You know who had a lot of these things said too, guys like Strome and DeAngelo.
 
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That definitely gives a better idea for me personally

So for example Nurse + 14th might interest Gorton.

Following that train of thought with Calgary (because we’re talking about them) like Lindholm + something else ? I don’t know what that something else would be though lol

And that's ultimately where a lot of these discussions come from.

I can tell you that Lindholm wasn't an automatic no, or subject-changer for Calgary.

But that leaves a lot to the imagination.

And for all I know, while the Rangers really like Lindholm, they might be inclined to give up ADA in a deal for him. That could've been what put everything on hold last time.
 
And that's ultimately where a lot of these discussions come from.

I can tell you that Lindholm wasn't an automatic no, or subject-changer for Calgary.

But that leaves a lot to the imagination.

And for all I know, while the Rangers really like Lindholm, they might be inclined to give up ADA in a deal for him. That could've been what put everything on hold last time.

Sure, keep doing this to me.
 
Again, as we’ve been saying, constructing this team is going to be putting together a puzzle. There’s another example of it.

Drafting a player and assembling a team is about more than just straight-up skills. It's about finding the right recipe or combination.

That's why some very talented prospects don't last in the NHL, and why some very talented teams don't last in the playoffs.
 
To me, Trouba's value is that he allows the other RD to their thing. I honestly think that if you take him our of the equation, both ADA and Fox will feel it.

Make no mistake, they'd still be great young players, but there would be a very clear impact on how they're used, how their weaknesses are exploited, and how they perform.

I have very little doubt about that.
Another fantastic point.

I think the Trouba haters just assume Fox and DeAngelo’s play/production this year is exclusive of Trouba’s effect on them. They make the determination that these young offensive minded defenseman would be just fine and would have produced just the same if Trouba wasn’t not here. But it is just blind ignorance. The truth is Trouba insulate those guys taking on the main role for the team. Even if Lindgren-Fox took on tough assignments as the year went on, having Trouba to begin with helped Fox transition into the NHL and allowed him to navigate the NHL competition. And even still now Trouba takes on the role of leader, protector, mentor, etc, for these young defenseman.

I would be shocked, absolutely shocked, if they moved him after coveting him for so long for those reasons above and more.
 
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