Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Shesterkybomb]

Ok, i'll try.

i don't want to trade any YOUNG PROSPECTS or YOUNG PLAYERS currently on the team, ok? If you know our team, i'm sure you know who i'm not trading. It should be obvious. If it's not then look at my posts.

Strome, DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Carolina 1st, i would be open to moving pieces like that since Strome might cost too much, same for DeAngelo and Kravstov will likely replace Buch soon, hopefully very soon. And the Carolina 1st is an unknown.

If Domi is on the table, a 40 point center who you say is garbage because he's on the 4th line but another user said why that is happening, i would be interested because maybe, just maybe, we can get him on the right track like we have done before and we won't have to move much for him. Do i give up a lot for him? No.

i'm all about buying low and maybe we can buy low on Domi and maybe he turns into a 50-60 point center. Maybe he sucks and we end up moving him in another deal. You act like it's such a bad idea, what are the other options? We all want Newhook, Cirelli, those guys might not be available so what magical cost controlled center are we getting without giving up any top prospects or top young players?

My 1st choice would be to trade up for our future 2c and roll with Strome for a few seasons, fwiw. I was just throwing out a name.

The problem is that you have to give up assets to get him, then you have to resign him, and knowing what we know of the domi family, that won't be cheap. So say you give up our 1st for him then sign him for 4.5 to 5 million, well thats more than buying low, you just handed a 1st away and then loaded up our cap on a gamble that he will elevate himself in a superior lineup when all he can garner on a thin montreal lineup is 4th line minutes. Do you see the problem? Why wouldnt you just either draft a center with the 1st, one who is cost controlled for 5 years or trade that pick for a known commodity thats cost controlled? Or maybe you just accept that Strome is a suitable stop gap until a center we actually know and like comes along that makes sense. Everyone is in too much of a hurry here, we might have our 2c already in Chytil or Barron and then we aquire Domi and have him hanging around for 4 or 5 years on an overpaid deal behind better players like he is doing in montreal. This is such a Sather thing to do.

 

[Edge]

Another fantastic point.

I think the Trouba haters just assume Fox and DeAngelo’s play/production this year is exclusive of Trouba’s effect on them. They make the determination that these young offensive minded defenseman would be just fine and would have produced just the same if Trouba wasn’t not here. But it is just blind ignorance. The truth is Trouba insulate those guys taking on the main role for the team. Even if Lindgren-Fox took on tough assignments as the year went on, having Trouba to begin with helped Fox transition into the NHL and allowed him to navigate the NHL competition. And even still now Trouba takes on the role of leader, protector, mentor, etc, for these young defenseman.

I would be shocked, absolutely shocked, if they moved him after coveting him for so long for those reasons above and more.

I can tell you I've never heard even a grumbling about Trouba from the Rangers, or any indication from other sources that they think the Rangers are unhappy and looking to move him.

The reality is, if we're looking for the most likely RD candidates to be moved in the next 18 months, you're looking at ADA or Lundkvist.

I get that some people will not like hearing that, but that's the straight shot.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Haha, would it help if I start throwing out names we've had no connection with and who haven't come up in conversation with other teams?

Alright you pain in the ass, "I'll take Barkov to the Rangers for a thousand, Alex."

But back to Lindholm, if you go back to one of the roster building threads when we were speculating about moving Stepan, I do remember suggesting Lindholm as a possible target in a trade.

 

[Rangers394]

The problem is that you have to give up assets to get him, then you have to resign him, and knowing what we know of the domi family, that won't be cheap. So say you give up our 1st for him then sign him for 4.5 to 5 million, well thats more than buying low, you just handed a 1st away and then loaded up our cap on a gamble that he will elevate himself in a superior lineup when all he can garner on a thin montreal lineup is 4th line minutes. Do you see the problem? Why wouldnt you just either draft a center with the 1st, one who is cost controlled for 5 years or trade that pick for a known commodity thats cost controlled? Or maybe you just accept that Strome is a suitable stop gap until a center we actually know and like comes along that makes sense.

I'm not moving a 1st for him specifically, i meant i would be open to moving it in general.

If Domi costs a 1st then no thanks since his contract comes into play, it lowers his value a lot. I told you what my plan is, trade up for a center we really like and then in 1-2 years, Strome goes and the center takes over, unless Chytil takes the job which would be great.

 

[Bluto]

I can tell you I've never heard even a grumbling about Trouba from the Rangers, or any indication from other sources that they think the Rangers are unhappy and looking to move him.

The reality is, if we're looking for the most likely RD candidates to be moved in the next 18 months, you're looking at ADA or Lundkvist.

I get that some people will not like hearing that, but that's the straight shot.

I'd rather trade Lundkvist at that juncture and keep the proven asset.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Offer sheet Cirelli at 6 long term, trade Strome/Smith to OTT for Reilly/Garborik/decent 2nd, trade Georgie to CHI for 2nd, sign LD Bitetto at 800k, Buy out Staal

Pan Cirelli Kakko
Laf Zibs Buch
Krieder Chytil Krav
Lemmy Howton Gauthier
DiG
Lindgren Fox
Reilly Trouba
Bitetto/Hajek ADA

1.5ish under cap

 

[Edge]

But back to Lindholm, if you go back to one of the roster building threads when we were speculating about moving Stepan, I do remember suggesting Lindholm as a possible target in a trade.

Rangers have liked him from his Carolina days. His success in Calgary is not a surprise to those in the organization.

Though in a round-about way, there would be a certain irony if a pieces, or both pieces of the Stepan trade ended up being moved for Lindholm 3 or 4 years later.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

@Edge do you think there’s a better chance ADA/Lundkvist is moved for roster upgrades this offseason or next offseason

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm not moving a 1st for him specifically, i meant i would be open to moving it in general.

If Domi costs a 1st then no thanks since his contract comes into play, it lowers his value a lot. I told you what my plan is, trade up for a center we really like and then in 1-2 years, Strome goes and the center takes over, unless Chytil takes the job which would be great.

Exactly, then why are we even discussing aquiring Domi? All he does is take up cap space on this team.

 

[Rangers394]

Exactly, then why are we even discussing aquiring Domi? All he does is take up cap space on this team.

Because there is nothing else to talk about? Don't participate in the discussion if you don't like it

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I do think, as a board, we seriously under-estimated ADA's production and value as a RHD. We may have four very good or potentially very good RHD, but most of the league does not.

I don't think the cap is too much of a concern where this swap would be concerned.

As for that winger, he switched to RW to play on their top line, and has taken more than 5,000 faceoffs over the last several years and won about 54 percent of them.

I will admit that it's kind of funny that so many members of this board (not you) talk about moving a list of players from the wing to center, because they think it might work. Then, when we have a guy who actually takes faceoffs and has played center, suddenly he's only a wing.

I think this has more to do with the fact that there has been such a robust debate about trading him for so long, because it has been so apparent for so long that someone – most likely him – will have to be moved, that it feels like he's "just" a trade chip, rather than most of us actually lowballing his value.

Speaking for myself personally, I fully expect him to get moved in the next 0-24 months... and I fully expect the Rangers to get PAID when it happens.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Rangers have liked him from his Carolina days. His success in Calgary is not a surprise to those in the organization.

Though in a round-about way, there would be a certain irony if a pieces, or both pieces of the Stepan trade ended up being moved for Lindholm 3 or 4 years later.

The Stepan/Brassard trades are such masterpieces

Fantasic foresight on Gorton’s part. It isn’t easy to part with a 1-2 center punch that lead your team to a cup final. He moved Stepan right before he declined and his contract became an issue, and he moved Brassard right before he declined, and the value in return is IMMENSELY disproportionate to what he gave up. Getting ADA, Mika, and the 7th pick for Brassard, Stepan, and Raanta is insane.

 

[Edge]

I'd rather trade Lundkvist at that juncture and keep the proven asset.

And that might be an option as well, depending on the team.

ADA and Lundkvist will appeal to different teams looking for different benefits.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Rangers have liked him from his Carolina days. His success in Calgary is not a surprise to those in the organization.

Though in a round-about way, there would be a certain irony if a pieces, or both pieces of the Stepan trade ended up being moved for Lindholm 3 or 4 years later.

I see what you’re doing there.

 

[Edge]

@Edge do you think there’s a better chance ADA/Lundkvist is moved for roster upgrades this offseason or next offseason

In a pandemic, I am really hesitant to expect too much this off-season. I think teams are really waiting for see how things shape up. Deals can and will still happen, but I don't expect a wave of them.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Because there is nothing else to talk about? Don't participate in the discussion if you don't like it

All kinds of things to talk about, Lafrienerre, Miller, Lindqvist, global warming, covid, luchidor wrestlers, all of them are better topics than discussing pulling a Sather a couple years into the rebuild.

 

[Edge]

I think this has more to do with the fact that there has been such a robust debate about trading him for so long, because it has been so apparent for so long that someone – most likely him – will have to be moved, that it feels like he's "just" a trade chip, rather than most of us actually lowballing his value.

Speaking for myself personally, I fully expect him to get moved in the next 0-24 months... and I fully expect the Rangers to get PAID when it happens.

Lundqvist will enter next sesaon as one of the top defensive prospects not playing in the NHL. If he builds on that, and keeps progressing, it's going to be very hard for the Rangers to not want to take advantage of that talent on an ELC and turn down the return that someone like ADA can bring.

 

[Rangers394]

All kinds of things to talk about, Lafrienerre, Miller, Lindqvist, global warming, covid, luchidor wrestlers, all of them are better topics than discussing pulling a Sather a couple years into the rebuild.

I think i'd rather talk about Lafreniere. Every thread will only be about him from here until he retires. Good with you?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lundqvist will enter next sesaon as one of the top defensive prospects not playing in the NHL. If he builds on that, and keeps progressing, it's going to be very hard for the Rangers to not want to take advantage of that talent on an ELC and turn down the return that someone like ADA can bring.

This has been my position for a while, trade from your position of strength to add to areas of need.

 

[Edge]

I see what you’re doing there.

Yes.

 

[Edge]

I think i'd rather talk about Lafreniere. Every thread will only be about him from here until he retires. Good with you?

Sure, hit me. What do you wanna discuss?

 

[Edge]

This has been my position for a while, trade from your position of strength to add to areas of need.

I am firm believer that talent will always help you land talent. You can never have too much of it, even if it's concentrated at one position.

 

[Leetch3]

I'd rather trade Lundkvist at that juncture and keep the proven asset.

the unproven asset is going to be worth less in a trade. plus you also have to factor in the value of cap space...if the cap wasn't a factor I don't think anyone would be discussing moving Tony D. but Nils on a ELC while also filling another need is probably the smart move.

 

[Edge]

I see what you’re doing there.

And you remember some of that Bennett chit-chat stuff from six months back.

So again, some of these concepts and names are not unchartered territory for our front office.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Sure, hit me. What do you wanna discuss?

What night will his jersey be retired?