Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Shesterkybomb]

Being harder to play against doesn't mean adding tough guys. A perfect example is Fast, he is hard to play against, he doesn't have to be a giant or a tough guy for this to happen. Alexis is hard to play against. Gauthier and Kreider, should be harder to play against given their physical attributes.

 

[charliemurphy]

Yes, but recent events have changed those pairings. I would tend to go with:

Laf-Zib
Bread-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil

Rotate different centers and wings as needed. Strome gets a default spot, but giving different guys looks at times ie Chytil would be good. That said, I think Kreider can really help Chytil's game. Those two can play with size and speed in a way that creates chances for each other.

This also allows guys like Zibs and Kreider to mentor talented young kids and lead their own unit everytime that they are out there, and let the Breadman do his thing. IMO this + 2 open slots on the 4th line, along with a 18-20 minute a night 5v5 LHD makes the Rangers a 4-5 seed and a dark horse contender next season from a player personnel perspective.

Now I'm trying to imagine Gorton putting a lot on the table to move up and get Lundell. Those pairs would become complete lines in a season or two if players like Kravstov and Gauthier come through and Strome and Buch are traded.
Juggle all you want with this top 9...

Panarin-Zib-Kravstov
Lafreniere-Lundell-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier

 

[bleedblue94]

Most coaches and managers prefer a lefty-righty pairing on defense. It’s not written in stone and it’s not always possible. There are more left hand defensemen in the hockey universe than righties.

The reason Trouba-DeAngelo doesn’t work isn’t because it’s righty-righty. It doesn’t work because Trouba is your best defensive defenseman, key penalty killer and matchup guy. DeAngelo is none of those things.

And in a league progressively looking at specific zone starts for certain players these two guys couldn't be further apart in the spectrum of how you would ideally use them based on how our d core is developing personnel wise. ada attached to staal was more about a puck mover being able to help staal get the puck out of the zone but the way you would typically use each player is completely different.

 

[Anthony5967]

Talking to my dad about this...what do you think? Too light, too much?

DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Chytil, CAR 1st for Barkov? Next year's 1, too?

 

[DanielBrassard]

In terms of the team being harder to play against, maybe this is the offseason Larry gets his wet dream fulfilled and they trade Buchnevich for Josh Anderson

Would be terrible

 

[Savant]

Now I'm trying to imagine Gorton putting a lot on the table to move up and get Lundell. Those pairs would become complete lines in a season or two if players like Kravstov and Gauthier come through and Strome and Buch are traded.
Juggle all you want with this top 9...

Panarin-Zib-Kravstov
Lafreniere-Lundell-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier

Lundell isn’t worth what it will cost to move up 15-20 spots

 

[duhmetreE]

Who are you taking out of the line to play that role? Who are you taking them out for?

Having Strome-Chytil at middle6 center is weak.

If Strome stays, Chytil goes to wing and Buchs traded. Established center is acquired.
If Chytil stays at C, Strome goes and a established Center is acquired.

Those are the two simplest ways to look at it but there a many possibilities.

Having Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Buch and Strome in a top9 will not be tough to play against. We need a balance to the lineup. We need complimenting pieces.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I’m very eager to see what they do at Center, as well as juggling Hank, Smith, and Staal. Cap space is tough, but they have assets to address needs if they have to.

Strome certainly wasn’t bad, and he has chemistry with Panarin, but I could also understand trying to get better and younger at the 2C spot.

I also think continuing to build the Bottom 6 is very important. Gauthier was a step in the right direction.

 

[duhmetreE]

Being harder to play against doesn't mean adding tough guys. A perfect example is Fast, he is hard to play against, he doesn't have to be a giant or a tough guy for this to happen. Alexis is hard to play against. Gauthier and Kreider, should be harder to play against given their physical attributes.

It's a willingness. Unfortuantely Fast has no thumbs and has been with Panarin. I like Fast, just not with Panarin.

Lemmy is willing. When Kreider is on hes a beast. Gauthier could develop.

BUT the glaring need is at center.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Almost 5 months now since the last RB sighting... Crazy how he’s missing all that’s been happening.

 

[Savant]

Having Strome-Chytil at middle6 center is weak.

If Strome stays, Chytil goes to wing and Buchs traded. Established center is acquired.
If Chytil stays at C, Strome goes and a established Center is acquired.

Those are the two simplest ways to look at it but there a many possibilities.

Having Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Buch and Strome in a top9 will not be tough to play against. We need a balance to the lineup. We need complimenting pieces.

This didn’t answer the question. Who are this available top six tough to play against players that the Rangers can afford under the salary cap? Who are you sacrificing to accommodate said players. I’m not the biggest Strome fan but he also centered a Hart finalist this season.

Everyone wants these players. Getting them is easier said then done, and by the time they get to free agency they are over paid and have too many miles on them and bust. So I will say again, how are you getting these players without making the team worse or impacting the salary cap negatively? What if this player needs to be protected for the expansion draft? Then what?

 

[The New Russian Five]

Talking to my dad about this...what do you think? Too light, too much?

DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Chytil, CAR 1st for Barkov? Next year's 1, too?

Trading Chytil negates the whole purpose of the trade... Do you really want Brett Howden to be your go to 3rd line center for the next X years? Barkov is also UFA in 2 years. The rangers are looking to build a perennial contender for the next decade.

Honestly the best move would be to have Strome or some other stop gap be in place for the next year or 2 and make a trade to move up in the draft or to bring in a young cheap 2C.

Trying to get a Barkov or an Eichel is just inviting the type of cap hell that the Leafs are going through right now and being forced to play with no depth.

 

[charliemurphy]

Lundell isn’t worth what it will cost to move up 15-20 spots

What do you think the cost would be?
And what do you think Gorton could put on the table?

 

[cheech70]

it's very frustrating how that seems to constantly be dismissed and diminished in importance. Not even from general game play, but late in games when we need possession up or down a goal we don't have anyone that you put out there trusting can matchup against even average centers.

Last night in the D zone CBJ kept putting out Boon Jenner...its like a long snapper in football but much more important

 

[Savant]

What do you think the cost would be?
And what do you think Gorton could put on the table?

Rangers would probably need their 2nd round pick, and more to have a shot. That is a BIG

I wouldn’t trade a roster player. So maybe Carolina 1st and NYR 2021 1st? Not doing that though.

I’m trying to trade the Carolina 1st for a roster player. Rangers don’t need another rookie there. They badly need either a Trouba partner or reliable secondary scoring; preferably at center. I dropped some names yesterday.

 

[duhmetreE]

This didn’t answer the question. Who are this available top six tough to play against players that the Rangers can afford under the salary cap? Who are you sacrificing to accommodate said players. I’m not the biggest Strome fan but he also centered a Hart finalist this season.

Everyone wants these players. Getting them is easier said then done, and by the time they get to free agency they are over paid and have too many miles on them and bust. So I will say again, how are you getting these players without making the team worse or impacting the salary cap negatively? What if this player needs to be protected for the expansion draft? Then what?

I gave you a possible scenario in the previous post but you ignored it for some reason. Add in a Staal buyout and a possible HL retirement.

At this point I dont know what you're arguing? It's too hard to make a trade, so lets just do nothing?

Middle6 centers are needed. A big reason as to why 'we're not hard to play against' is because of the middle 6 centers. Just as Gorton addressed RHD last year with Trouba and Fox, Gorton should address Center this year.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Having Strome-Chytil at middle6 center is weak.

If Strome stays, Chytil goes to wing and Buchs traded. Established center is acquired.
If Chytil stays at C, Strome goes and a established Center is acquired.

Those are the two simplest ways to look at it but there a many possibilities.

Having Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Buch and Strome in a top9 will not be tough to play against. We need a balance to the lineup. We need complimenting pieces.

How do you know these guys won't be tough to play against? They're babies. If they reach their potential they will absolutely be difficult to play againt. Add Panarin, Zib, Kreider, and Laf to that group and they'll be a nightmare matchup for most teams. And that's not even counting guys like Barron and Gauthier who, if they learn to use their size effectively will also be tough to handle. Not complimentary enough for you?

 

[SA16]

The way to improve faceoffs is by having a coach work with Zibanejad, Strome, and Chytil on them. Not by bringing in some 4th line center who won't be on the ice to take key faceoffs anyway.

 

[duhmetreE]

How do you know these guys won't be tough to play against? They're babies. If they reach their potential they will absolutely be difficult to play againt. Add Panarin, Zib, Kreider, and Laf to that group and they'll be a nightmare matchup for most teams. And that's not even counting guys like Barron and Gauthier who, if they learn to use their size effectively will also be tough to handle. Not complimentary enough for you?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My prediction: Rangers trade the Car pick and one of Buch or Chytil+ Anaheim for Lindholm.

Hank retires, Geo traded. Staal develops a mystery ailment.

How they fill in the rest of the roster? I have no idea, but to expect the same team back+Laf would not be wise.

 

[Edge]

Sorry, this post made me think of this:

 

[Savant]

Face off wins seems to have been a problem here for years. It’s something that needs to be addressed.

Centers on expiring (Summer 2021) contracts w/ face off win % over 50% - some names I mentioned yesterday

• Bozak 55.0%
• Stastny 54.8%
  
• Danault 54.5%
• Bonino 52.6%
  
• Krejci 50.3%

 

[Chytilmania]

If I'm reading correctly, buying out Staal saves us ~$2M and next year is only a $1M hit? That's a no brainer then. Let Hajek play and call up Miller end of the year. I'd love to give Miller the entire year but I understand we need to be patient and not rush guys. If JD is that happy with him I wouldn't be surprised to see him soon.

 

[Heckler81]

Lundell isn’t worth what it will cost to move up 15-20 spots

15-20 spots? The Car pick is likely to be around 20 overall. Lundell looks to possibly go around 13-15. You’re probably talking about 5-7 spots.

you might be able to get it for a 3rd round pick included in the trade. At worst, probably a 2nd from next years Draft.

 

[charliemurphy]

Rangers would probably need their 2nd round pick, and more to have a shot. That is a BIG

I wouldn’t trade a roster player. So maybe Carolina 1st and NYR 2021 1st? Not doing that though.

I’m trying to trade the Carolina 1st for a roster player. Rangers don’t need another rookie there. They badly need either a Trouba partner or reliable secondary scoring; preferably at center. I dropped some names yesterday.

Gotcha. What if Gorton acquired an early 2nd?
Curious because Lundell is projected to be a plug and play type of pick with many scouts seeing him being able to play in the league as soon as next season as well as being projected to be in the league for a long time. Having him center Kakko and Lafreniere... Carolina's 1st and a 2nd... I'd make that trade in a heartbeat otherwise like you said try and use other chips to fill in other holes.