Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[bleedblue94]

Mika is 50% on draws for his career which isn’t bad. Crosby is 52.7%

Over the past three years zib is
49.2
49.7
50.8

Sid is
55.6
55.4
53

This year of the 100 players that took the most draws in the league crosby ranked 13th with the 55.6% taking 888 total draws, zib was 69th with the 49.2% taking 1204.
mika lost 612 draws, crosby lost 394.
They aren't comparable at all.

Furthermore, malkin has traditionally been weak on draws but just to underscore the team issues this year malkin was BETTER than zib this year ranking 57th with a 50.3% losing 435 draws.

 

[Raspewtin]

Look at Fast. Yeah yeah, great along the boards and wins 1-on-1 battles.. Hard worker. Great hustler. Blah blah blah.. He single handedly cost Panarin another 5-10 points this year with some of his blunders offensively. I specifically recall him missing like 3, wide open, Ray Charles could score this shit opportunities.

Complete f***ing delusion

Fast is probably not a top 6 finisher but his ability to win battles created half of the offense of that line. Strome couldn't win a board battle if the other player had one leg. Panarin's strength is stick checks and positioning and not on the boards. Fast is one of the best board players in the league and created a ton of space for that line. HE also scores at a high rate at even strength (it doesn't appear so because he doesn't get PP time).

We saw how useless Strome and even Panarin can be when the games are tight. Nobody else gelled with them and was able to do the dirty work while both of them f***ed off to nowhere when the puck was up for grabs.

You'd think after that line got bludgeoned without Fast winning every puck would've stopped but I guess not.

 

[Mikos87]

I think you should look at pairs, and then build the line-up around them. That makes your situational minutes a lot easier to distribute. It also helps with chemistry, and allows guys to play in different setups depending on the situation.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Why trade for a 2C when we can just sign Mikael Granlund for a year or two?

I think Deangelo and Strome could net us a young first pair LD

 

[JimmyG89]

If we're looking to make a move to get another center like Chytil or in that age group, the player that would stand out to me is Tyson Jost.

Colorado isn't really using him. MacKinnon, Kadri, and Compher are their top 3 centers. He's not a 4th line option. I wonder if there is a fit. Move from Strome and have Chytil, Howden, and Jost as three young centers for the roster? Just feel like there is some untapped potential there, and if we're looking for a move to help aid finding a future 2C, Jost probably gives us the biggest boom potential in respect to the assets needing to be moved. Former top 10 pick. New lease on life in NY with all the other young players on the team. Colorado could use a 2nd line RW as I'm not sure they want to use Kaut in that role just yet. Three seasons left on MacKinnon before his new deal. Landeskog needs one after next season. Makar is off his ELC after next season. They're gonna push hard for the cup next year.

Not to mention, the Rangers have targeted a lot of players from that 2016 draft. Fox, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Gauthier. Clearly, they liked this draft organizationally. Jost would be another one. Also, remember the rumors about wanting to move into the top of this draft for Keller? Recent talks about Pulju for Andersson? It would not be unforeseen that they are trying to nab a bunch of guys from that draft specifically.

Domi is the other if we're looking for a more established player, but the price is higher and the cap hit will be too. MTL has their centers for the future and Domi isn't one of them. Another team that could use some wing help. MTL is building, but they always have pressure to make the playoffs. Domi as a 4C or Buch as a 2RW? Think there is more value for them on the wing.

I like them both. Colorado would have to add to Jost if I'm moving Buchnevich for him, add some kind of a pick (we don't have our 2nd, but neither does Colorado). Domi might be a straight swap or it is possible a small add from the Rangers is needed.

 

[Leetch3]

Carolina has a system that mitigates this. The Rangers do not have a system at all.

carolina also did it cause 2 of their RHD were hurt...they don't normally go with 5 lefties if hamilton and pesce are healthy

 

[DanielBrassard]

Imo we need to get over this handedness thing. Didnt we just get slapped around by a team with like 5 or 6 guys the same handedness? Teams make this work, I don’t get why it’s such an issue for us

Exactly. One of the best pairings in the NHL was Weegar-Ekblad which is a righty-righty pairing. The handedness question is a bit overplayed.

 

[bleedblue94]

Complete f***ing delusion

Fast is probably not a top 6 finisher but his ability to win battles created half of the offense of that line. Strome couldn't win a board battle if the other player had one leg. Panarin's strength is stick checks and positioning and not on the boards. Fast is one of the best board players in the league and created a ton of space for that line. HE also scores at a high rate at even strength (it doesn't appear so because he doesn't get PP time).

We saw how useless Strome and even Panarin can be when the games are tight. Nobody else gelled with them and was able to do the dirty work while both of them f***ed off to nowhere when the puck was up for grabs.

You'd think after that line got bludgeoned without Fast winning every puck would've stopped but I guess not.

Yup, Fast was probably more important to panarin having his career year (along with the NYR pp) than strome was, yet people keep acting like strome was the key to help panarin. Fast literally does everything that is not in strome's or panarin's game

 

[Leetch3]

Why trade for a 2C when we can just sign Mikael Granlund for a year or two?

I think Deangelo and Strome could net us a young first pair LD

granlund works as a space filler if strome gets moved...but I don't see him as a long term solution. if you are trading for a 2C it should be a young guy that is viewed as a long term solution...

 

[DanielBrassard]

Hintz has 118 games of being at terrible 5v5 scorer and one good playoffs. Why do we want him for something big? Because he's a fast skater?

Because he scored some goals in the playoffs last season and now he's a bona-fide star

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Carolina has a system that mitigates this. The Rangers do not have a system at all.

Thats not true. The rangers have a system they just lack the personnel to execute it flawlessly. Carolina has been using a similar system for years, they just finally have the people to execute it and everyone points at Brindamour as the genius when in fact its just that they finally have a really good team built. Carolina's defense is where we hope to be in 2 years.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Complete f***ing delusion

Fast is probably not a top 6 finisher but his ability to win battles created half of the offense of that line. Strome couldn't win a board battle if the other player had one leg. Panarin's strength is stick checks and positioning and not on the boards. Fast is one of the best board players in the league and created a ton of space for that line. HE also scores at a high rate at even strength (it doesn't appear so because he doesn't get PP time).

We saw how useless Strome and even Panarin can be when the games are tight. Nobody else gelled with them and was able to do the dirty work while both of them f***ed off to nowhere when the puck was up for grabs.

You'd think after that line got bludgeoned without Fast winning every puck would've stopped but I guess not.

Great post, not to mention Fast is our best defensive forward without question. He's underrated as hell and is not a guy who has to play on the 4th line but is a perfect fit to play with high end talent. It's no coincidence he has been part of the best lines the Rangers have had the past few seasons

 

[Leetch3]

Thats not true. The rangers have a system they just lack the personnel to execute it flawlessly. Carolina has been using a similar system for years, they just finally have the people to execute it and everyone points at Brindamour as the genius when in fact its just that they finally have a really good team built. Carolina's defense is where we hope to be in 2 years.

it is amazing how smart coaches get when they have a good team

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

it is amazing how smart coaches get when they have a good team

#WeNeverGetaSmartCoach

#WeNeverHaveaGoodTeam

 

[Savant]

Thats not true. The rangers have a system they just lack the personnel to execute it flawlessly. Carolina has been using a similar system for years, they just finally have the people to execute it and everyone points at Brindamour as the genius when in fact its just that they finally have a really good team built. Carolina's defense is where we hope to be in 2 years.

What is the Rangers system?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yup, Fast was probably more important to panarin having his career year (along with the NYR pp) than strome was, yet people keep acting like strome was the key to help panarin. Fast literally does everything that is not in strome's or panarin's game

Complete f***ing delusion

Fast is probably not a top 6 finisher but his ability to win battles created half of the offense of that line. Strome couldn't win a board battle if the other player had one leg. Panarin's strength is stick checks and positioning and not on the boards. Fast is one of the best board players in the league and created a ton of space for that line. HE also scores at a high rate at even strength (it doesn't appear so because he doesn't get PP time).

We saw how useless Strome and even Panarin can be when the games are tight. Nobody else gelled with them and was able to do the dirty work while both of them f***ed off to nowhere when the puck was up for grabs.

You'd think after that line got bludgeoned without Fast winning every puck would've stopped but I guess not.

Are you talking about the three games vs Carolina because Panarin didn't look good no matter who he played with even when he was on with Zibanajad, neither him or Zibanajad looked like they were high end players this post season. If you wanna base lines off that series we are gonna end up with a top line of buch, Kakko and Howden because the rest of the forwards were useless.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The whole "all bad players are whipping boys Q.Q" choir really never give it up



A bad player getting 16 mins a night playing in all situations and being a part of the team's largest roster problem (a non-NHL bottom 6) definitely tends to be harped on and I'm really sorry that it upsets you.



Howden was pointed out as a massive double standard with regards to treatment with Andersson and it's absolutely a valid discussion.



yup I can vividly remember all three GDTs being full of relentless Howden hate and not literally every single player getting ripped in a series where we were outplayed top to bottom



lol



He was "blackballed" because he was bad at literally everything except skating.



So you agree? The Rangers should stop playing bad players?

None of your points are valid.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I'm sure some trades will happen, but this team can't be turning the roster over year after year after year. They need to build some continuity, can't have a ton of new faces every training camp. I get the desire to improve the roster but let nature take it's course where younger guys replace older guys. The top 6 is basically here, RD is basically here, goal is here, LD will be here next season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think you should look at pairs, and then build the line-up around them. That makes your situational minutes a lot easier to distribute. It also helps with chemistry, and allows guys to play in different setups depending on the situation.

This is the way most coaches approach it. Ie Zib/Kreider...Strome/Panarin...Chytik/Kakko.

 

[bleedblue94]

Are you talking about the three games vs Carolina because Panarin didn't look good no matter who he played with even when he was on with Zibanajad, neither him or Zibanajad looked like they were high end players this post season. If you wanna base lines off that series we are gonna end up with a top line of buch, Kakko and Howden because the rest of the forwards were useless.

Not at all, not sure why you'd think that's the only basis for the opinion.

Also, even before the season myself and a handful of others said zib and pan should not play together because their styles and such probably wouldn't mesh. Posters with that opinion were just crushed and belittled but proven right. neither played their best hockey when together other than on the pp. Them playing together in game 3 was desperation by DQ after watching the anemic offense the first couple games.

Most of the well rounded opinions on players will/should come from the totality of the season, opinions on the team and its holes and issues were highlighted in the three game series.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm sure some trades will happen, but this team can't be turning the roster over year after year after year. They need to build some continuity, can't have a ton of new faces every training camp. I get the desire to improve the roster but let nature take it's course where younger guys replace older guys. The top 6 is basically here, RD is basically here, goal is here, LD will be here next season.

I believe everyone is rushing things, resign the free agents to short deals if you can, wait until the bad contracts are off the books, slowly introduce Miller, Jones, Robertson, Barron, Lindqvist Lafrienerre, Kravtsov and then decide if Strome and D'Angelo are worth more years or if we can use their cap space somewhere else and replace them with younger players. This...is...how...it....should....work.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not at all, not sure why you'd think that's the only basis for the opinion.

Also, even before the season myself and a handful of others said zib and pan should not play together because their styles and such probably wouldn't mesh. Posters with that opinion were just crushed and belittled but proven right. neither played their best hockey when together other than on the pp. Them playing together in game 3 was desperation by DQ after watching the anemic offense the first couple games.

Most of the well rounded opinions on players will/should come from the totality of the season, opinions on the team and its holes and issues were highlighted in the three game series.

The reason I thought this was because both Panarin and Strome had career years playing with each other.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I believe everyone is rushing things, resign the free agents to short deals if you can, wait until the bad contracts are off the books, slowly introduce Miller, Jones, Robertson, Barron, Lindqvist Lafrienerre, Kravtsov and then decide if Strome and D'Angelo are worth more years or if we can use their cap space somewhere else and replace them with younger players. This...is...how...it....should....work.

I agree. No offer sheets, no big name trades, just stay the course unless some offer that's too good to refuse comes along. I think it's important that all these kids, especially now with Lafreniere, come back to camp with the team hierarchy and structure in place. They'll be introducing so many young players onto the roster in the next two years, there needs to be some consistency.

 

[bleedblue94]

I understand that and where you're coming from, but panarin is an elite talent that entered his prime years, so a career year is understandable especially when you look at career stats on the pp compared to this year and the offensive surrounding cast from clb to nyr.

A lot of Strome's additional production also came from the pp. He had 17 ppp this year, his previous high was 8.

I think a lot of that has to do with playing with better offensive players than ever in his career and being on a 1pp unit that hummed at almost 23%, and lets be serious, he was on the pp1 by default because there wasnt a better halfwall option. As soon as they find a competent lhs player to play the halfwall and open up a rw onetime option he will be replaced in that spot (Kakko or Laf with some development time).

 

[Mikos87]

This is the way most coaches approach it. Ie Zib/Kreider...Strome/Panarin...Chytik/Kakko.

Yes, but recent events have changed those pairings. I would tend to go with:

Laf-Zib
Bread-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil

Rotate different centers and wings as needed. Strome gets a default spot, but giving different guys looks at times ie Chytil would be good. That said, I think Kreider can really help Chytil's game. Those two can play with size and speed in a way that creates chances for each other.

This also allows guys like Zibs and Kreider to mentor talented young kids and lead their own unit everytime that they are out there, and let the Breadman do his thing. IMO this + 2 open slots on the 4th line, along with a 18-20 minute a night 5v5 LHD makes the Rangers a 4-5 seed and a dark horse contender next season from a player personnel perspective.