Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Gardner McKay]

1) don't think the Rangers dodged a bullet as they were never in on him, despite what the pundits want to state.
2) San Jose is in their window and are looking to win it all over next 3 years or so. They may well pay for it later, but if they win the cup, they will deem it to be worth the price.

They may "still be in their window" but that window is rapidly closing.

 

[pld459666]

1) don't think the Rangers dodged a bullet as they were never in on him, despite what the pundits want to state.
2) San Jose is in their window and are looking to win it all over next 3 years or so. They may well pay for it later, but if they win the cup, they will deem it to be worth the price.

Dont think they win a cup. Ever

 

[Gardner McKay]

Dont think they win a cup. Ever

Well, not with this core. They are going to have to go through a painful rebuild.

 

[RangerBoy]

Trouba’s price went up with Karlsson getting $11.5M. Why Not?

Trouba is one year away from group III.

 

[Avery16]

I think its 2 years before he starts missing 20+ games a year

That’s optimistic

 

[Siddi]

Well, I guess this means no EK65 in a Rangers jersey.

Need to change my avatar

 

[pld459666]

That’s optimistic

I think the hip surgery has a similar effect for him that it had for Gaborik for us.

Had 2.5 decent years and then went back to being a skating bandaid.

 

[Waivers]

That’s a lot of money for one ankle.

 

[RangerBoy]

$6.5M to $7M. 7 years. Philadelphia is a good fit for Hayes.

 

[RangerBoy]

$53M in signing bonus dollars.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’d be shocked if Hayes signs elsewhere.

Seems pretty clear he wants to stay in the NorthEast

He’s not that far from his pals in NYC living in Philly

 

[SickNice]

Zucc was one of their top performers in the playoffs. They are not a team that is looking to the future. Given the way he just played, the first would be justified.

I get it - I just don't see it happening.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Really hope Zucc signs in Dallas this week

 

[bobbop]

Trouba may or may not sign a long term extension this summer with the acquiring team. If a contract extension is part of the trade, Winnipeg will want more. The contract will be very lucrative. It's a very expensive deal all around. Expensive rental. Trouba signs a long term contract next summer with the Red Wings.

Trouba isn't even a great D. He is a good D. I am a little dubious of the Rangers going after Trouba after their failed Shattenkirk experiment. What are the Rangers doing with Shattenkirk if they do somehow trade for and sign Trouba? According to Brooks, there is little to no market for Shattenkirk at 50% retention. Don't tell me they will buy him out. The cap hit for 20-21 is $6,083,333. They save $566.557.

They better be careful because a new CBA will probably be signed this summer and the players main issue is escrow. Changing the cap calculation without the 5% inflator will help alleviate escrow concerns. The actual revenue is used. Nothing else. If the cap is $78M, it's $78M. There was a whole big article yesterday on the CBA negotiations. The players are also concerned about the slow growth in revenue streams. A new US TV contract isn't pumping a lot of new money into the system to make a significant contribution to the cap going up.

Just because a player is available doesn't make him a #1D. We heard it with Shattenkirk.

There will be a new US Television contract in two years, most likely a multiple network contract and it will pump a significant amount of new money into the system. The industry (which happens to be my industry) estimates the annual rights fee will double.

There's also a good chance there will be at least one compliance buyout in the next CBA. It's a tradition.

 

[NYR Viper]

$6.5M to $7M. 7 years. Philadelphia is a good fit for Hayes.

I hope that’s the deal.

 

[bobbop]

If we were talking about a Doughty/Karlsson contract for Trouba, I'd absolutely agree with you. But so long as we're in the ~$8MM range, we're talking 25-33% less than that. I'm more than willing to pay that for Trouba for years 26-33 in the current cap environment.

EDIT: that said, I'm intrigued by the idea of Risto... depending on the price.

You will be paying for years 25-31. He wouldn't be eligible for a seven year contract unless it was a sign and trade. He doesn't turn 26 until February 26, 2020.

 

[RangerBoy]

Montreal traded Pacioretty to Vegas right before the season. He was a potential Group III this summer. Nick Suzuki who went 13th overall in 2017, Tatar and a 2nd round pick in 2019 for Pacioretty. Vegas later gave Pacioretty $28 million over 4 years. No state income tax.

Vegas gave up a ton for Tatar who never fit with them. He had a good year in Montreal. 25 goals. 58 points.

Something like that for Kreider. The Rangers get the prospect already drafted in the first round instead of a 1st rounder. Suzuki.

 

[GAGLine]

There will be a new US Television contract in two years, most likely a multiple network contract and it will pump a significant amount of new money into the system. The industry (which happens to be my industry) estimates the annual rights fee will double.

There's also a good chance there will be at least one compliance buyout in the next CBA. It's a tradition.

It had happened in the last 2 CBAs because in the first, the salary cap was established and teams needed a way to get compliant. In the second, the cap went down, and teams needed a way to get compliant.

I don't see the cap going down in the next CBA. They may haggle over what counts as HRR and make changes to reduce/eliminate escrow, but I don't see either resulting in a lower cap.

 

[effen]

Karlsson contract is fine FOR San Jose. To not pay him after giving Kane 7/49 would be pretty dumb. Good for them. Hopefully they'll be able to survive having a defenseman who gets .9 PPG in a "down" year for multiple seasons.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Montreal traded Pacioretty to Vegas right before the season. He was a potential Group III this summer. Nick Suzuki who went 13th overall in 2017, Tatar and a 2nd round pick in 2019 for Pacioretty. Vegas later gave Pacioretty $28 million over 4 years. No state income tax.

Vegas gave up a ton for Tatar who never fit with them. He had a good year in Montreal. 25 goals. 58 points.

Something like that for Kreider. The Rangers get the prospect already drafted in the first round instead of a 1st rounder. Suzuki.

If I understand correctly, you're proposing a deal like Nick Suzuki, Montreal 2nd, and Montreal 3rd for Kreider?

I'm game for that if the Rangers can flip some of those assets to move up from 20 to take a center.

Does 20th and Sukuki get you the 8th to 11th overall?

 

[Off Sides]

It had happened in the last 2 CBAs because in the first, the salary cap was established and teams needed a way to get compliant. In the second, the cap went down, and teams needed a way to get compliant.

I don't see the cap going down in the next CBA. They may haggle over what counts as HRR and make changes to reduce/eliminate escrow, but I don't see either resulting in a lower cap.

Didn't those buyouts also count against the players share of revenue last time around? And increase escrow?

And if they do eliminate/reduce escrow by getting rid of the escalator, wouldn't that actually offset some of the cap rise?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

$53M in signing bonus dollars.

That contract is, for all intents and purposes, buyout-proof.

SJ better win a cup or pray for a compliance buyout, because the back end of that contract is going to be very, very ugly.

 

[GAGLine]

Didn't those buyouts also count against the players share of revenue last time around? And increase escrow?

And if they do eliminate escrow by getting rid of the escalator, wouldn't that actually offset some of the cap rise?

It may have counted against the players' share. I don't recall.

Yes, if they get rid of the escalator, that will likely result in more of a flat cap. It will still go up as revenue goes up, but without the artificial inflation.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

You will be paying for years 25-31. He wouldn't be eligible for a seven year contract unless it was a sign and trade. He doesn't turn 26 until February 26, 2020.

Good catch.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I think its 2 years before he starts missing 20+ games a year

He already missed 29 last year.