Now that Newport took the Sharks to the cleaners, they have more time to finalize the Zuccarello contract with the Stars.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII
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LORDE
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Wow that Karlsson deal will look terrible in a few years.
Stay the course Jeff! We have faith in u!!!
Stay the course Jeff! We have faith in u!!!
TheBloodyNine
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Ghost of jas
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SA16
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And yet again we see two potential top FA not reach UFA because their own team can offer them 8 years and nobody else can (Karlsson/Skinner...Skinner is lower level but still better than most recently)
San Jose paid market value to keep the closest thing to a generational defenseman this league has seen since Lidstrom.
Year after year after year people fail to understand that it's not the pure $$ it's the percentage of the cap that matters these days, but more than that top players are still valued as top players when it comes to signing them in FA so you're not going to see everyone go "well Karlsson is the best defenseman in the world but let's all lowball him for $6 mill and 5 years I'm sure that'll work out"
Each team has to weigh the risks of a long term big contract versus the upside and that includes their current roster, their future roster, and how it will all play together including cap space.
You can argue that maybe San Jose made a mistake in terms of signing such a big contract with Karlsson when they could be on the decline at this point and maybe this is hopelessly holding onto the idea that they're still contenders, or that it's dumb to pay so much for two similar defensmen with Burns and Karlsson and only have so much ice time to play them, but when it comes to money...someone was going to pay him this much.
And when healthy and on his game he controls the game like no one else out there right now. He willed that Ottawa team to the conference finals several years ago, he's one of if not the biggest difference maker on the ice in the entire league. Every team interested in signing him was thinking that's what they're paying for...and hoping it was pre injury Karlsson they were getting. But that's the nature of sports. For every team saying "no we need to be careful and precise with our cap" there are teams saying "we need to take this risk to win the cup, this could be the difference between decades of no cup versus winning on in the next few years"
Year after year after year people fail to understand that it's not the pure $$ it's the percentage of the cap that matters these days, but more than that top players are still valued as top players when it comes to signing them in FA so you're not going to see everyone go "well Karlsson is the best defenseman in the world but let's all lowball him for $6 mill and 5 years I'm sure that'll work out"
Each team has to weigh the risks of a long term big contract versus the upside and that includes their current roster, their future roster, and how it will all play together including cap space.
You can argue that maybe San Jose made a mistake in terms of signing such a big contract with Karlsson when they could be on the decline at this point and maybe this is hopelessly holding onto the idea that they're still contenders, or that it's dumb to pay so much for two similar defensmen with Burns and Karlsson and only have so much ice time to play them, but when it comes to money...someone was going to pay him this much.
And when healthy and on his game he controls the game like no one else out there right now. He willed that Ottawa team to the conference finals several years ago, he's one of if not the biggest difference maker on the ice in the entire league. Every team interested in signing him was thinking that's what they're paying for...and hoping it was pre injury Karlsson they were getting. But that's the nature of sports. For every team saying "no we need to be careful and precise with our cap" there are teams saying "we need to take this risk to win the cup, this could be the difference between decades of no cup versus winning on in the next few years"
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
But... people who say elite UFAs rarely reach market are wrong! It happens all the time!
(Note: I had no interest in Karlsson)
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I think there's a line of thinking that if Karlsson can still be Karlsson for at least half the contract and they win a cup in that time, then it's worth it, regardless of how bad the contract ends up being on the back end.
Beer League Sniper
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I'm sorry, but the "best defenseman in the league" is not the best defenseman in the league if he can't stay healthy.
Also, why is SJ giving EK that extra year without the cap hit coming down at all?
I get that SJ's window is now, but this is a contract they're really going to regret if they don't win a cup in the next 3 years.
$11.5M is greater than the 10% summer cap bump (and will be until the cap exceeds $115M), so even if EK needs goes on LTIR, he could still completely f*** their cap up if things go south with his health.
Also, why is SJ giving EK that extra year without the cap hit coming down at all?
I get that SJ's window is now, but this is a contract they're really going to regret if they don't win a cup in the next 3 years.
$11.5M is greater than the 10% summer cap bump (and will be until the cap exceeds $115M), so even if EK needs goes on LTIR, he could still completely f*** their cap up if things go south with his health.
BBKers
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Watch Florida trade for Panarins rights soon.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Pretty much the way the Karlsson contract needs to be viewed... and really any UFA contract that takes a guy past his mid-30s. There's always a risk on ones that that players into mid-30s... but the risk is exponentially higher after 33.
bleedblue94
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If anything i bet it will be a sign and trade so panarin can get the 8th year. If Florida trades for him now and signs him they cannold give 7 years bc he wasn't on their roster at the deadline. It's a small detail people miss I'm the whole 7 year vs 8 year thing. Talon said he wasn't going to trade for any players rights. I could see yarmo being the ballsy one to do a sign and trade with an elite star he's not keeping to gain assets back
pld459666
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EK is absolutely worth that as his best. Perhaps more. Whether or not his body will hold up is the question.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Something to remember: Karlsson's contract takes him to 37. A 7-year Panarin deal takes him to 34. Those 3 years of difference are enormous.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I thought he said they wouldn't be paying the price for a sign-and-trade which sounded like it would be something like a 2nd rounder for being able to get him for 1 extra season. That's different than a 5th for a player's rights.
For sure, there's a lot of "don't worry about it 4-5 years down the road, we're concerned about the next few years and it's fine for that time"
LeetchisGod
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SA16
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pld459666
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1) don't think the Rangers dodged a bullet as they were never in on him, despite what the pundits want to state.
2) San Jose is in their window and are looking to win it all over next 3 years or so. They may well pay for it later, but if they win the cup, they will deem it to be worth the price.
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