Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

DeAngelo says the thing about Vesey requesting a trade is BS

 

[Off Sides]

It's 1.25% total. The players have the option to use whatever number they want as the escalator up to 5%.

Well than, removing that would only be a partial solution.

If they move the midpoint, how does that effect what teams end up spending? Wouldn't most still spend above the mid point?

 

[Mikos87]

It too just looked that up

Here is the pertaining part



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I thought they used a much higher percentage of the escalator. Although lifted it I'm not sure if means they only used 1.25%,, of it they used 1.25% more than whatever they used last time around.

Not in the last couple of years. The PA has a concern about the "growth rate" of the HRR isn't what it should be and are hedging by downcasting their escrow. Escrow is a tool for owners to maintain that 50-50 split with the NHLPA.

The PA doesn't trust the owners on two fronts, reporting, and the projections. The Owners don't want to lose an inch of the 50-50.

Thus it's manifested itself through escalator negotiations. During the next "lockout" escrow is going to be the number 1 issue from the NHLPA. Players have given back somewhere between 8-11% back to the owners.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Lot of Vesey stuff today in the twitter verse including him requesting a trade and it not being the first time.

Not cut out for NYC I guess

Goodbye Jim, have fun being mediocre elsewhere.

 

[Avery16]

DeAngelo says the thing about Vesey requesting a trade is BS

If whoever posted that here knew NHL Rumors was the sauce, then GTFO with that shit. They’re garbage and everyone knows it.

 

[Yankeekid07]

Vesey has been on Chicklets though...and with Kakko/Kratsov coming in, some forwards need to clear out.

No problem with Vesey going in a deal.

 

[RGY]

DeAngelo says the thing about Vesey requesting a trade is BS

To be fair i doubt ADA knows whats going on behind the scenes right now. And I doubt the Rangers have told Vesey whats going on either for him to be able to tell ADA

 

[Off Sides]

Not in the last couple of years. The PA has a concern about the "growth rate" of the HRR isn't what it should be and are hedging by downcasting their escrow. Escrow is a tool for owners to maintain that 50-50 split with the NHLPA.

The PA doesn't trust the owners on two fronts, reporting, and the projections. The Owners don't want to lose an inch of the 50-50.

Thus it's manifested itself through escalator negotiations. During the next "lockout" escrow is going to be the number 1 issue from the NHLPA. Players have given back somewhere between 8-11% back to the owners.

I would not trust their projections, I mean the cap always seems to come in under what they project around December.

Yet their reporting I assume is audited?

Maybe more things count against the players share than the PA anticipated?

Like does LTIR which is paid through insurance still count against their share?

 

[Leetch3]

DeAngelo says the thing about Vesey requesting a trade is BS

doesn't want his sickest teammate traded

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

If whoever posted that here knew NHL Rumors was the sauce, then GTFO with that ****. They’re garbage and everyone knows it.

I think the rumors goofballs picked it up off one of the Barstool guys, and they at least have connections, especially to "Boston clique" players

 

[LaffyTaffy]

NhlRD reads everything and posts things that he knows will stir shit up. He has no sources but i must admit is a very talented shit stirrer. Always gets twitter going, and has some serious people following him. Guy is a con artist. Definitely reads these boards too. RearAdmiral definitely speaks to Vesey and Hayes regularly and so that is legit info and im sure Vesey is gone by draft day.

 

[Tawnos]

Well than, removing that would only be a partial solution.

If they move the midpoint, how does that effect what teams end up spending? Wouldn't most still spend above the mid point?

I'm not talking about moving the midpoint. The midpoint stays the same. The goal is to try to force teams to spend closer to the midpoint.

The idea I'm talking about would mean setting up a system where the cap is, say, 10% above the midpoint while the floor is 15% below it. So on a $70m per team mid-point (just for easy numbers), the current cap would be $80.5m (15% over) and the floor would be $59.5 (15% under). Under this idea, the cap would be $77m (10% over) and the floor would still be the same. The amount the players get is still the same, but since teams aren't spending as much over the midpoint, the amount of escrow being required to be set aside each quarter is smaller.

 

[Mikos87]

If whoever posted that here knew NHL Rumors was the sauce, then GTFO with that ****. They’re garbage and everyone knows it.

There's RA whose from Jimmy's home town. The Boston boys are very tight, and RA knows his shit.

I'd love to Jimmy to be traded. He's a smart kid, on his walk year.... he needs to play a on shit team to get more minutes next to a guy like Eichel to cash out.

If he's with the Rangers, and has his usual no-show for 40 games, then he's making 3rd line money.

Jimmy can skate next to Eichel, and no show for 20 games, and cash in on a retirement level deal.

Let Jimmy do Jimmy. He's a sick individual. One of the sickest out there.

 

[effen]

To be fair i doubt ADA knows whats going on behind the scenes right now. And I doubt the Rangers have told Vesey whats going on either for him to be able to tell ADA

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The twitter post said Vesey requested a trade, I don't think it'd be hard for Tony D to find out if that was true or not.

 

[DanielBrassard]

To be fair i doubt ADA knows whats going on behind the scenes right now. And I doubt the Rangers have told Vesey whats going on either for him to be able to tell ADA

He's responding to the idea that Vesey asked for a trade, which I am sure he would know since he was just with him playing golf.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Vesey has been on Chicklets though...and with Kakko/Kratsov coming in, some forwards need to clear out.

No problem with Vesey going in a deal.

Yeah the chiclets guys are worth listening to on this one.

I don't think hes demanding anything, but I do think its pretty clear that he's on his way out.

 

[Yankeekid07]

Yeah the chiclets guys are worth listening to on this one.

I don't think hes demanding anything, but I do think its pretty clear that he's on his way out.

Agreed.

 

[Fireonk]

Being on the way out is very different from demanding a trade. As others have pointed out its pretty obvious that the Rangers would be looking to move a forward or two and Vesey is an obvious candidate as not having a long term future here.

Spreading random rumors just keeps the random fake rumors coming. Lets be responsible people.

 

[Levitate]

Under the radar move but I’d be just fine moving a 3rd to get Ryan Reaves in NY.

Find other ways to replenish picks but he’s a guy who changes an entire dynamic of a team and someone who would be useful for the next 3-4 years on the 4th line.

Vegas needs cap space. The Rangers made a similar move for McQuaid. Reaves makes more sense as he’s a forward.

He's probably better than Tanner Glass, but Reaves is still a guy who's not really that good at the game of hockey and would mainly just be there to be a locker room guy and ineffective security blanket (none of these guys ever deter anything but maybe a few players feel a bit better having one on their team).

A 3rd isn't terribly valuable but it still might be more valuable than the real measurable value of Reaves

Ok this is a bit more legitimate. Thought the rumors were in regards to NHLrumorsdaily or what ever that account is called.

PZ out Jimmy, SONK!.

Yeah Vesey being traded isn't a wild prediction but him requesting a trade and all may be

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The tweet from the RearAdmiral guy (whoever that is, I don't follow him) doesn't mention anything about "demanding" a trade.

Could be that they already have several offers on the table, awaiting to see how draft weekend plays out, and they've already informed him he'll be moving one way or another.

 

[RGY]

He's responding to the idea that Vesey asked for a trade, which I am sure he would know since he was just with him playing golf.

Whoops I missed that. Thought it was the trade in general

 

[Mikos87]

I would not trust their projections, I mean the cap always seems to come in under what they project around December.

Yet their reporting I assume is audited?

Maybe more things count against the players share than the PA anticipated?

There's three markets that are a virtual lock for a net loss of ~$25 million. It's a pretty deep subject that I would love to dive deeper sometime, but those three markets are hurting the PA's pockets from the aggregate HRR perspective. HRR is top-line, so it's not like saying those three teams are a deduction from that, but rather their under-performance comes at a very high opportunity cost to both the league and the players, because if those teams are not relevant or are earning playoff revenue, they are not breaking even.

Then you have around 30% of HRR that is subject to in-year volatility due to the Canadian dollar. The Canadian teams for the most part can absorb or off-set losses by adjusting price and volume levers when it comes to their tickets.... but there are 3 Canadian teams that are in the middle of consumer confidence related crises. What the CDN does cause in-year swings where a team like OTT, WPG, EDM, VAN need to earn 15-30% more in HRR to be on par with US teams.

But when you have a consumer confidence issue, you lose box seats, and corporate deals, or have to sell them for cheaper... which is what some of those Canadian teams are experiencing... that is hard to compensate.

Lastly, there are teams in major hubs that are not competing... that equates to lower engagement, which leads to cheaper ticket prices, which hurts HRR.

So LA, Anaheim, CHI, our very own NYR.... the league is healthier when those markets can charge their f*** you rates for tickets.

The three losing markets I outlined above... you can get great seats, beers, and have a great time for $15 bucks. But the league needs other markets to be able to off-set that... which is easy when the team is contending... but... when those markets are not it hurts the game a bit more.

 

[RGY]

Sounds like Vesey and Neal info coming up on Siriusxm NHL radio Power Play show

 

[Yankeekid07]

The tweet from the RearAdmiral guy (whoever that is, I don't follow him) doesn't mention anything about "demanding" a trade.

Could be that they already have several offers on the table, awaiting to see how draft weekend plays out, and they've already informed him he'll be moving one way or another.

RearAdmiral is one of the co-hosts of Spittin' Chiclets, it's a hockey podcast on Barstool. Hayes, Vesey, and Skjei have been on before.

 

[Off Sides]

I'm not talking about moving the midpoint. The midpoint stays the same. The goal is to try to force teams to spend closer to the midpoint.

The idea I'm talking about would mean setting up a system where the cap is, say, 10% above the midpoint while the floor is 15% below it. So on a $70m per team mid-point (just for easy numbers), the current cap would be $80.5m (15% over) and the floor would be $59.5 (15% under). Under this idea, the cap would be $77m (10% over) and the floor would still be the same. The amount the players get is still the same, but since teams aren't spending as much over the midpoint, the amount of escrow being required to be set aside each quarter is smaller.

It's an interesting idea, I'm going to have to digest that one.