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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

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That Brooks package is too much. I know its speculation, just saying, it's too much.

I imagine Chevy is looking at the Jones-Johansson trade as a benchmark. Then you restock the cupboard with a Laine haul. Get futures for Ehlers even. Re-sign Connor.

He needs a center. Nolan Patrick and Ghostbear for Trouba and Rostlovic. Flyers are willing to throw caution to the wind and turn over roster every year. Epitomy of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

If Kreider is traded, Buch is sorely needed. Chytil, Kakko and Kravtsov in the top 6 is less than ideal for everyone.

This is Brooks lately. Anything to get back on track and pumping out stories. EK is closing in on a new deal. Panarin rumors died out. If Duchene doesn't sign by July 2, God help us. His agent will leak a story that we are circling to drive up the price. I like Larry but he writes his fantasy roster too frequently.
 
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Mikos87 said:
I don't buy the Buch & Nils package for Trouba.

Those players do not fit the identity of the Jets. The Jets have a player profile they go buy, and I don't see Nils nor Buch fitting that at all for their current roster.
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Buch definitely doesn’t fit their needs or profile. He isn’t going to be cheap to resign either.

Lundkvist is closer to a prototype Jet.

Lundkvist and Lias.
 
bobbop said:
Buch definitely doesn’t fit their needs or profile. He isn’t going to be cheap to resign either.

Lundkvist is closer to a prototype Jet.

Lundkvist and Lias.
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Neither fit WPG's need though. Their window is closing in 2-3 years. They do not have time to wait for them to develop. If the Rangers acquire Trouba for a package that helps WPG, it is probably something around DeAngelo, Namestnikov, a 1st
 
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NYRangers88 said:
This makes me nervous, that would be a horrible deal IMO. I don't want to see them move #20, and definitely not Lundkvist, after all the good things I'm reading about him.
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If the Rangers get Trouba he automatically becomes our best defenseman. He is a legit top pairing right D. He can play in all situations and he's big and he can play nasty. He also had 50 points last year--not that I would expect him to repeat that but when's the last time a Rangers defenseman did that? What happens after acquiring someone like him is the rest of the D starts falling into place--or at least on the right side. So like last year when Quinn played Pionk as our 1RD because he's the one he felt most comfortable playing in all situations--well that shit won't be happening anymore with Trouba on our team.

So yeah--20 OA, Buchnevich and Lundkvist would be pricey. I would hope we'd have some sweetener coming back the other way. But none of those pieces are deal breakers and in Lundkvist's case we have lots of LD prospects besides Skjei who right now is our best overall D. There's Rykov, Hajek, K'Andre Miller, Lindgren, Reunanen, Ragnarsson and Bigras. I would bet money on every single one of Rykov, Hajek and K'Andre becoming very good NHL defensemen and the others could too. So push comes to shove I make that deal.
 
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bobbop said:
Buch definitely doesn’t fit their needs or profile. He isn’t going to be cheap to resign either.

Lundkvist is closer to a prototype Jet.

Lundkvist and Lias.
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They had Toby Enstrom there for a while who is similar to Nils, but the Jets are going to mammoths on the backend. Smallest D on their team are 6'1". Agree about Buch.... they want cheap NHL ready players.

Lias fits their profile. They like guys like that on their matchup line.
 
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#20 + Buch + Lundkvist feels like a lot, but to win a bidding war for a signed Trouba (which he no doubt would be)... hmm, I might be prepared to pay that.

Would much rather move ADA or Pionk than Lundkvist (and would think that the Jets would prefer a guy who can jump in and play as well), I don't know how I feel about moving Buch vs., say, Andersson, and honestly I don't want to be giving up any draft picks at all... but he slots in so well with this team given his age, position, and style of play. It's an exorbitant price, but I could live with it. Especially since not all of the RHD currently in the system can play here.

That said, the price for O'Reilly was:

Berglund (cap dump)
Sobotka (cap dump)
Thompson (former late 1st round pick)
2019 conditional 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick

So, I'm hoping Gorts can do better than what Larry proposes...
 
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Friedman noted in his 31 thoughts that the Jets would like to re-engage with Myers' camp. I don't think they're going to be hung up on getting a RHD back for Trouba.

That being said, trade valuation has never been a strong suit of Brooksie. Highly doubt the Rangers are interested in the package was discussing. Not unless there's another piece coming back in the trade.
 
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SA16 said:
Buch doesn't fit their roster at all. They have four better wings already all of which will be locked in long term (assuming they sign Laine/Connor) so he would permanently be a 3rd line with PP2 guy. He'd be one of the best in the league at that but I can't imagine that's the role they are trying to fill. They need a 2nd line center.
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Yeah exactly. Something went amiss in the Jets locker room this year. Appleton and Roslovic were slated to be guys that backfilled.

Buch doesn't fit at all.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
#20 + Buch + Lundkvist feels like a lot, but to win a bidding war for a signed Trouba (which he no doubt would be)... hmm, I might be prepared to pay that.

Would much rather move ADA or Pionk than Lundkvist (and would think that the Jets would prefer a guy who can jump in and play as well), I don't know how I feel about moving Buch vs., say, Andersson, and honestly I don't want to be giving up any draft picks at all... but he slots in so well with this team given his age, position, and style of play. It's an exorbitant price, but I could live with it. Especially since not all of the RHD currently in the system can play here.

That said, the price for O'Reilly was:

Berglund (cap dump)
Sobotka (cap dump)
Thompson (former late 1st round pick)
2019 conditional 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick

So, I'm hoping Gorts can do better than what Larry proposes...
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The price for Brent Burns back in 2011 was Charlie Coyle, Devin Setoguchi and the 28th overall pick
 
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Trxjw said:
Friedman noted in his 31 thoughts that the Jets would like to re-engage with Myers' camp. I don't think they're going to be hung up on getting a RHD back for Trouba.

That being said, trade valuation has never been a strong suit of Brooksie. Highly doubt the Rangers are interested in the package was discussing. Not unless there's another piece coming back in the trade.
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Myers is about to make some f*** you money. Been on the 3rd pair the better part for the last few years, and he's about to get paid as a UFA.

Still won't be as good as the year he made $10M but he's going to get paid.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Neither fit WPG's need though. Their window is closing in 2-3 years. They do not have time to wait for them to develop. If the Rangers acquire Trouba for a package that helps WPG, it is probably something around DeAngelo, Namestnikov, a 1st
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They both fit their needs. ELC players to a team in cap hell. Lias could fill their center ice hole. DeAngelo is a possibility if they are interested. Namestnikov? No way...they can’t afford his contract. Any deal they make is going to be future oriented because of the cap.

Winnipeg has a relatively young roster. They are going to have to replace some of their older players over time but Scheifele, Laine, Ehlers, Connor and Hellebucyk are a strong young core that will be round for a long time.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
#20 + Buch + Lundkvist feels like a lot, but to win a bidding war for a signed Trouba (which he no doubt would be)... hmm, I might be prepared to pay that.

Would much rather move ADA or Pionk than Lundkvist (and would think that the Jets would prefer a guy who can jump in and play as well), I don't know how I feel about moving Buch vs., say, Andersson, and honestly I don't want to be giving up any draft picks at all... but he slots in so well with this team given his age, position, and style of play. It's an exorbitant price, but I could live with it. Especially since not all of the RHD currently in the system can play here.

That said, the price for O'Reilly was:

Berglund (cap dump)
Sobotka (cap dump)
Thompson (former late 1st round pick)
2019 conditional 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick

So, I'm hoping Gorts can do better than what Larry proposes...
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The question is what is he signed at? If he's going to sign for basically a UFA price then why do I also want to trade some of my top prospects and a first for that? If i'm giving up really good assets I want the player I'm getting to give me value by having a really good contract. Here are some defenseman who are 26 or younger signed for at least 3more years at 6M or less "Dumba, Jones, Slavin, Theodore, Klefbom, Pesce" etc. Not saying those guys are realistic at all but that's what I'd be looking for via trade. Someone who is really good and has a great deal. Otherwise I can just sign someone in FA instead and not give up any assets for it.
 
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Mikos87 said:
Myers is about to make some **** you money. Been on the 3rd pair the better part for the last few years, and he's about to get paid as a UFA.

Still won't be as good as the year he made $10M but he's going to get paid.
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He's definitely getting paid, but GM's have shown time and time again that the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
 
eco's bones said:
If the Rangers get Trouba he automatically becomes our best defenseman. He is a legit top pairing right D. He can play in all situations and he's big and he can play nasty. He also had 50 points last year--not that I would expect him to repeat that but when's the last time a Rangers defenseman did that? What happens after acquiring someone like him is the rest of the D starts falling into place--or at least on the right side. So like last year when Quinn played Pionk as our 1RD because he's the one he felt most comfortable playing in all situations--well that **** won't be happening anymore with Trouba on our team.

So yeah--20 OA, Buchnevich and Lundkvist would be pricey. I would hope we'd have some sweetener coming back the other way. But none of those pieces are deal breakers and in Lundkvist's case we have lots of LD prospects besides Skjei who right now is our best overall D. There's Rykov, Hajek, K'Andre Miller, Lindgren, Reunanen, Ragnarsson and Bigras. I would bet money on every single one of Rykov, Hajek and K'Andre becoming very good NHL defensemen and the others could too. So push comes to shove I make that deal.
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Our thinking is similar, but note that Lundkvist is a RD.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
#20 + Buch + Lundkvist feels like a lot, but to win a bidding war for a signed Trouba (which he no doubt would be)... hmm, I might be prepared to pay that.

Would much rather move ADA or Pionk than Lundkvist (and would think that the Jets would prefer a guy who can jump in and play as well), I don't know how I feel about moving Buch vs., say, Andersson, and honestly I don't want to be giving up any draft picks at all... but he slots in so well with this team given his age, position, and style of play. It's an exorbitant price, but I could live with it. Especially since not all of the RHD currently in the system can play here.

That said, the price for O'Reilly was:

Berglund (cap dump)
Sobotka (cap dump)
Thompson (former late 1st round pick)
2019 conditional 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick

So, I'm hoping Gorts can do better than what Larry proposes...
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That would be a big mistake.
 
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