Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Waivers]

not sure I agree about the 2C...its still a big question if chytil is even a center and many feel he'll be a winger long term. and I think howden & andersson can be great 3C but not sure the offensive upside is there (hope i'm wrong there). so yes there are potential candidates but far from a sure thing that its not a need...

we like size on RD and not sure anyone is suited to be the matchup guy against the other teams top line...but there is a ton of talent and potential there. If I had to wager $$ i'd probably bet on one of Fox/Ada/Lundkvist become a top pair guy over betting that Chytil/Howden/Andersson will be a 70+ point center..although not sure I'd make that bet on either

Fair argument but the Rangers have how many looks at C? They practically have their entire forward corps who can be versatile and play C which is still up for grabs. To me, the top pairing RD is a gaping black hole. I think there’s more success in finding a possible 2C in Strome (originally thought he was a stop gap but if he elevates his play I’m not so sure he’s traded), Chytl, Howden, Andersson, Kravtsov, Kakko, moreso than finding a 1RD in DeAngelo, Fox, Lundkvist. I know Krats and Kakko aren’t true centers but numerous reports stating either player can play and feel “comfortable” doing so. That’s not to say that either of the aforementioned players at forward will definitely play 2C.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I think it takes at least one premier young piece -- Lias or Lundkvist are the most obvious -- as the centerpiece. Probably add a secondary young piece (Lindgren?) and some window dressing

That's not a prohibitive cost. I could swallow that. I don't think he would be that cheap, maybe one more asset that hurts too. But I admittedly don't know better.

 

[Bob Richards]

Jimmy Vesey's body is 60% water. Less than ice, which is 100%, but still quite a lot.

Jimmy Vesey's water content could pass a bill as a super majority.

 

[Greg02]

Jimmy Vesey's water content could pass a bill as a super majority.

Can't override a veto though, which really puts a cap on his value.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Can't override a veto though, which really puts a cap on his value.

What veto?

 

[Alluckks]

i don't even want Vesey but 3rd is probably the deal if it happened

Then why are you here? Just to get your panties twisted and argue?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

That's not a prohibitive cost. I could swallow that. I don't think he would be that cheap, maybe one more asset that hurts too. But I admittedly don't know better.

I'm not for it. We have a log jam of young players that I want to see grow up into their defensive roles before trading them away. Lias I'd be alright with trading but not lundkvist. I may be in the minority but I'm sure it would take lias, 20th, and a few other pieces. Trouba looked horrible in the playoffs and got exposed for what he really is.. a 2nd/3rd defenseman on a contending team. Plus he wants 7-8m aav?

We are a rebuilding team and building a true cup contender takes time and the right players. Let's stop with the quick fixes of buying players out which would kill our cap for when we will contend, let's stop trying to sign Karlsson and panarin, not worth the contract they will get bc I'm in the camp that at least panarin will get 12m aav. And let's stop with trying to trade our young assets for a overrated trouba who wants ridiculous money.

Stay the course, it's been one season of rebuilding

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If Buffalo really wants Vesey they’re going to have to overpay for sure. Have to it they really want the sickest individual in the league.

 

[Ola]

What veto?

Think it’s this guy:
Ivan Vetoshkin at eliteprospects.com

 

[NYR Viper]

The fact that there is a rumor about Vesey specifically screams to me Gorton is a busy man

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The fact that there is a rumor about Vesey specifically screams to me Gorton is a busy man

Next Friday should be pretty bonkers.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Next Friday should be pretty bonkers.

I'm really worried Gorton is going to give up a lot of draft picks next week

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm really worried Gorton is going to give up a lot of draft picks next week

I think it's more likely that he gives up draft picks for higher draft picks than he does for actual players.

Maybe a bit of both, but I don't really see the type of players he'd be willing to give up picks for being available.

We're definitely in quality over quantity mode now.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think it's more likely that he gives up draft picks for higher draft picks than he does for actual players.

Maybe a bit of both, but I don't really see the type of players he'd be willing to give up picks for being available.

We're definitely in quality over quantity mode now.

I just have a feeling he's going to get rid of all of our picks over the weekend

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm really worried Gorton is going to give up a lot of draft picks next week

Why do you fear this

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why do you fear this

Never mind. I was jokingly referring to Gorton using the picks. I guess I am just bored... Waiting for this week to pass

 

[Leetch3]

I just have a feeling he's going to get rid of all of our picks over the weekend

gonna give them all up for a bunch of lottery tickets that have never even played in the nhl before

 

[bobbop]

I'm not for it. We have a log jam of young players that I want to see grow up into their defensive roles before trading them away. Lias I'd be alright with trading but not lundkvist. I may be in the minority but I'm sure it would take lias, 20th, and a few other pieces. Trouba looked horrible in the playoffs and got exposed for what he really is.. a 2nd/3rd defenseman on a contending team. Plus he wants 7-8m aav?

We are a rebuilding team and building a true cup contender takes time and the right players. Let's stop with the quick fixes of buying players out which would kill our cap for when we will contend, let's stop trying to sign Karlsson and panarin, not worth the contract they will get bc I'm in the camp that at least panarin will get 12m aav. And let's stop with trying to trade our young assets for a overrated trouba who wants ridiculous money.

Stay the course, it's been one season of rebuilding

I don’t think you’ve been watching the same Trouba I have been watching.

 

[Leetch3]

any rumors out there about guys that won't be qualified around the league?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I don’t think you’ve been watching the same Trouba I have been watching.

Maybe we are seeing two different players lol. But I'm not personally okay with trying to trade young assets that are essential to our rebuild for a player who isnt a guy that's a true top defenseman in my eyes. I'm not willing to give up nils for him the 20th overall and more. Because from what I've been reading it's going to take a lot to pry him away like chytl or kratsov with those assets mentioned before.

If the price is lias and the 20th then fine by me

 

[Chainshot]

Vesey for 31 fair?

Does he arrive with Kreider in his suitcase?

More likely it'll be a mid-round pick offered or some sort of deckchair shuffle for both teams.

 

[Tob]

2nd biggest to 7th biggest forward cap hit is coming off the books this year. Only non UFA is Stromer who won't be due for much of a raise on his $3.1M. We're gonna have a pretty good garage sale of 2nd tier forwards come the deadline.

 

[Mikos87]

How does he not fit the Rangers timeline? This season he will be 25 years old. 25! What is your timeline?

No, he is not Doughty (although he just had a lousy season) or Hedman. He is a first pair right hand defenseman who can play with snarl, defend exceptionally well (he draws the tough matchups in Winnipeg) and can score. Players like Trouba are exceptionally rare.

I'm not interested in trading an unlimited amount of assets to get him but I am willing to make a fair trade. I am not interested in trading for him as a rental.

Winnipeg may find a team (Philadelphia) willing to overpay in assets and take their chances on an extension. That team should not be the Rangers.

I'm less concerned with Age in terms of the timeline and more concerned with the acquisition cost.

A rebuilding team is in the midst of accumulating assets to build their team up. If prime assets are traded for a player like Trouba, that is maybe a setback of a year in terms of being able to get those assets, and the team isn't ready to take a step.

I'm more open to signing Karlsson than trading for Trouba. The former would only cost cap space, and would be additive to the assets that the Rangers are building.

A move for Trouba would be a robbing Peter to pay Paul back with 2 years of interest added on.

That's why it doesn't work for "my timeline".

But signing a Panarin or Karlsson. I'm perfectly okay with. It's less about age, and more asset management in my mind.

 

[Mikos87]

I'm talking long term...I don't really care about next season other than how it helps the kids progress towards being the players that we hope. right now strome would be the guy, names has also played center but I could definitely see us being in the market for another veteran that can play center or wing to insulate the kids. but it has to be someone willing to sign for 1-2 years.

See I agree, and also think that the Rangers are going to try and sign a 4th line in free agency this year with one of those guys that can play up in the line-up.

I wouldn't be surprised to see if the Rangers overpay for 1 year or Filpulla. Talking to some guys out west, they think Pujujarvi would have benefitted from having a Finn to help mentor him and get him acclimated to North America, especially given the language barrier for JP.

A guy like Filpulla would be a great road mate and mentor for Kakko. Helps ease the transition. He'd also be that veteran who can slot up and down the line up and be on a short term deal.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I'm less concerned with Age in terms of the timeline and more concerned with the acquisition cost.

A rebuilding team is in the midst of accumulating assets to build their team up. If prime assets are traded for a player like Trouba, that is maybe a setback of a year in terms of being able to get those assets, and the team isn't ready to take a step.

I'm more open to signing Karlsson than trading for Trouba. The former would only cost cap space, and would be additive to the assets that the Rangers are building.

A move for Trouba would be a robbing Peter to pay Paul back with 2 years of interest added on.

That's why it doesn't work for "my timeline".

But signing a Panarin or Karlsson. I'm perfectly okay with. It's less about age, and more asset management in my mind.

I'm with you on all of that but signing Karlsson. The guy we would be getting is a shell of himself and the contract is a poor waste of cap management.