Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[FIRE DRURY]

The Leafs gave Phaneuf 7 years. The Leafs traded the contract to Ottawa for short term bad contracts. Ottawa retained money to trade Dion for Gaborik. LA is looking to buy Dion out.

Sean Avery played for the Stars in 2009. He dated Elisha Cuthbert. Dion Phaneuf was on the receiving end of Avery’s sloppy seconds comment before a 3-1 victory over Calgary. Cuthbert was also romantically linked to Mike Komisarek of the Montreal Canadians. Avery also dated model and actress Rachel Hunter, the girlfriend of Los Angeles center Jarrett Stoll.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’ve brought up Bogosian from the Sabres before. He’d be a decent stop-gap physical RD for his final year of his contract.

Bogosian + 31st for Vesey + CLB 3rd ‘19

Sabres jettison Bogo with a year left which is a considerable cap hit.

Staal-Bogosian would be so bad that I want to see it.

 

[Beerz]

I’ve brought up Bogosian from the Sabres before. He’d be a decent stop-gap physical RD for his final year of his contract.

Bogosian + 31st for Vesey + CLB 3rd ‘19

Sabres jettison Bogo with a year left which is a considerable cap hit.

Bogo isnt a cap dump....plus we are not hard up for cap space. This is horrible for Buffalo. You're not going to get a 1st rounder for Vesey

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’ve brought up Bogosian from the Sabres before. He’d be a decent stop-gap physical RD for his final year of his contract.

Bogosian + 31st for Vesey + CLB 3rd ‘19

Sabres jettison Bogo with a year left which is a considerable cap hit.

CLB 4th rounder

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bogo isnt a cap dump....plus we are not hard up for cap space. This is horrible for Buffalo. You're not going to get a 1st rounder for Vesey

Maybe not but hes a useless, horrendous player.

Keep him. Vesey+Dallas 2nd for 31.

 

[pld459666]

Friedman just said they're working towards hammering out the deal. How is that bad news?

Narrative

 

[pld459666]

Vesey was 8th on the team in ES TOI/G among forwards

Narrative

 

[Thirty One]

Bogo isnt a cap dump....plus we are not hard up for cap space. This is horrible for Buffalo. You're not going to get a 1st rounder for Vesey

Buffalo once traded a 3rd rounder for Vesey not to play for them. They would have to pay so much more for him to play for them. Hockey games are what's important. A lot of people don't realize this.

 

[Beerz]

Maybe not but hes a useless, horrendous player.

Keep him. Vesey+Dallas 2nd for 31.

He is not a horrendous player...just overpaid.
Sheary for Vesey

or a 3rd for Vesey.

 

[Beerz]

Buffalo once traded a 3rd rounder for Vesey not to play for them. They would have to pay so much more for him to play for them. Hockey games are what's important. A lot of people don't realize this.

people don't realize that hockey games are what is important?

What does that even mean?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He is not a horrendous player...just overpaid.
Sheary for Vesey

or a 3rd for Vesey.

Hes horrendous and he doesn't play, no thanks. We have no use for Sheary.

3rd is probably what I'd expect.

 

[Thirty One]

people don't realize that hockey games are what is important?

What does that even mean?

Ask yourself why St. Louis won the Cup. The answer is hockey games.

So if you're getting Vesey for hockey games, it should cost a lot more than it did last time, when you were acquiring him for zero hockey games. This is basic stuff.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

people don't realize that hockey games are what is important?

What does that even mean?

31st overall for Jimmy Vesey isn't that crazy. The chances of a 31st overall player becomes a player of the caliber of Vesey (or better) is possible, but not likely. Does Buffalo even have the time to wait for that player to develop over 3-4 years to be a contributor when they already have Eichel, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Ristolainen and Dahlin as their young core?

 

[effen]

Buffalo once traded a 3rd rounder for Vesey not to play for them. They would have to pay so much more for him to play for them. Hockey games are what's important. A lot of people don't realize this.

Hockey games are played on ice. Ice is necessary for skates to allow movement. Movement in the era of player empowerment is paramount. No-movement clauses have become commonplace. Common players end up as role players on Cup winners. Jimmy Vesey is a common player. Jimmy Vesey. Champion.

 

[Beerz]

Hes horrendous and he doesn't play, no thanks. We have no use for Sheary.

3rd is probably what I'd expect.

i don't even want Vesey but 3rd is probably the deal if it happened

 

[Beerz]

31st overall for Jimmy Vesey isn't that crazy. The chances of a 31st overall player becomes a player of the caliber of Vesey (or better) is possible, but not likely. Does Buffalo even have the time to wait for that player to develop over 3-4 years to be a contributor when they already have Eichel, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Ristolainen and Dahlin as their young core?

I don't want to use the pick... i want to trade it in a package for a better player than Vesey

 

[Good Intentions]

Vesey+Dallas 2nd for 31.

Asinine offer. No GM is engaging in any conversation in which he’s giving up 31 for DAL2, just to add Jimmy Vesey.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't want to use the pick... i want to trade it in a package for a better player than Vesey

31st+7th for Chris Kreider?

 

[Thirty One]

I'd be pretty pumped about picking up Buffalo's 3rd for Vesey.

 

[effen]

I'd be pretty pumped about picking up Buffalo's 3rd for Vesey.

You don't trade a champion for a 3rd.

 

[wafflepadsave]

...it was a joke since Buffalo traded a 3rd for his rights before he signed with us. Would've been funny to me if they traded a 3rd for him twice.

2/3 ?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Asinine offer. No GM is engaging in any conversation in which he’s giving up 31 for DAL2, just to add Jimmy Vesey.

K

 

[bobbop]

Way I see it, there are two prices for Trouba. One trade is for his rights, the cheaper of the two. The other trade is with a deal in place or already inked. That one is much higher.

We really aren't in a position to acquire him without a deal. I completely respect his right to sign where he wants, request trades, hold out, whatever. But acknowledge he is willing to exercise his rights and we can't afford him holding out and further diminishing his trade value after cap cries up and line ups become set.

So for our purposes, we want to talk number and have a deal in place. What's the price? It won't be cheap. They want cheap, contributing players. Potential impact.

For the pro-Trouba crowd, what is the price with a contract essentially in place? Instead of knee jerk answers let's talk pieces.

I think it takes at least one premier young piece -- Lias or Lundkvist are the most obvious -- as the centerpiece. Probably add a secondary young piece (Lindgren?) and some window dressing

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

People certainly have their perception of Vesey colored by the fact that he was playing 3rd line minutes for the team with the fewest ROW last year, don't they? Yes, his performance was frequently frustrating – but then again, if he'd converted a few more of those chances that left us all groaning, he'd be a 25-goal scorer, and it's hardly his fault that the team's defense was a tirefire or that the team's second and third highest scoring forwards were traded away.

He's a big, strong RFA, who should score 20-25 goals as a middle-6 guy on a good team. By no means is he worth a top 15-20 pick, but by the same token, he's worth more than a 3rd rounder IMO. Where in the middle he falls is the real question.

All that being said, I imagine the eventual deal would include players on both sides.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Hockey games are played on ice. Ice is necessary for skates to allow movement. Movement in the era of player empowerment is paramount. No-movement clauses have become commonplace. Common players end up as role players on Cup winners. Jimmy Vesey is a common player. Jimmy Vesey. Champion.

Jimmy Vesey's body is 60% water. Less than ice, which is 100%, but still quite a lot.