Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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Not advocating for a trade but the trade i would take would be for Larkin. Would Strome/ Deangelo plus Carolina's first get it done? Might have to add to it but Larkin on his deal would be perfect for the way we play.

Kreider and Larkin have chemistry. but I think Larkin is the Red Wings next captain. i would not mind him or Mantha but they would cost too much in my opinion.
 
Something that has not been mentioned but is NOT a small detail is that Kakko and Lafreniere are both exempt from the expansion draft. Many other teams are going to be losing key players or need to make moves to protect key players but the Rangers have the ability to not need to protect either of these guys. That's a big deal.

As far as moves, I'm still thinking Buch is the guy to move IF they can re-sign Fast. To me, Fast @ ~$3m per season makes more sense based on what is in the pipeline on the wing, the contracts and Fast's ability to be that utility knife guy the team will need as these players develop. It's been bandied about a bit but something like Buch + Georgiev for Nurse would be ideal.

I'm laughing a bit at myself here but I find it ironic that with the draft lottery occurring last night, I find myself more thinking that it may make more sense to sign Strome to a 3 year deal (ends right when Lafreniere's ELC is up) as long as there is not any sort of NTC or NMC included. Have the assistant coaches work with Strome and Chytil regularly on defensive zone situations/video and develop those guys.

With the addition of Lafreniere, I am LESS inclined to buy anyone out at this point. I'd bite the bullet for next season as needed (hopefully with some help by Hank retiring and Smith being traded) but in no way would I want any further 'dead' cap space.


id love Nurse on the Rangers. is Dumba still available from the Wild, so many rumors, he has to go at some point right lol?? if DeAngelo gets dealt, he can be a nice replacement.
 
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I'm right there with you on this. If we can only upgrade 1 of LD or 2C this offseason, it is a much better idea to upgrade LD, for all the reasons you outlined.
Please note we can protect only 3 D men in the expansion draft. Fox and Miller are exempts but we need to protect Trouba, ADA and Lindgren if we want them to be our future.
 
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The Habs have demoted Karl Alzner for two years straight. The Rangers should be approaching Marc Staal and telling him that he should be prepared to have that difficult conversation at the next training camp. If he is not one of the 6 best d-men at any given time they will approach him to demote him to Hartford at which time his agent will be allowed to find a team in Europe the Rangers will gladly loan him to. He will still be making his money but the Rangers will save enough to pay his replacement (be it Hajek, or Reunanen, or another young player).

Smith should be, honestly, easily traded based on his contract and his versatility. Go find a hard-nosed veteran forward and if need be, demote them and loan them out too.
 
What I would do:

1. trade Strome

2. trade Georgiev if Lundqvist won’t retire

3. sign ADA to a bridge until Lundkvist is ready

4. Give Miller and Hajek one more year of seasoning and see if they can’t supplant Smith and Staal in 21-22

5. Give Andersson, Barron, Kravstov, and Lafreniere a legitimate shot at the spots left by Fast and Strome.

6. get these tweeners like McKegg and DiGiuseppe away from our NHL roster
 
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I like Dumba but f the Rangers were to move ADA, I don't think they would want another high priced RD.

agreed. bringing in another RHD makes zero sense...if the BPA in the draft at one of our picks is RHD then still take him cause who knows what the team will look like a few years down the road when that kid is ready, but there is zero need to add one right now. even if we trade ADA, then Nils step in and we have to figure out how to get all 3 guys enough ice time.

we could use a top 4 LHD that can play with trouba...our prospect depth will fill out the rest of the left side.
 
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agreed. bringing in another RHD makes zero sense...if the BPA in the draft at one of our picks is RHD then still take him cause who knows what the team will look like a few years down the road when that kid is ready, but there is zero need to add one right now. even if we trade ADA, then Nils step in and we have to figure out how to get all 3 guys enough ice time.

we could use a top 4 LHD that can play with trouba...our prospect depth will fill out the rest of the left side.

Honestly, outside of Lundqvist the team RD depth is poor. It may be time for Gorton to start looking to back-fill that position this year in the draft. Maybe not 1st round, but I'd be inclined to look at that with at least a couple of the later round selections
 
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Honestly, outside of Lundqvist the team RD depth is poor. It may be time for Gorton to start looking to back-fill that position this year in the draft. Maybe not 1st round, but I'd be inclined to look at that with at least a couple of the later round selections

you never stop adding prospect depth to the system...its cliche but you can never have enough depth and especially in a cap league, you need to constantly be able to back fill positions with young players. so zero issue drafting, signing an undrafted FA or trading for a prospect if the deal makes sense...but no need to bring in immediate NHL help
 
He has a 16-team no-trade starting this offseason (down from full NTC), so we'll see.

They have a little flexibility to move Paquette/Goodrow/Coleman/McElhinney, but that won't be enough space for signing both Cirelli+Sergachev. You can force their hand.
I tend to think depending what Sergachev wants he would be the odd man out. He had the one bigger season but his offense just hasnt come together like everyone expected. I mean we both know it all depends how markets materialize and who would be available to fill a player's spot. It does seem like Killorn has been the guy most ID as the one to go to make room when needed, but he also seems like a heartbeat guy to that team. Seeing the conflicts and personnel decisions of a team like TBL the next couple of years should serve as a precursor to what NYR will go through at some point, but until then it will be damn fun
 
I tend to think depending what Sergachev wants he would be the odd man out. He had the one bigger season but his offense just hasnt come together like everyone expected. I mean we both know it all depends how markets materialize and who would be available to fill a player's spot. It does seem like Killorn has been the guy most ID as the one to go to make room when needed, but he also seems like a heartbeat guy to that team. Seeing the conflicts and personnel decisions of a team like TBL the next couple of years should serve as a precursor to what NYR will go through at some point, but until then it will be damn fun
Then swerve in on Sergachev after they fold in regards to Cirelli. Or do it the other way around.

I know it would never happen, but pulling a double-offersheet maneuver would be
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Then swerve in on Sergachev after they fold in regards to Cirelli. Or do it the other way around.

I know it would never happen, but pulling a double-offersheet maneuver would be
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Haha, but are we really in a place to play the offersheet game when we are discussing how we keep out players now? That's part of my concern. If the OS is even close cap wise TBL will find a way to make it work, and so it would, so you have to inflate it a bit to make it a non option for them, but in doing so could put your own team in a bind.
 
Sort of an out-of-left-field name to toss out there, but Travis Dermott intrigues me. He's of course not a "can play the top-pair" sort of guy but he really played well breaking in with the Leafs but kind of fell down the depth chart after Muzzin came along. Leafs don't have a lot of money to play with so maybe he's a guy that could shake loose. Young, cost controlled, has top-4 potential, and has the kind of skill set that could be really perfect to compliment Trouba if you get lucky.
 
There are a few American RD I really like in this draft that would help back fill for depth down the line

Eamon Powell, Brock Faber, Mason Lagenbrunner. All these kids are going to play college hockey at big time schools and will have plenty of time to marinate. These guys will be available in the mid rounds
 
Haha, but are we really in a place to play the offersheet game when we are discussing how we keep out players now? That's part of my concern. If the OS is even close cap wise TBL will find a way to make it work, and so it would, so you have to inflate it a bit to make it a non option for them, but in doing so could put your own team in a bind.
For sure, leaving the current NYR roster as is, you don't OS someone.

I think there are some roster changes the Rangers could make that, after a successful OS for one of Cirelli or Sergachev, would leave them with a better roster and fine cap space position.
 
What C's would you think could be a good reclamation project for 2c? Would trading Strome for assets and the signing Granlund be a good idea? Would trying to get a player like Wennberg whose team is in a cap crunch (esp if they want to keep Anderson) be worth it or is he limited in his potential? Is there a bad contract in TB that would help getting Cirreli for less since they have to re-sign Sergachev?
 
I think we'll all have a little better idea of where this team is after another year. They grew leaps and bounds this past season. Let's see where they are in another year.
Spot on. This is NOT the time to rush things or talk yourself into a narrative that is not realistic. Stay the course. See what steps the kids can make next year.
I do agree that moving a few prospects for an upgrade makes sense. But no reason to rush into anything. Agree that the window isn't quite as wide as many may say. But also too much turnover isn't great either. We're in a good spot. Let's see what unfolds.
And eventually this will be done. The team is NOT going to have a 100% homegrown line up. Not ALL of the prospects and young players that people love are going to be here long term. Some WILL be moved to shore up weaknesses. But let's assess where things are next year. Perhaps Strome continues to do what he has been doing with Panarin and he winds up costing less money than bringing in another center. Or maybe Chytil does start to knock the door down. For all of the promise that exists, there are some things that still need to shake out and management and coaches have to see where the glaring weaknesses are (aside from the obvious LD). See how things happen next year. If the team takes a much bigger step forward than reality dictates they probably will, adjustments to the plan may be made on the fly.
 
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Trade Georgiev to SJS for their 2nd, and maybe a + (Gambrell?)
Trade Strome to BUF for their 2nd+something minor
Trade a 4th to STL for Tyler Bozak at 50% retained (they need to shed cap)

RFA's:
Tony 5x5
Lemieux 1.2X2

UFA's:
Johan Larsson 2x2

Laf/Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Chytil/Bozak-Kakko
Laf/Kreider-Chytil/Bozak-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Larsson-Gauthier
Howden-Gambrell

Smith-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Hajek-Tony
Staal

Igor
Hank
 
I was thinking they would consider guys like DeAngelo, Strome , Buchnevich in deals
That is not nearly enough to offset taking on a huge contract. Not to mention that ZBad's contract is going to be north of $10 by itself. And then, soon enough, the youngsters will be done with ECLs. Cap space needs to be managed properly.
 
What I would do:

1. trade Strome

2. trade Georgiev if Lundqvist won’t retire

3. sign ADA to a bridge until Lundkvist is ready

4. Give Miller and Hajek one more year of seasoning and see if they can’t supplant Smith and Staal in 21-22

5. Give Andersson, Barron, Kravstov, and Lafreniere a legitimate shot at the spots left by Fast and Strome.

6. get these tweeners like McKegg and DiGiuseppe away from our NHL roster
Chytil has not shown anything that would make one think he is ready for the assignment of 2C.

DeAngelo at 24 is a 60 point defenseman. Who knows what Lundkvist is ready for or when?

Chances are far greater that Miller needs more than one more season of before he is ready for NHL duty.

You think that Andersson is ready to take Strome's spot? Barron will probably need a year or so in Hartford. Kravstov needs to knock the door down in camp. Lafreniere is neither a center nor RW. You want to simply hand 2nd line assignments to any of these names?

Lots of wish casting here.
 
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