Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

[Leetch3]

I don't see Chytil as a center long term at all.

I think Howden fits that bill a bit better with Lias taking over 3rd line duties longterm.

He looked more comfortable on the wing this season.

I think that's where he reaches his potential.

i can definitely see chytil ending up as a winger...but we need another 70+ point center behind mika to create a 1/2 punch. and i'm not sure I see that offensive upside from howden and lias. they can both be fantastic 3C and possibly even a more traditional 2C but i want a borderline 1C in that spot cause Mika isn't elite enough to allow for a weaker 2nd line center. Chytil might be the only potential center with that upside so I'm keeping him in the mix until either someone else is brought in (*cough*newhook*cough*) or howden/andersson proof me wrong and show they have that offensive upside

 

[darko]

i can definitely see chytil ending up as a winger...but we need another 70+ point center behind mika to create a 1/2 punch. and i'm not sure I see that offensive upside from howden and lias. they can both be fantastic 3C and possibly even a more traditional 2C but i want a borderline 1C in that spot cause Mika isn't elite enough to allow for a weaker 2nd line center. Chytil might be the only potential center with that upside so I'm keeping him in the mix until either someone else is brought in (*cough*newhook*cough*) or howden/andersson proof me wrong and show they have that offensive upside

Hopefully we grab that C with pick 20. I see Chytil as more of a winger too. Don't think Kreider is in our longterm plans. Chytil, Buch, Krava, Kakko as our top-6 wingers. 2C through the draft. Howden and Lias on 3rd line that could play in top-6 if there's an injury.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Mindboggling. They'll be trying to get out of that contract by year 4 or 5.

I agree but he had them over the barrel, what else could they do but pay him really, if they lost him it would have been way worse imo.

 

[LORDE]

Contracts go up BECAUSE the cap goes up. If the cap doesn’t go up, contracts won’t either.

It’s the reason why cap hit % is the better evaluator of contracts, because it tends to be stable for whichever quality of player.

Completely agree with this. Sounds like the cap won't be going up as much this coming season though and you're still going to have EK, and Panarin sign HUGE contracts. Either way we should save our cap for gaining assets or the UFA's we need in two plus years.

 

[Avery16]

They are not stupid.

Who would mistake a 13F for a top 4 D? That’s worse than Mike Milbury stupid

 

[Thirty One]

Claesson is an RFA and a guy who can sit in the press box for any number of games because we don't care about "ruining" his development. He won't cost much. He can be sent down to Hartford with likely no cap penalty.

Maybe we trade his rights, or sign him and then trade him during camp if it looks like the kids are ready. There are always teams looking for depth.

I don't see a reason to just let his rights expire for nothing.

OK, I can see the keep him around just in case reasoning, but in that case he shouldn't be discussed as blocking a youngster.

I don't see the Rangers qualifying him. Arbitration eligible players in that range often aren't qualified because teams worry their arbitration price will be above their UFA price anyways. I forget who, but someone reported the Rangers were considering moving him on deadline day. They didn't and they barely used him after that, so I'm guessing there wasn't a whole lot of interest. That was with the playoffs just around the corner and roster limits done with. So I don't think anyone is trading for his rights during the free agency period.

I like him, and he'd be a good depth player. But for someone else.

 

[kinger8998]

the best rebuild tactic is developing chytil into the best player that he can be. not trying to up strome's trade value from a 3rd round pick to a 2nd round pick. if strome or another vet is the 2C it should be to protect the development of Chytil and the other young centers. if a side benefit is raising strome's trade value at the deadline thats great but thats not the real point here IMO

well the main point of that was to not force chytil into a bad developpment position, it just so happens that instead of making a big free agent signing you'll regret when chytil (or 20th overall) can play 2C, you're showcasing a player in that role who will pull in a good asset as a rental.

 

[Ola]

The Ducks have a lot of respect for Perry. Regardless of your opinion of his antics he's one of the best players ever to wear their jersey. Seriously doubt they're attaching the 9th overall just to scuttle him. He'll go for another team's headache and then probably sign a 1 year deal with the Ducks to retire there. I'm sure some team is willing to chance that he's a better player than the 30 games after knee surgery showed.

I think that Perry would be a perfect role model for our kids. He competes tremendously hard, and haven’t slowed down one bit in that regard. Then he has lost a step, but that is another thing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

forcing Chytil to take on 2C roles he isn't ready for this season is also not how to rebuild. showcasing strome in a 2C role and then selling him off at the deadline seems like a pretty good rebuild tactic though.

as for buchnevich and deangelo, both made signifigant strides this seaosn and bridging them in not the way to go. i can see the argument on buch with kakko and kravtsov going to surpass him on RW eventually, but not with deangelo. we all got mad at management for bridging players from 2012-2015 because it created a cap crunch, but now we want them to do the same. signing young players to long-term deals that may be overpay early but steals late is how teams contend.

how to rebuild is not creating a losing culture purposely. signing karlsson and panarin to those contracts dramatically improves our team, even if we aren't contenders year 1 while our young guns still develop. karlsson gives us that elite defenseman all cup teams have have had.

panarin, zibanejad, kakko, kravtsov, chytil and possibly buch is a pretty decent bet to build around up front.

You sent the team into premature cap hell because you were worried about a "losing culture."

EK + Panarin is not going to happen.

 

[NYR Viper]

I could see the Rangers being the 3rd team in a Perry deal. Take on a couple of years of dead space, say $3m or so, and get an asset or two

 

[kovazub94]

In doing so they would undermine everything they’ve done to build correctly and organically over the past 2 seasons... they would signal the rush-job they’re starting and would do it without ANY kind of defense.

Not one player back there is going to be here when this team is “ready” aside from maybe ADA or Skjei

Pretty dumb IMO just to “go for it” now with 55% of a team

So I guess no buyouts then.

 

[kinger8998]

You sent the team into premature cap hell because you were worried about a "losing culture."

EK + Panarin is not going to happen.

i would rather be in premature cap hell right now than have an awful team that turns into the edmonton oilers because all of you are obsessed with tanking. sure both was a little agressive but i wouldn't doubt we get 1 and then sign another free agent too.

JD, Gorton and Quinn are not okay with losing, and neither are the players. we won't make playoffs next season, but the year after we will be in even if it's as a low seed.

 

[darko]

forcing Chytil to take on 2C roles he isn't ready for this season is also not how to rebuild. showcasing strome in a 2C role and then selling him off at the deadline seems like a pretty good rebuild tactic though.

as for buchnevich and deangelo, both made signifigant strides this seaosn and bridging them in not the way to go. i can see the argument on buch with kakko and kravtsov going to surpass him on RW eventually, but not with deangelo. we all got mad at management for bridging players from 2012-2015 because it created a cap crunch, but now we want them to do the same. signing young players to long-term deals that may be overpay early but steals late is how teams contend.

how to rebuild is not creating a losing culture purposely. signing karlsson and panarin to those contracts dramatically improves our team, even if we aren't contenders year 1 while our young guns still develop. karlsson gives us that elite defenseman all cup teams have have had.

panarin, zibanejad, kakko, kravtsov, chytil and possibly buch is a pretty decent bet to build around up front.

7/84 to EK and 7/77 to Panarin. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Ek + Panarin = cholera

Don’t do that

Anything but that

It’s be Suter/Parise part two.

 

[LORDE]

So I guess no buyouts then.

We'll know in a few days but I don't think it's a good idea.

I'm not the GM tho

 

[kinger8998]

7/84 to EK and 7/77 to Panarin. What could possibly go wrong?

last time i checked 6x10.5 does not equal 7/84 but sure i get the point you don't want the best defenseman in the game today. i guess i should really think about producing an opinion next time or else i will get crucified!

 

[Irishguy42]

Anaheim won't give up what it would take for us to take on Perry. Even at 50%.

 

[kinger8998]

okay after careful deliberation i've decided that i now do not want karlsson or panarin, i want to sign deangelo and buchnevich to one year deals, i want to trade everyone over 22 and i want to turn all our our center prospects into wingers. hope everyone is happy

 

[Thirty One]

okay after careful deliberation i've decided that i now do not want karlsson or panarin, i want to sign deangelo and buchnevich to one year deals, i want to trade everyone over 22 and i want to turn all our our center prospects into wingers. hope everyone is happy

If only there was some middle ground!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

i would rather be in premature cap hell right now than have an awful team that turns into the edmonton oilers because all of you are obsessed with tanking. sure both was a little agressive but i wouldn't doubt we get 1 and then sign another free agent too.

JD, Gorton and Quinn are not okay with losing, and neither are the players. we won't make playoffs next season, but the year after we will be in even if it's as a low seed.

No one said anything about tanking. Why the majority of you Pro-Panarin-EK-Whoever people are acting like UFA is the one and only way to add players is beyond me.

And JD, Gorton and Quinn are not as impatient as you, thank God.

 

[kovazub94]

Two rookie LDs? Staal, Skjei, Smith and Claesson are 4 vets. There isn’t room for any kids.

Smith is no longer D, Claesson is gone, Staal was your suggestion for buying out.

 

[pld459666]

Hopefully we grab that C with pick 20. I see Chytil as more of a winger too. Don't think Kreider is in our longterm plans. Chytil, Buch, Krava, Kakko as our top-6 wingers. 2C through the draft. Howden and Lias on 3rd line that could play in top-6 if there's an injury.

If Howden is the 3rd line center with Lemieux and Lias on the wings, that has the potential for a nasty line to play against

 

[kinger8998]

No one said anything about tanking. Why the majority of you Pro-Panarin-EK-Whoever people are acting like UFA is the one and only way to add players is beyond me.

And JD, Gorton and Quinn are not as impatient as you, thank God.

want me to send you my post when the rangers are in the playoffs 2020-2021. i'll ship it in the mail free of charge may not be with EK and Panarin, but it will be with someone. we have a #1 C in zibanejad, have what i guess should be a very good group of young winders in chytil, buch, kakko and kravtsov, and a supporting cast for them in andersson and howden, lemieux.

skjei, deangelo, fox, hajek, lindgren, reunanen is a solid foundation to start with on D, and they will only improve with more age, 2 years is just the starting point.

thats not counting any free agent signings, or the 20th overall pick this year, our 2020 pick in a very deep draft or any assets we get through trades of kreider, shattenkir, pionk, georgiev.

in fact, just like every other poster on this board, none of us are the GM's of the team, but i'd sure as hell make a better one than you

 

[Avery16]

Two rookie LDs? Staal, Skjei, Smith and Claesson are 4 vets. There isn’t room for any kids.

Claesson is the 7th D. You wouldn't want a kid in the press box. Smith is 13F. That leaves Staal and Skjei, and I could see Skjei traded for the right return, maybe at the draft.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

want me to send you my post when the rangers are in the playoffs 2020-2021. i'll ship it in the mail free of charge may not be with EK and Panarin, but it will be with someone. we have a #1 C in zibanejad, have what i guess should be a very good group of young winders in chytil, buch, kakko and kravtsov, and a supporting cast for them in andersson and howden, lemieux.

skjei, deangelo, fox, hajek, lindgren, reunanen is a solid foundation to start with on D, and they will only improve with more age, 2 years is just the starting point.

thats not counting any free agent signings, or the 20th overall pick this year, our 2020 pick in a very deep draft or any assets we get through trades of kreider, shattenkir, pionk, georgiev.

in fact, just like every other poster on this board, none of us are the GM's of the team, but i'd sure as hell make a better one than you

No you wouldn't, you'd drive us straight into the ground faster than I would.

I'm not even refuting that they can make the playoffs the year after next, I can say that they will for sure not be following your wacky ass plan.