Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

[DutchShamrock]

9OA is the starting point. i want their 1st next year too for a contract that bad

There is 2 years left. It's not that bad that its 2 1sts, likely 2 top 10 picks. You can have your price, but the descriptions lately are over the top. Everyone is the worst player in the league, albatross contracts, can't crack AHL lineups.

 

[Avery16]

If we keep Staal, Shatty and Smith for 1.5 years — how will our blueline look in 22/23 when we are supposed to start to make the POs?

Look at Skjei. Look at a kid like Nurse. It takes time for these guys to come into the NHL and establish themselves. A long time. Just go to nhl.com and look at the stats page of random defenders. When did they start to be ready to really contribute?

We can’t have 3 rookies on the blueline in 21/22 and expect to be able to make the POs anytime soon.

I have an extremely hard time seing how it can be worth it to keep all three around for 1.5 years. Like 2/3 are totally worthless fits for us too. Sure, one of Staal/Smith wouldn’t kill us. But two? It’s horrible. When we have TDA, Pionk and Fox — a small vet PPQB that can’t handle tough defensive minutes is also horrible.

I think the cost at the bottom line will be much smaller if we take care of 2/3 three this summer as opposed to in 1.5 years. Much smaller even.

So demote them (I know, not Staal) pending any deal.

 

[pld459666]

I 1000% disagree that Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk removal from the roster via a buyout is a net positive for this team.

They are better off letting the contracts terminate organically than have 4 years of dead cap space.

Especially when there is no immediate need for either roster space or cap flexibility.

Trade them with some retention, but beyond their remaining term, when we are probably going to need the cap space is extremely short sighted.

They are not hurting this team for their remaining terms.

 

[wafflepadsave]

We're a team that routinely spent to the cap. We haven't the last couple years, but we will likely do so again at some point.

I've never been a person who likes spending tomorrow's money today.

You must have a high credit rating!

 

[wafflepadsave]

I 1000% disagree that Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk removal from the roster via a buyout is a net positive for this team.

They are better off letting the contracts terminate organically than have 4 years of dead cap space.

Especially when there is no immediate need for either roster space or cap flexibility.

Trade them with some retention, but beyond their remaining term, when we are probably going to need the cap space is extremely short sighted.

They are not hurting this team for their remaining terms.

Agreed. Bring up one or two from Hartford, if they are ready, to get some experience. Smith can sit in the press box if needed.

 

[wafflepadsave]

9OA is the starting point. i want their 1st next year too for a contract that bad

No team is giving us a top 20 pick to take any contract. No way. The only way the Rangers get a second pick in the top 15 is Kreider plus the 20th. That’s not good value but I think it’s closer to reality in the age of elc contribution. Right now Arizona and Buffalo, Edmonton are looking for top six scorer.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

I would take Perry retained from Anaheim for a 2nd and smith. Even if perry is washed up, he could still play 4th line. Him and lemieux running around together would be an absolute blast. Nobody will dare hit or even look at kakko out of fear.

 

[Leetch3]

I think its 48 hours after the last cup final game or June 15, which ever comes first then later in the summer during the arbitration process.

yep but just to note, the 2nd window in august after arbitration, a team can only use that 2nd window if they had a player go to arbitration. teams with no arbitration cases don't get the 2nd window

 

[Leetch3]

There is 2 years left. It's not that bad that its 2 1sts, likely 2 top 10 picks. You can have your price, but the descriptions lately are over the top. Everyone is the worst player in the league, albatross contracts, can't crack AHL lineups.

oh I know that the price is ridiculous and unrealistic but I want no part of perry or his contract so I'm only taking him for that ridiculous price

 

[Fitzy]

I would take Perry retained from Anaheim for a 2nd and smith. Even if perry is washed up, he could still play 4th line. Him and lemieux running around together would be an absolute blast. Nobody will dare hit or even look at kakko out of fear.

Why would they do that?

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Why would they do that?

Anaheim might think smith can be a top 4 dman.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Anaheim might think smith can be a top 4 dman.

This is sarcastic right?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Why would they do that?

Frees up $4.3MM in cap space.

But I agree. My guess is the Ducks are looking to move Perry with a significant sweetener for a low AAV player/prospect to clear more cap than that. Rangers could theoretically return on Smith, but then a) they've burned one of their 2 remaining retentions for '19-'20 and b) a 2nd round pick ain't enough to entice them to do the deal...

EDIT: Wait, the Rangers are giving up the pick in this scenario? Sorry, I read too fast. Never mind. I mean, it's obvious why the Ducks would do such a deal, but if Gorts did, he should be fired on the spot.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would take Perry retained from Anaheim for a 2nd and smith. Even if perry is washed up, he could still play 4th line. Him and lemieux running around together would be an absolute blast. Nobody will dare hit or even look at kakko out of fear.

Why are we giving up a pick?

His contract is toxic.

 

[haohmaru]

This is sarcastic right?

He meant to say 4th line winger

 

[kinger8998]

No team is giving us a top 20 pick to take any contract. No way. The only way the Rangers get a second pick in the top 15 is Kreider plus the 20th. That’s not good value but I think it’s closer to reality in the age of elc contribution. Right now Arizona and Buffalo, Edmonton are looking for top six scorer.

if the rangers trade kreider AND the 20th to move up 5 spots to get into the top-15 i will literally have an aneurysm

 

[GAGLine]

Why would they do that?

Forget Anaheim, why would WE do that? Smith and a 2nd for a washed up 34 year old on a bad contract? Even with them retaining, it's a terrible, terrible idea. They should be paying us to take him, not the other way around.

 

[haohmaru]

Forget Anaheim, why would WE do that? Smith and a 2nd for a washed up 34 year old on a bad contract? Even with them retaining, it's a terrible, terrible idea. They should be paying us to take him, not the other way around.

Forget Anaheim and the Rangers, why is Corey Perry giving permission to go to a team that's not going to be competitive and waiving his NMC?

Lots of fantasy in Twitterverse.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If Perry would even waive his NMC to come to NY, it would have to be something like the #9 coming with him in exchange for say a Sean Day or a 6th round pick.

 

[kinger8998]

i really truly don't get the staal hate. sure, smith has been awful compared to when we first got him, but i found staal to be a pretty good influence on DeA and has value in that way.

imo, an ideal rangers summer for me would be:

Draft
!) Kakko.
2) In news of Krebs' achilles, maybe snag him with the 20 if he falls.
3)If you cannot come to an agreement with Kreider on a deal, trade him now. Move names and vesey.
4) Blast Pionk into orbit somewhere.
5) Explore options with Georgiev
6) Explore moving Smith with sweetner, no salary retention. If not, let him be 7D in box or bury in minors.
7) If there's interest in Zaitsev, there will be interest in Shattenkirk. Save the salary retention for this deal to possibly up return.

Resign
1) Tony DeAngelo 6/7 x $4.5-$4.9M
2) Pavel Buchnevich 6/7 x $4.5-$4.9M
3) Brendan Lemieux 2 x $1.25M

Free Agency
1) If you can get Panarin at 7 x $11M, do it.
2) See if Karlsson will go 6 x $10.5M, still one of the best defesnemen in hockey.
3) Avoid pursuing a center, let strome handle 2C and chytil 3C, trade strome at deadline and give chytil that extra responsibility down stretch.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If they would eat half his contract I'd take a flyer on Perry. He could actually play on a line with Lemieux and Anderson if it didnt work out in the top 6 and still be a real problem to play against. I'd even go for a Smith for Perry deal as long as they threw a 3rd in to compensate for the extra cap space. I may be in the minority but I think Perry needs a change of scenery to get going again, Quinn's style would suit his physical play and encourage him to use his shot more

 

[mrmovies779]

i really truly don't get the staal hate. sure, smith has been awful compared to when we first got him, but i found staal to be a pretty good influence on DeA and has value in that way.

imo, an ideal rangers summer for me would be:

Draft
!) Kakko.
2) In news of Krebs' achilles, maybe snag him with the 20 if he falls.
3)If you cannot come to an agreement with Kreider on a deal, trade him now. Move names and vesey.
4) Blast Pionk into orbit somewhere.
5) Explore options with Georgiev
6) Explore moving Smith with sweetner, no salary retention. If not, let him be 7D in box or bury in minors.
7) If there's interest in Zaitsev, there will be interest in Shattenkirk. Save the salary retention for this deal to possibly up return.

Resign
1) Tony DeAngelo 6/7 x $4.5-$4.9M
2) Pavel Buchnevich 6/7 x $4.5-$4.9M
3) Brendan Lemieux 2 x $1.25M

Free Agency
1) If you can get Panarin at 7 x $11M, do it.
2) See if Karlsson will go 6 x $10.5M, still one of the best defesnemen in hockey.
3) Avoid pursuing a center, let strome handle 2C and chytil 3C, trade strome at deadline and give chytil that extra responsibility down stretch.

This post made my head spin.Giving TDA and Buch those terms are crazy.Add in offers for both Panarin and EK.Strome as 2c.This is effectively how not to rebuild and kill your cap space at the same time.Well done.

 

[Mac n Gs]

If the Ducks use LTIR, they really don't need to worry about cap space for this season. Here's an excerpt from the same Mirtle piece that RangerBoy posted earlier about our cap space:

9. Anaheim Ducks
2019-20 salaries: $63.8 million
RFAs estimate: $1 million
Projected cap space: $18.2 million
Anaheim is a bit of a weird one.
If they use LTIR, which is how I calculated the cap-space figure above, then they have plenty of space to do something significant this summer. And they kind of need to, given how their season went and the fact they only have three veterans signed on defense.
But the Ducks are rarely a cap team — let alone a team that exceeds the cap — so they may not choose to take the $10 million in LTIR money from Ryan Kesler and Patrick Eaves and invest it on their blue line.
If they don’t go into LTIR, however, their cap space shrinks to about $8 million. And they’ll need to sign a couple forwards, two or three defensemen and a backup goaltender. Yikes.
Notable unsigned UFAs: Ryan Miller, Derek Grant

Mirtle: Ranking all 31 NHL team's salary-cap situations,...

They don't have any significant RFAs to sign this year, but they'll need space next season. It seems like they'll be fine, regarding the cap, for this summer and may even try to make a move or two to give Getzlaf one last kick at a playoff run. They'll have a healthy Kase this year, plus full seasons of Max Jones and Troy Terry. I don't think they need to make any stupid decisions just to clear up cap space they don't immediately need.

 

[apoptygma]

I do Perry + 9oa for Smith. Could retain on Smith if we got some more picks. The 9oa should give us one of the good center prospects we are craving.

 

[True Blue]

thats how I would go...the only real question mark would be around Chytil and concerns over damaging his development by putting him in over his head as the 2C. but as long as you are ok with strome or names taking over that gives you insurance. other option would be to look to sign another veteran center on a short term deal as a just in case

I actually do not want to see kids develop on the 4th line this year. I would like to see Chityl & Howden split duties at wing and center on the second line while Andersson mans the 3C spot with Lemieux & Strome as wings. Let Nieves or whomever else be on the 4th.