Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[Chalfdiggity3]

If the RANGERS DO NOT GET #1 (Mercy Me) I expect them to draft Kaiden Guhle as their pick at around #10/11/12. Their later 1st round pick might be upgraded (using assets), if the right guy is available, to get a center...

Is that kid any good? I mean how many defenseman are we going to continue to draft?

 

[haveandare]

The Rangers haven't had a 1st overall pick since 1965 but we expect them to look at trading down if they are gifted one?

Seriously. And in one of those years where we’ve been hearing about the 1OA this year being the best in this draft year since they were like 13. This isn’t a Yakupov draft - people have been talking about Laf going first this year forever. Not taking him at first given the chance would be insane.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

The Rangers haven't had a 1st overall pick since 1965 but we expect them to look at trading down if they are gifted one?

The lengths we'd go to not to take a player from the Q

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I hate that we already suspect who we're gonna take. I strongly believe in taking the best player available and the notion that we already have in mind the guy we're going to take means that they'll take a guy they like over someone who may fall.

So like if Rossi or Perfetti are there, they'd still opt for Guhle? Yeah, I'm not down with that, but it does seem to be the Rangers M.O. Picking a player they fall in love with instead of a player that falls and who they don't expect to be there.

Isnt that what happened when we took McIlrath over Terasenko?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Isnt that what happened when we took McIlrath over Terasenko?

Yessir. Sure did. Same with Montoya. Same with a lot of our picks. It's why we take a random player that no one has heard of like Olof Lindbom over guys like Bode Wilde, Akil Thomas and Ryan McLeod.

I'm obviously oversimplifying things, but they should take the best player available. Sure, they could speculate on who will be available when they pick, but they should really play it by ear because players who you don't expect to be there when you pick will fall.

 

[Leetch3]

I hate that we already suspect who we're gonna take. I strongly believe in taking the best player available and the notion that we already have in mind the guy we're going to take means that they'll take a guy they like over someone who may fall.

So like if Rossi or Perfetti are there, they'd still opt for Guhle? Yeah, I'm not down with that, but it does seem to be the Rangers M.O. Picking a player they fall in love with instead of a player that falls and who they don't expect to be there.

fans guessing at who they will take doesn't mean that the team doesn't have a list and will take the best player left on their list...they have never not done this. their list might be wrong but they go by their list.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

We should be rioting in the streets if the Rangers take Guhle at 10/11/12

Gordie Clark should be fired immediately if they do that

 

[Synergy27]

How mad would you be if we took Askarov with our 1st, 1st round pick?

This post has me off on a f***ing tangent.

I’ve found myself in this situation with this team before, asking myself “why do I root for this team”. The team I fell in love with as a kid is long gone. Most of the stud prospects I’ve liked over the years were picked by other teams. Why I do continue to irrationally root for the team I liked as a kid, mainly because of geography and because I wished I could stickhandle like Alex Kovalev?

How long can someone go on rooting for a team when you disagree with most of their managerial decisions and the emotional connections to your youth are long gone?

Not saying I am at that place right now, but i can see myself getting there after something that monumentally dumb.

 

[JimmyG89]

It's not 100% that whoever gets #1 is taking Lafreniere. There are a lot of teams, including the Rangers, that are in need of a potential 1C and Byfield literally checks every box you want. Brooks already wrote about how is the Rangers get the #1 pick it would not be a slam dunk for Lafreniere because of Byfield and what the team needs.

Looking at the three teams that are out: Rangers, Jets, and Panthers, I'd argue that both the Jets and the Rangers need that center. The Panthers have Barkov, so they don't and are potentially losing Hoffman and Dadonov this offseason. Laf would slot into their top 6 by the end of next season, if not earlier than that. Winnipeg has tons of wingers already and beyond Scheifele, they do not have much. Roslovic has underwhelmed.

The teams down 2-1 in their series: Pens, Oilers, Wild, Preds, and Leafs. Leafs, Oilers, and Pens would take Lafreniere, they have their top 2 centers. Wild desperately need a 1C and have Fiala, Kaprizov, Donato, Greenway, Zucc, and Parise. Sure, one could slot on the 4th line, but outside of Boldy, no center prospects. Preds probably take Lafreniere. They have a ton invested into their centers, not much in the pipeline, but beyond Forsberg and Arvidsson, their wingers leave a lot to be desired.

For the teams that are up 2-1: Columbus, Montreal, Arizona, Chicago, and Vancouver. Vancouver and Chicago would go Lafreniere, both have young centers that were high picks with Toews and Horvat having their roles on the team locked in. Montreal probably should take Byfield, but their fans would riot if they passed on Lafreniere. Arizona and Columbus probably take Lafreniere. PLD needs a running mate in Columbus. Hayton was taken #5 a few years back and they have Schmaltz and Dvorak locked in as a C for a while.

Lafreniere: Panthers, Pens, Oilers, Preds, Leafs, Columbus, Arizona, Chicago, and Vancouver
Byfield: Rangers, Jets, Wild, Montreal (but they won't)

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Yessir. Sure did. Same with Montoya. Same with a lot of our picks. It's why we take a random player that no one has heard of like Olof Lindbom over guys like Bode Wilde, Akil Thomas and Ryan McLeod.

I'm obviously oversimplifying things, but they should take the best player available. Sure, they could speculate on who will be available when they pick, but they should really play it by ear because players who you don't expect to be there when you pick will fall.

Im still heartbroken after that pick was made when taresanko was still there.

 

[LokiDog]

The only way I’d want to take a Dman at 10 is if Sanderson is still there. I’d look at Quinn, Lundell, Mercer. Maybe Rossi falls.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

It's not 100% that whoever gets #1 is taking Lafreniere. There are a lot of teams, including the Rangers, that are in need of a potential 1C and Byfield literally checks every box you want. Brooks already wrote about how is the Rangers get the #1 pick it would not be a slam dunk for Lafreniere because of Byfield and what the team needs.

Looking at the three teams that are out: Rangers, Jets, and Panthers, I'd argue that both the Jets and the Rangers need that center. The Panthers have Barkov, so they don't and are potentially losing Hoffman and Dadonov this offseason. Laf would slot into their top 6 by the end of next season, if not earlier than that. Winnipeg has tons of wingers already and beyond Scheifele, they do not have much. Roslovic has underwhelmed.

The teams down 2-1 in their series: Pens, Oilers, Wild, Preds, and Leafs. Leafs, Oilers, and Pens would take Lafreniere, they have their top 2 centers. Wild desperately need a 1C and have Fiala, Kaprizov, Donato, Greenway, Zucc, and Parise. Sure, one could slot on the 4th line, but outside of Boldy, no center prospects. Preds probably take Lafreniere. They have a ton invested into their centers, not much in the pipeline, but beyond Forsberg and Arvidsson, their wingers leave a lot to be desired.

For the teams that are up 2-1: Columbus, Montreal, Arizona, Chicago, and Vancouver. Vancouver and Chicago would go Lafreniere, both have young centers that were high picks with Toews and Horvat having their roles on the team locked in. Montreal probably should take Byfield, but their fans would riot if they passed on Lafreniere. Arizona and Columbus probably take Lafreniere. PLD needs a running mate in Columbus. Hayton was taken #5 a few years back and they have Schmaltz and Dvorak locked in as a C for a while.

Lafreniere: Panthers, Pens, Oilers, Preds, Leafs, Columbus, Arizona, Chicago, and Vancouver
Byfield: Rangers, Jets, Wild, Montreal (but they won't)

You take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. That is hands down Lafrienere.

 

[LeetchisGod]

We should be rioting in the streets if the Rangers take Guhle at 10/11/12

Gordie Clark should be fired immediately if they do that

Clark should have been fired a long time ago.

 

[Rangers394]

It's not 100% that whoever gets #1 is taking Lafreniere. There are a lot of teams, including the Rangers, that are in need of a potential 1C and Byfield literally checks every box you want. Brooks already wrote about how is the Rangers get the #1 pick it would not be a slam dunk for Lafreniere because of Byfield and what the team needs.

Looking at the three teams that are out: Rangers, Jets, and Panthers, I'd argue that both the Jets and the Rangers need that center. The Panthers have Barkov, so they don't and are potentially losing Hoffman and Dadonov this offseason. Laf would slot into their top 6 by the end of next season, if not earlier than that. Winnipeg has tons of wingers already and beyond Scheifele, they do not have much. Roslovic has underwhelmed.

The teams down 2-1 in their series: Pens, Oilers, Wild, Preds, and Leafs. Leafs, Oilers, and Pens would take Lafreniere, they have their top 2 centers. Wild desperately need a 1C and have Fiala, Kaprizov, Donato, Greenway, Zucc, and Parise. Sure, one could slot on the 4th line, but outside of Boldy, no center prospects. Preds probably take Lafreniere. They have a ton invested into their centers, not much in the pipeline, but beyond Forsberg and Arvidsson, their wingers leave a lot to be desired.

For the teams that are up 2-1: Columbus, Montreal, Arizona, Chicago, and Vancouver. Vancouver and Chicago would go Lafreniere, both have young centers that were high picks with Toews and Horvat having their roles on the team locked in. Montreal probably should take Byfield, but their fans would riot if they passed on Lafreniere. Arizona and Columbus probably take Lafreniere. PLD needs a running mate in Columbus. Hayton was taken #5 a few years back and they have Schmaltz and Dvorak locked in as a C for a while.

Lafreniere: Panthers, Pens, Oilers, Preds, Leafs, Columbus, Arizona, Chicago, and Vancouver
Byfield: Rangers, Jets, Wild, Montreal (but they won't)

I like Byfield a lot and his size, speed, and skill is so rare at that position but if Lafreniere is indeed a franchise winger, we need to pick him and get our center some other way.

 

[Rangers394]

Clark should have been fired a long time ago.

Clark should have been fired a long time ago.

Should have been gone after the 2010 debacle. Sorry, double quoted by mistake.

 

[Synergy27]

Im still heartbroken after that pick was made when taresanko was still there.

See my post above. This was very nearly the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I legitimately can’t recall ever being on a sports related emotional roller coaster like I was that night. I was literally banging my head on my desk after the pick was made.

How many times can you go through that with a team before it stops making sense to support them?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

See my post above. This was very nearly the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I legitimately can’t recall ever being on a sports related emotional roller coaster like I was that night. I was literally banging my head on my desk after the pick was made.

How many times can you go through that with a team before it stops making sense to support them?

Well i will always support and be a diehard rangers fan. But i felt the exact same way during that draft. How they fuked that up is mind boggling

 

[Rangers394]

See my post above. This was very nearly the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I legitimately can’t recall ever being on a sports related emotional roller coaster like I was that night. I was literally banging my head on my desk after the pick was made.

How many times can you go through that with a team before it stops making sense to support them?

Yep. A pick like that arguably cost us a cup between 2012-2016. Add Tarasenko or even another solid top 6er like Schwartz to those teams and maybe we have a cup since we have more depth

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yep. A pick like that arguably cost us a cup between 2012-2016. Add Tarasenko or even another solid top 6er like Schwartz to those teams and maybe we have a cup since we have more depth

At the time I was ready to jump off a bridge.

Then the team was really good starting in 2012 and it helped ease the sting.

And now in hindsight it stings again because you can definitely make the argument you are making.

 

[Rangers394]

At the time I was ready to jump off a bridge.

Then the team was really good starting in 2012 and it helped ease the sting.

And now in hindsight it stings again because you can definitely make the argument you are making.

We just can't keep blowing top 10 picks if we ever want to be successful. We never draft in the top 10 and then when we do, we get nothing out of it. Just sickening. Kakko not included since he was a no brainer at 2, a blind person could have made that pick.

 

[Mugless]

Draft Lafreniere, trade for Eichel, Stanley Cup. Shit isn't complicated.

 

[surlysailor]

If the RANGERS DO NOT GET #1 (Mercy Me) I expect them to draft Kaiden Guhle as their pick at around #10/11/12. Their later 1st round pick might be upgraded (using assets), if the right guy is available, to get a center...

Ugh at 10-12 there is more likely a lot better player than Guhle. Guhle will make the NHL most likely (unlike McIlrath) but there will be higher upside players available. Plus Guhle might still be there with the Carolina pick.

 

[LeetchisGod]

We just can't keep blowing top 10 picks if we ever want to be successful. We never draft in the top 10 and then when we do, we get nothing out of it. Just sickening. Kakko not included since he was a no brainer at 2, a blind person could have made that pick.

This is why it's mind boggling that some here want us to try something clever if we are lucky enough to get the #1 pick. This organization has shown time and time again that they aren't clever when it comes to drafting.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

The only way I’d want to take a Dman at 10 is if Sanderson is still there. I’d look at Quinn, Lundell, Mercer. Maybe Rossi falls.

I remember reading an article (I think in the Athletic) that showed through stats that you're much better off drafting forwards in the first round (unless you have a chance to draft the next Hedman/Lidstrom) because the stats showed an overwhelmingly larger number of top 4 D men being drafted in rounds 2-4 than top 6 forwards.

 

[Avery16]

Could affect a Barkov decision.