Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[NernieBichols]

I've heard some speculation that Trouba wants to go to Detroit and so there's always the "if you acquire him will he re-sign if he wants to play for Detroit instead??" thing but obviously if you trade for him it's because you already have a deal in place pretty much (I would hope)
Hard to tell how much of that is "he's from Michigan!" and how much is real

I’ve read the same and wonder the same. That’s why I include them as a possibility

 

[Beacon]

I feel like we keep piling on, while insisting that this really about the kids.

Already, depending on the thread and the day, we’re talking about Karlsson, Trouba, Panarin, some combination of two of them, or other ideas that just really don’t fit right now.

We hedge our comments with things like, “it will help the kids.” But already I wonder, where does it stop?

It’s only Karlsson. It’s only Trouba. It’s only Panarin. Okay...how about two of em? Well...hey, Nylander is available. I mean we have to ask him about him right?

For a team that hasn’t even finished a second post-letter draft, we sure seem to have a nice Christmas list of talent we want to go out and get.

You don't understand. Just like no UFA like Panarin was ever available before or will ever be available again, no trade target as good as Trouba will be available again. We must acquire every big name on the market... think of the kids!

 

[Lays]

Proposed this on the main board and people said this was an overpayment
Skjei+20th+Howden for a signed Trouba

I’d do this pretty easily, Jets get a solid middle pair dman behind Morrissey on a decent contract, 20th overall, and a middle 6 C to replace Little. We get a top pairing RHD likely at 8 million

 

[nyrage]

Imagine how much cap space the Rangers might have when Heiskanen hits restricted free agency. By order of the Peaky Blinders.

I don't know what's funnier: Your Peaky Blinders comment or that Alfie Solomons liked it.

 

[SA16]

Trouba is a bad fit for this team. I like him as a player but it doesn't really make much sense. I wouldn't play him on the PP at all if he were on this team and it's kind of rough to pay so much money to a player and not want to use him there. The team needs LHD far more than RHD anyway. I'd obviously do something like Skjei+ (depending on the +) regardless just because he's much better though.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Rangers have wanted Trouba for years. This I know and have stated several times.

Interest means interest. Serious such

There was serious talk when Trouba was holding out. But the ask was too rich to swallow.

This is straight up HF porn to me. This is why I frequent these boards. For posts like this..

Thank you for sharing, as usual.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Proposed this on the main board and people said this was an overpayment
Skjei+20th+Howden for a signed Trouba

I’d do this pretty easily, Jets get a solid middle pair dman behind Morrissey on a decent contract, 20th overall, and a middle 6 C to replace Little. We get a top pairing RHD likely at 8 million

It's interesting, I like Trouba a lot and think he's a #1 defenseman at 5v5, but if he's not going to be on the PP, which he shouldn't if ADA and FOx are here then he's probably not worth 8M a season.

 

[Edge]

Proposed this on the main board and people said this was an overpayment
Skjei+20th+Howden for a signed Trouba

I’d do this pretty easily, Jets get a solid middle pair dman behind Morrissey on a decent contract, 20th overall, and a middle 6 C to replace Little. We get a top pairing RHD likely at 8 million

Ugh that whole concept just feels awful to read at this point. Shipping out Howden after a year, sending a pick back after having it for a grand total of 3 months.

Losing the one kid who actually stuck at center, shipping out 2 picks in the top 40 before we get to use them.

Just not digging this train of thought lately.

 

[Lays]

Ugh that whole concept just feels awful to read at this point. Shipping out Howden after a year, sending a pick back after having it for a grand total of 3 months.

Losing the one kid who actually stuck at center, shipping out 2 picks in the top 40 before we get to use them.

Just not digging this train of thought lately.

Howden is replaceable, we already have a lot of prospects. We’re getting a young, guaranteed top pair RHD. Shouldn’t be afraid of losing a player like Howden and I’m a fan of him. Gorton has also stated many times he wants this to be a quick rebuild

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Proposed this on the main board and people said this was an overpayment
Skjei+20th+Howden for a signed Trouba

I’d do this pretty easily, Jets get a solid middle pair dman behind Morrissey on a decent contract, 20th overall, and a middle 6 C to replace Little. We get a top pairing RHD likely at 8 million

huge overpayment. Trouba is not that amazing top Dman that we are looking for.

 

[bobbop]

One of the things that figure into some of the potential salaries being bandied about for RFAs is that agents and teams are already planning for a continued increase in the salary cap. A big increase. The new national TV contract in the US is expected to double the current revenue and provide a $5-7MM increase to the cap in and of itself. All types of revenue continue to rise. Seattle will come into the league as a high revenue team. Look at some of these salaries in light of what will almost certainly be a $90-95 MM salary cap in the next 3-4 years and they start to make a little more sense.

 

[bobbop]

Re: Trouba. If there is a deal to be made, I believe Lias Andersson is the most logical player to be the centerpiece. The Jets need help at center. They need lower cost contracts. He fills a lot of their needs.

No one is going to be excited if that is the starting point but I personally think the #20 pick is not going to be on the table. Lias plus a defenseman feels like the core deal structure to me.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Proposed this on the main board and people said this was an overpayment
Skjei+20th+Howden for a signed Trouba

I’d do this pretty easily, Jets get a solid middle pair dman behind Morrissey on a decent contract, 20th overall, and a middle 6 C to replace Little. We get a top pairing RHD likely at 8 million

I would do it for Howden and Skjel, but adding the 20th is IMHO an overpayment.

 

[NYRKING30]

I remember before Trouba signed his last 2 year deal in 2016 that the rumored package was Sjkei and Miller for Trouba. Im not sure he would be the centerpiece this time around, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them liking a guy like Pionk or obviously ADA. I know if I was Gorton, I wouldn't be giving a massive package for Trouba but I would be interested as I have a lot of the same concerns @Edge has.

 

[eco's bones]

We are just so early on in this process.

We are already projecting out our future based on a number of players who haven’t even played 1 second of NHL hockey - Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist, Rykov, Shesterkin, etc.

Our more advanced prospects are 19-21, many with less than 100 pro games. We’re not talking about adding Trouba to a group of guys who are 23, 24, have a season or two of steadily increasing success under them.

And Trouba very well could be the next MCD. But I don’t see the next McD necessarily putting this group, at this time on his back. And that’s both what we’d be asking (and paying) Trouba to do.

Is it better than what we have now? Yeah, it is.

Does it strike me as a good combination? Very uneasy about that.

What makes me even uneasier is cobbling together a right side out of DeAngelo, Fox, Shattenkirk and Pionk. They're all small--they all get outmuscled often. They (assuming in Fox's case as a first year pro) all have defensive issues. Of that bunch the only one who got significant penalty kill time last year Pionk is the player that's disliked the most but how the other three would handle the penalty kill is pretty much an unknown but I suspect would be even worse. So Trouba would represent to me a guy who you could give major minutes to--who could help out both on offense and defense, play physically and play in all situations. That's why I see him as someone who can stabilize our D and yeah I think he 'could' be as good as McD was--but no it's not something that would be a certainty either--but then again I think if Buchnevich and DeAngelo our going the other way they are risky players as well if we're talking about reaching projections.

Trading for Trouba we should also expect he's going to get a max term contract for a lot of $'s. There's no point in giving up that kind of package for a player who is going to walk away the next year. That's part of the deal too.

 

[Vitto79]

plus if you make a deal for trouba you'd need to get rid of shattenkirk and we know we can't move him

This is a good point but that can’t stop them for going after Trouba

Plus Shatty at 2 yrs for a F of the same term and similar money is likely do able to open a spot

 

[Vitto79]

Trouba feels like a #2 on a really good team. We're clearly not one yet, but the end goal is to get there. Acquiring a #2 in a big trade right now is premature. We should have similar assets a few years down the line. We're not in the business of trading 1st rounders, so we should be able to have prospect depth behind what we have now, even in two years.

We'd also know a hell of a lot more about our current team.

I'd prefer to avoid his market at this point. Give Tony and Fox big minutes on the right side this year. Allow them to develop. Reassess in a year.

DeAngelo may not have the complete game that Trouba has, but we don't need him too right now. Same from Fox. We can develop that game. What we have is two RHD that have the potential to be 50 point guys.

If in a season or two they aren't taking those steps and the rest of the roster is, we can look at getting a player. There will be players to target. Let's not start blowing through our deep pool of assets that we just started putting together.

I’m not sure management feels DeAngelo is as good as some fans think

Winnipeg is going to want their 1st back , young RD , prospect C. I’m fine the 1st two and don’t want to move the Howden or Andersson

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers I would think are going to actively try to move Shattenkirk--whether they'll be successful I don't know. I expect we'll be retaining if we do.

 

[haohmaru]

You don't understand. Just like no UFA like Panarin was ever available before or will ever be available again, no trade target as good as Trouba will be available again. We must acquire every big name on the market... think of the kids!

Who is saying this besides you, sarcastically? Nobody.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Howden showed so much promise in his role during his rookie year. People have been proposing some 4th line help because it's important, meanwhile our future 3rd line center is easily replaceable.

Add trouba, what about Shattenkirk, Fox, ADA, Pionk and Smith? Buyouts? Trades for other bad contracts? Just hold them all until they expire in a few seasons? Seems like we are making a big move and then eating a poison pill for the first 2 years, minimum, of the deal because of other bad contracts.

On top of it we trade Lias, another cog of the 3rd line. Like Edge mentioned, 2 top 40 picks and 2/3 of the 3rd line in one summer. From a team building perspective, for a rebuilding team that doesn't know much, with more big assets coming in, it doesn't leave me with a great feeling. Yes, we added the more valuable pieces in those trades but I want to know about the other parts like fixing the 3rd and 4th line, and shedding contracts. What's the plan?

 

[haohmaru]

Re: Trouba. If there is a deal to be made, I believe Lias Andersson is the most logical player to be the centerpiece. The Jets need help at center. They need lower cost contracts. He fills a lot of their needs.

No one is going to be excited if that is the starting point but I personally think the #20 pick is not going to be on the table. Lias plus a defenseman feels like the core deal structure to me.

I don't see Lias being the centerpiece of any trade. I'm pulling for the guy to put it together (and I think he will) but I don't see why another team is trading a core young D for Lias +. Howden would even make more sense at this point because he's shown more than Lias has.

Personally, I hope he signs a one year deal and becomes a UFA next year. I don't see the Rangers trading the assets they need to to get a guy like Trouba at this stage of their team-building. Other teams will be offering significantly for Trouba.

 

[Ola]

I’m not sure management feels DeAngelo is as good as some fans think

Winnipeg is going to want their 1st back , young RD , prospect C. I’m fine the 1st two and don’t want to move the Howden or Andersson

Yeah, Gorton have had problems with pro-scouting. And it certainly was an issue under Sather. I definitely think that a sound argument can be made for that TDA was our second best skater last season. We -- as a team -- created offense when he was out there. He was a very big part of that offense.

Look, if TDA is a head-case that we can't work with, can't support and steer the right way -- sure, dump him ASAP. Don't give him a longer contract. But if we feel that we are capable of steering him right, I definitely hope that Gorton recognize how much TDA contributes on the ice. Its a bit comparable to the situation when Sather chased Zuccarello to the KHL haggling over a hundred K on a 2 year deal. Zuccarello was before that on many nights one of our better players. On many nights, Zucc was the one who created the most offense for us. He was hardly the solid star he became when he got older -- but he certainly contributed and especially showed signs of being able to get there.

I feel the same way with TDA. There is talks about his ability to skate with the puck, and sure its very good. But his ability to distribute the puck and just how fast he moves it around is just very rare and tremendously impressive. But since he is seen as a bit of a hot-head and what not he doesn't get credit for it. If he was this quite guy who came from Europe or College or whatever, I am sure people would be raving more about his hockey sense.

 

[NernieBichols]

You don't understand. Just like no UFA like Panarin was ever available before or will ever be available again, no trade target as good as Trouba will be available again. We must acquire every big name on the market... think of the kids![/QUO

I would do it for Howden and Skjel, but adding the 20th is IMHO an overpayment.

i am not trading howden for anyone. He’s off the table

???

 

[Ghost of jas]

Re: Trouba. If there is a deal to be made, I believe Lias Andersson is the most logical player to be the centerpiece. The Jets need help at center. They need lower cost contracts. He fills a lot of their needs.

No one is going to be excited if that is the starting point but I personally think the #20 pick is not going to be on the table. Lias plus a defenseman feels like the core deal structure to me.

That’s what I’ve been saying...Andersson and Skjei.

 

[Vitto79]

That’s what I’ve been saying...Andersson and Skjei.

I’m not fixing the RD to hurt the LD

Ideally it’s Miller , Skjei , Hajek or Lindgren or Rykov then Trouba , Fox , TDA or Pionk , Lundkvist

Something like that anyway. Jets likely take Andersson w DeAngelo plus a pick which is funny if it happens cause it’s almost the Stepan deal