Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[egelband]

I would do it for Howden and Skjel, but adding the 20th is IMHO an overpayment.

Yeah. I think Skjei is better and has more value around the league than many here think. Not to mention the good contract. He's a very modern and trending type of defender. I don't think JG trades him unless it's an overwhelming offer. Maybe a committed trouba would work. But I don't think JG is adding. Just my opinion.

 

[Vitto79]

The move is to trade for Colin Miller to replace Pionk. Can PK and chip in offense too. He's played in big games with Vegas this year and last. Most importantly, offers experience.

No brainer to go for him over the Troubas and Karlssons of the league.

Always thought Miller was a PP not PK guy ? .... isn’t the plan to give Fox and DeAngelo the PP and move Shattenkirk ?

 

[NernieBichols]

I’m not fixing the RD to hurt the LD

Ideally it’s Miller , Skjei , Hajek or Lindgren or Rykov then Trouba , Fox , TDA or Pionk , Lundkvist

Something like that anyway. Jets likely take Andersson w DeAngelo plus a pick which is funny if it happens cause it’s almost the Stepan deal

Ideally it’s already

Miller
Hajek
Lindgren or someone else

 

[NernieBichols]

In sorry, I’m not trading DeAngelo. Not even for Trouba.

I like the look of

Trouba
Deangelo
Fox

 

[NernieBichols]

You are assuming Trouba signs a 1-year deal them

Again, what reason does Jacob Trouba have to commit for another year instead of just becoming UFA

 

[Kocur Dill]

just not in favor of what I expect the price to be.

Neither am I. They will want a LD in return. They have offense. LD is need with Meyers possibly gone as a UFA.

We can only accommodate that with Skjei and to let Brady go feels like robbing Peter to pay Paul as we have no idea what our LD prospects can do at the NHL level leaving Staal as our #1 LD for the foreseeable future. NO THANKS. LoL.

Even hypothetically, the most I go is Skjei + Andersson or Fast/Namestnikov depending on WPG's preference for a win-now forward or future potential forward. Even then, Trouba is not signed. No-guarentee Trouba may not be worth any add to Skjei at all.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pionk and 20 or GTFO.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The move is to trade for Colin Miller to replace Pionk. Can PK and chip in offense too. He's played in big games with Vegas this year and last. Most importantly, offers experience.

No brainer to go for him over the Troubas and Karlssons of the league.

I’m down with this. This is a good idea.

Engelland is a UFA tho so the right side is going to open up for them. Probably need to send Pionk back. Or maybe Shatty at 50% if they’re interested.

 

[Leetch3]

Again, what reason does Jacob Trouba have to commit for another year instead of just becoming UFA

unless he just want to go back home to det, the reason is the same as every player that signs a long term deal and thats the security. if you can sign a 7-8 year deal this year for $8 mil and be guaranteed that vs waiting a year to possibly get a little more on a 7 year deal thats a big financial risk

of course that also assumes he is somewhere that he wants to spend the next 7-8 years. I don't think he'd sign that with winnipeg even if they could afford him but doesn't mean he doesn't get traded to a spot he would

 

[I Eat Crow]

also colin miller average 0:35 per game on the PK so he wasn't a key penalty killer for vegas. the only regular that played less on the pk is shea theodore

I think there's untapped two way potential with Miller. He's an advanced stats darling but can hold his own in his own end from what I've seen. Certainly wouldn't be my first choice to be on the first PK unit, but he'd make due on the second unit and would certainly be better than Pionk or DeAngelo there.

 

[GAGLine]

its too early to try to add the final piece to the blueline. so many unknowns. how are you supposed to figure out what piece is missing when you haven't put together the parts of the puzzle you have?

In general, you are correct, but in the case of our defense, I think it's pretty obvious that we don't have anyone on the right side who can play a top four shutdown role. Keane is the only guy who might be able to fill that role in the future.

I'm not married to the idea of trading for Trouba, but we definitely need someone like him. Get me Seider with the 20th pick and I'll be happy. Or maybe we can trade for some other young, up-and-coming dman who can fill that role. I trust Gorton and company to find the right solution, but it's definitely a problem that doesn't need to wait until the rest gets sorted out.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Considering the fact that every team in the league needs an RD 1, you have to think that Trouba simply doesnt want to be in Winnipeg. Wait this one out, the price is too damn high. My best offer would be Buch + Pionk + 20 but i only do that if i can trade Kreider for a top20 pick.

 

[Avery16]

Is there some new Trouba rumor I missed? Not sure why we’d make a move for a RD right now

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is there some new Trouba rumor I missed? Not sure why we’d make a move for a RD right now

Bob McKenzie mentioned that the Rangers will be "all over" Trouba in his latest podcast.

I mean they don't need to make a move right now, but they do need to do something on the right side somewhat soon. We're incredibly homogenous on the right side of the D organizationally.

 

[SA16]

Then name a RD target ... need a guy that can PK

I guarantee DeAngelo can PK perfectly well if they play him there.

 

[Leetch3]

I guarantee DeAngelo can PK perfectly well if they play him there.

hopefully he gets a chance to do that this year

 

[NernieBichols]

unless he just want to go back home to det, the reason is the same as every player that signs a long term deal and thats the security. if you can sign a 7-8 year deal this year for $8 mil and be guaranteed that vs waiting a year to possibly get a little more on a 7 year deal thats a big financial risk

of course that also assumes he is somewhere that he wants to spend the next 7-8 years. I don't think he'd sign that with winnipeg even if they could afford him but doesn't mean he doesn't get traded to a spot he would

I get that. The OP has been harping on the fact that trouba ONLY becomes a UFA next summer if he signs a one year deal with winnipeg. But isn’t that the obvious. I mean trouba could give the Jets more years but why would he? They aren’t signing him long term, so he’d just be prolonging his big payday and choosing his team.

 

[Tawnos]

you only aren't if all the kids are as good as we hope...but those guys have played a combined 10 games in the NHL. I'm not sure I see Skjei as part of the long term solution either, but its still a big leap of faith at this point that you've got at least 2 top 4 guys among those kids that have barely played

If the kids don't pan out, then LD is a spot that can be addressed much more easily than RD. MUCH more easily.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Bob McKenzie mentioned that the Rangers will be "all over" Trouba in his latest podcast.

I mean they don't need to make a move right now, but they do need to do something on the right side somewhat soon. We're incredibly homogenous on the right side of the D organizationally.

It'll be interesting to see how and when they start to address the areas of concern. I know one of the arguments against Panarin is the time line relative to us competing and since we're not going to be a contender this year we don't necessarily have to address the big D deficiencies this offseason either. But I'm of the belief given the young talent we have in place that we can be a competitive team (playoff team that could even make some noise) as soon as 20-21. And can we address all of these concerns (an elite talent such as Panarin, the multiple weak spots on defense including a first pairing defender, etc) all in one offseason?

I'm not arguing one way or another, more just talking out loud. I'm just curious to see when management starts filling the holes.

 

[GAGLine]

I get that. The OP has been harping on the fact that trouba ONLY becomes a UFA next summer if he signs a one year deal with winnipeg. But isn’t that the obvious. I mean trouba could give the Jets more years but why would he? They aren’t signing him long term, so he’d just be prolonging his big payday and choosing his team.

It's far more likely that Trouba gets traded than it is he signs a 1 year deal in Winnipeg. In that event, the team that trades for him is more likely to sign him to a long term deal rather than for 1 year. So in all, I'd say it's pretty unlikely that he ends up with a 1 year deal. It could certainly happen, but I think the trade and long term deal with his new team is the most likely outcome.

 

[Leetch3]

so more of a generic roster building question...what is everyone's thoughts on the importance of roster construction or traditional roster building? ie you need a #1 center, a #1 d, a RHS on the pp, etc...vs elite talent is elite talent and it doesn't really matter what position. just get me all the elite talent that you can find and then we'll figure out the rest...

 

[Edge]

In a year in which I'm more concerned about development than success, I'd rather see what Hajek, (who I believe will be better than Skjei), Rykov and Lindgren can do, than what safety net Skjei will provide.

I want to see what they can do as well. But I feel like there’s a way to do that that doesn’t include just throwing some of these kids out there on a left side like that.

We didn’t do that when we had McD, Staal or other rookies, and I don’t think that’s the best approach now.

I don’t mind if Hajek has a season under his belt and is already playing on a second pair. But he’s got 5 games. Rykov has zero. Lindgren a handful. That’s a very different scenario.

The irony in all this is that we’re talking about trading a fairly young guy who was thrown in over his head and who we’ve been talking about needing to get back to a more acceptable role. So our response is to trade him and then do the same thing with several players who are even younger and less experienced that he was when we went with that approach.

No me gusto.

 

[Beacon]

Who is saying this besides you, sarcastically? Nobody.

Let me explain:

The argument for Panarin is that no other UFA like him was available before or will be again, which is false, but at least it's an argument that could be made with a straight face. That argument is exposed as a lie because the same people want Trouba and others who are obviously not a once in a lifetime opportunity. When people argue for every big name on the market, it is obvious they just don't want to go through rebuilding and wish to do it the old Rangers way of trying to buy the Cup, which never works.

 

[GAGLine]

so more of a generic roster building question...what is everyone's thoughts on the importance of roster construction or traditional roster building? ie you need a #1 center, a #1 d, a RHS on the pp, etc...vs elite talent is elite talent and it doesn't really matter what position. just get me all the elite talent that you can find and then we'll figure out the rest...

I believe more in filling certain roles. We need playmakers and goalscorers. It doesn't really matter to me if the playmakers are centers and the goalscorers are wingers, or vice versa. We need offensive dmen, 2-way dmen, and in-your-face, minute-munching dmen. And we need a goalie who can keep the team in games, but can also steal a game when necessary.

Obviously, if we can get a forward who is both a great playmaker and a great goalscorer, that's a plus. And a dman who can shut down the other team while putting up points would be nice too. But there aren't that many players in the league who can do it all. It's necessary to find the right players to fit each role and put them in the best position to maximize their talents.

 

[Tawnos]

Let me explain:

The argument for Panarin is that no other UFA like him was available before or will be again, which is false, but at least it's an argument that could be made with a straight face. That argument is exposed as a lie because the same people want Trouba and others who are obviously not a once in a lifetime opportunity. When people argue for every big name on the market, it is obvious they just don't want to go through rebuilding and wish to do it the old Rangers way of trying to buy the Cup, which never works.

No it isn't.