Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[NYR Viper]

In sorry, I’m not trading DeAngelo. Not even for Trouba.

 

[Vitto79]

In sorry, I’m not trading DeAngelo. Not even for Trouba.

Then name a RD target ... need a guy that can PK

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I would just wait till he's a free agent. If he has another healthy, productive season, pay him. No assets, just cash.

You are assuming Trouba signs a 1-year deal them

 

[Leetch3]

its too early to try to add the final piece to the blueline. so many unknowns. how are you supposed to figure out what piece is missing when you haven't put together the parts of the puzzle you have?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I’m not fixing the RD to hurt the LD

Ideally it’s Miller , Skjei , Hajek or Lindgren or Rykov then Trouba , Fox , TDA or Pionk , Lundkvist

Something like that anyway. Jets likely take Andersson w DeAngelo plus a pick which is funny if it happens cause it’s almost the Stepan deal

You’re not hurting the LD.

 

[NYR Viper]

Then name a RD target ... need a guy that can PK

In UFA? Petrovic. Stralman. Via trade I’d see if Buffalo wants to dump Bogo as he has a single year left.

I’d move Pionk and see what’s out there for Shattenkirk. DeAngelo is the one guy I keep on the right side.

 

[egelband]

While it may look like Kreider gets more value for playing the whole year than being a rental, that's almost certainly not the case. In the summer, publicly, everyone is optimistic: no vet will struggle, every guy who had a career year last season will repeat it forever, every rookie will be amazing immediately. Plus, GMs are privately scared that all of those will go wrong and their contender will be struggling to make the playoffs, a la Rangers in 1995. Before shipping away their picks and prospects, GMs will want to see what they've got. A couple might be on board with acquiring a guy like Kreider, but supply-demand just isn't the same as at the TDL. There's a reason the vast majority of the time GMs wait to the TDL to trade their impending UFA - if there was more value for them in August than February, more GMs would pull the trigger.

In any event, the idea that Kreider on a one year contract gets us a top-10 pick (or even the first of any non-playoff team) is nuts. I'll make money bets that won't happen. We'll get a Hayes-like package with maybe another meh prospect like Lindgren thrown in.

True. But on the other hand the acquiring team can flip him at the deadline if things don't work out.

 

[Leetch3]

You’re not hurting the LD.

you only aren't if all the kids are as good as we hope...but those guys have played a combined 10 games in the NHL. I'm not sure I see Skjei as part of the long term solution either, but its still a big leap of faith at this point that you've got at least 2 top 4 guys among those kids that have barely played

 

[I Eat Crow]

The move is to trade for Colin Miller to replace Pionk. Can PK and chip in offense too. He's played in big games with Vegas this year and last. Most importantly, offers experience.

No brainer to go for him over the Troubas and Karlssons of the league.

 

[Leetch3]

The move is to trade for Colin Miller to replace Pionk. Can PK and chip in offense too. He's played in big games with Vegas this year and last. Most importantly, offers experience.

No brainer to go for him over the Troubas and Karlssons of the league.

not a bad option. certainly take him over pionk and the price will be much lower especially considering the cap hell that vegas is in and if we'd be willing to take clarkson's dead contract. but to be fair I don't think he's even close to trouba, the price is way cheaper cause you are getting a lesser player. still a good player but not as good

 

[Leetch3]

also colin miller average 0:35 per game on the PK so he wasn't a key penalty killer for vegas. the only regular that played less on the pk is shea theodore

 

[Ghost of jas]

you only aren't if all the kids are as good as we hope...but those guys have played a combined 10 games in the NHL. I'm not sure I see Skjei as part of the long term solution either, but its still a big leap of faith at this point that you've got at least 2 top 4 guys among those kids that have barely played

In a year in which I'm more concerned about development than success, I'd rather see what Hajek, (who I believe will be better than Skjei), Rykov and Lindgren can do, than what safety net Skjei will provide.

 

[Off Sides]

In UFA? Petrovic. Stralman. Via trade I’d see if Buffalo wants to dump Bogo as he has a single year left.

I’d move Pionk and see what’s out there for Shattenkirk. DeAngelo is the one guy I keep on the right side.

I agree, see if they can find a cheaper, shorter term player, and see what he and the prospects do.

I think much of the same reasoning about Panarin should apply to Trouba too.

If they are going to go for it, fine, go for it. Pick that as their direction, rebuild over, make moves to compete right away.

If not, do nothing or at most go cheap short term, see what happens.

 

[Ola]

You are assuming Trouba signs a 1-year deal them

Trouba will most likely not become a UFA if Winnipeg deals him. I have a hard time seeing a team that Trouba won't negotiate a long-term deal with out-bidding everyone else for his services.

 

[Ola]

Re: Trouba. If there is a deal to be made, I believe Lias Andersson is the most logical player to be the centerpiece. The Jets need help at center. They need lower cost contracts. He fills a lot of their needs.

No one is going to be excited if that is the starting point but I personally think the #20 pick is not going to be on the table. Lias plus a defenseman feels like the core deal structure to me.

Not saying that it wouldn't be a fair ask for Trouba, but I wouldn't deal Lias. I think he has shown too much already for it to be reasonable for Gorton to consider dealing him. We are just not in a position to deal a kid that can become the next Patrice Bergeron for a 9m D.

 

[Ghost of jas]

In sorry, I’m not trading DeAngelo. Not even for Trouba.

I'm certainly not moving him instead of Pionk or Skjei.

 

[RGY]

I'm certainly moving him instaead of Pionk or Skjei.

Youre moving him before Pionk....

Jesus

 

[Ghost of jas]

Youre moving him before Pionk....

Jesus

See my correction.

 

[Ola]

I agree, see if they can find a cheaper, shorter term player, and see what he and the prospects do.

I think much of the same reasoning about Panarin should apply to Trouba too.

If they are going to go for it, fine, go for it. Pick that as their direction, rebuild over, make moves to compete right away.

If not, do nothing or at most go cheap short term, see what happens.

I agree. And I mean, NY is an attractive location. I believe that we have a good coaching staff right now to develop players. I truly believe if we have an opening, we will develop a good player in it that can contribute when we hopefully start to contend in 2-3 years time or whenever that comes. How would we get a hold of someone that can play defensive minutes at RD and PK there? Either internally, or from the waiver wire, or by signing an UDFA, or by trading for someone young using all the ammo Gorts has. And I am not talking about getting someone in a mega deal. All over the NHL/AHL there are solid kids on the outside looking in. The difference between these kids aren't just that big anymore, the marginal are smaller and the head start a top prospect has over the rest is smaller.

The big problem is that we never have any openings on defense, its been packed with just bad vet contracts forever.

 

[mrmovies779]

Proposed this on the main board and people said this was an overpayment
Skjei+20th+Howden for a signed Trouba

I’d do this pretty easily, Jets get a solid middle pair dman behind Morrissey on a decent contract, 20th overall, and a middle 6 C to replace Little. We get a top pairing RHD likely at 8 million

Waaaay too much,especially while we are rebuilding.

 

[Kocur Dill]

its too early to try to add the final piece to the blueline. so many unknowns. how are you supposed to figure out what piece is missing when you haven't put together the parts of the puzzle you have?

Not advocating for Trouba when I say this, but #1 RD is a need for ~80% of the league.
With all due respect. A young, established #1 RD is a foundational piece you grab when one is presented, it's not a "final piece to the puzzle".

That said, I like Trouba at a certain price, or term/no restrictions. His injury history is a red flag especially as his game is meat & potatoes tough guy defender. We don't want to hamper our growth with a Komisarek situation. I he were the plan, then drafting his potential replacement this draft or next has to be a priority.

A 25 y.0., established 1st pair RD is drool worthy. The question is, is Trouba that guy? Do we get another crack at that position again? I'm glad I don't have to make that decision for a living.

 

[Leetch3]

In a year in which I'm more concerned about development than success, I'd rather see what Hajek, (who I believe will be better than Skjei), Rykov and Lindgren can do, than what safety net Skjei will provide.

fair enough and I could careless about success next year, its all about development but I think part of that is making sure we put the kids in positions to succeed and grow, not just to simply play. we'd still have staal, but my only concern here is that if skjei is gone, especially if staal gets hurt, we'd be asking those kids to play top minutes. they aren't 18 year olds so maybe they would handle it fine, but thats my only concern

 

[Off Sides]

Why are they trading for Trouba and then signing him if they are just going to let the other stuff play out? All that would do is waste some of his best years.

Go for it or don't in my opinion.

Sign Panarin, keep Kreider non extended, trade for Trouba, etc is a direction where they would be trying to maximize those players remaining prime years. Buy-out some players if they need cap space to do all that need be.

On the flip side if they do nothing they are trying to wait for the prime years of the prospects to emerge.

The in-between, stuck in the middle thing needs to be avoided. If that means the rebuild is over, that is what it should mean. If that means they are small potatoes patient that is what it should mean.

Either have an early lottery pick next year or try to have the 31st pick(which was traded away at the deadline)

 

[Leetch3]

Not advocating for Trouba when I say this, but #1 RD is a need for ~80% of the league.
With all due respect. A young, established #1 RD is a foundational piece you grab when one is presented, it's not a "final piece to the puzzle".

That said, I like Trouba at a certain price, or term/no restrictions. His injury history is a red flag especially as his game is meat & potatoes tough guy defender. We don't want to hamper our growth with a Komisarek situation. I he were the plan, then drafting his potential replacement this draft or next has to be a priority.

A 25 y.0., established 1st pair RD is drool worthy. The question is, is Trouba that guy? Do we get another crack at that position again? I'm glad I don't have to make that decision for a living.

good point but then the first question is if trouba is a #1 RD. i mean he's a heck of a player and i'm a big fan but he's only hit 50 points once. was last year his breakout year now that he was healthy all year? but for the price to get him he needs to be more than just a tough defender...

that said I'm 1000% in favor of adding trouba, just not in favor of what I expect the price to be.

 

[NernieBichols]

Ugh that whole concept just feels awful to read at this point. Shipping out Howden after a year, sending a pick back after having it for a grand total of 3 months.

Losing the one kid who actually stuck at center, shipping out 2 picks in the top 40 before we get to use them.

Just not digging this train of thought lately.

Howden is not on the table. That kid is a gamer. He’s Going nowhere for a long time