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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

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I don’t know, I just read that article on the Jets shopping trouba. They are so screwed. The 3rd paragraph tells how much cap space they got, and then the names of the RFAs and UFAs. And that’s without trouba even being in the equation.

Chevy needs help flexibility wise more than he does a big return for trouba.

who do they have that would be consider cap ‘dump’ candidates.
 
They have 24.5 in cap space heading into the summer.

RFAs are
Laine
Connor
Copp
Morrow
Beaulieu
(Trouba)

UFAs are
Branden Tanev (who I’ve heard they want to keep but know it’s gonna be hard if not impossible)
Hayes
Myers
Chariot (who I’ve also read they want to resign)

So 24.5 for Laine, Connor, morrow, Copp, don’t know this guy Beaulieu, and they’d like to at least keep chariot.

Tell me how Chevy can negotiate with anyone without the full understanding he can’t afford to have trouba on the team next season and needs help if he wants to resign all the guys he wants to. And that’s just to keep the team together, not even talking upgrading the team.

Skinner’s deal really hurts Chevy with Laine and Connor.
 
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And honestly unless another team steps up with a big play for him as a rental or can talk him into signing an extension and want to do it now for their chances this season. I think gorton can help Chevy out the most in the deal.

He probably would want his 1st back though I bet
 
Calad said:
I don't think Trouba is a cornerstone defenseman. He is very talented and is probably a top pair D at this point in time, but when when I've watched him he doesn't strike me as a player that can carry a defense core
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Those guys get more than 8M though today.

E.Kane got a 7x7 contract, Skinner is looking at 9M, top pair RD in his midd prime should sadly absolutely be in that range as well.
 
mrmovies779 said:
I would hope Shattenkirk would return more to be honest.
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Feels like only yesterday this board was debating signing Kovy.

One quote stands out, about the ultimate win-win being trading certain guys, signing Kovy, having Shattenkirk come back and sneaking into the playoffs. It was followed up with something about the “tank crowd being butthurt” as well.

Here we are a year later, talking about trading these two for one another, the word “cooked” being used and no one would even consider some of the things they talked about not too long ago.

I freely admit that my approach to this roster has been youth, patience and waiting for the dust to settle a little bit. And frankly, a quick search of the roster building thread from just a little more than a year ago only serves to reaffirm that belief.

So when someone asks why I lean the way I do, I would point them to the various roster building threads over the last year. Not saying they will agree with me, but they’ll probably understand a bit better what shaped these views and why I am fairly steadfast in my beliefs.
 
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NernieBichols said:
today some posed Kreider and 20 for #5.
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This is nuts. It's so crazy, this would be locked up on the Trades Board. Why would LA or any non-playoff team dump their top pick for a one-year guy who will then command a UFA salary? Had we stayed at #6 (which is slightly lower than #5), would we have given it up for Mikael Granlund or Alex Galchenyuk? Probably not even for Taylor Hall or Backstrom, who are easily superior players. No rebuilding, non-playoff team will surrender what will become their best (or at least second-best) prospect for one year of Kreider. This is worse than people arguing with me that Fox will be traded for a 3rd rounder, much worse in fact.
 
Edge said:
Feels like only yesterday this board was debating signing Kovy.

One quote stands out, about the ultimate win-win being trading certain guys, signing Kovy, having Shattenkirk come back and sneaking into the playoffs. It was followed up with something about the “tank crowd being ********” as well.

Here we are a year later, talking about trading these two for one another, the word “cooked” being used and no one would even consider some of the things they talked about not too long ago.

I freely admit that my approach to this roster has been youth, patience and waiting for the dust to settle a little bit. And frankly, a quick search of the roster building thread from just a little more than a year ago only serves to reaffirm that belief.

So when someone asks why I lean the way I do, I would point them to the various roster building threads over the last year. Not saying they will agree with me, but they’ll probably understand a bit better what shaped these views and why I am fairly steadfast in my beliefs.
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I'm still tickled by the sheer volume of "SIGN TAVARES!" that existed here. It wasn't everyone, but it was more than it should have been.

Had some people gotten their way, this team probably finishes right outside of the playoffs and instead of having Kakko/Hughes in the bag, we're hoping that Newhook falls to us and/or spending copious amounts of time concocting scenarios of how we can trade into the top 10.

Now we're still doing the trade into the top 10 thing, but thats in addition to the 2OA. I'd say that things worked out for the better by this team staying clear of the UFA market. We'll see how June shakes out, but they're probably better off doing it again this year.
 
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NernieBichols said:
They have 24.5 in cap space heading into the summer.

RFAs are
Laine
Connor
Copp
Morrow
Beaulieu
(Trouba)

UFAs are
Branden Tanev (who I’ve heard they want to keep but know it’s gonna be hard if not impossible)
Hayes
Myers
Chariot (who I’ve also read they want to resign)

So 24.5 for Laine, Connor, morrow, Copp, don’t know this guy Beaulieu, and they’d like to at least keep chariot.

Tell me how Chevy can negotiate with anyone without the full understanding he can’t afford to have trouba on the team next season and needs help if he wants to resign all the guys he wants to. And that’s just to keep the team together, not even talking upgrading the team.

Skinner’s deal really hurts Chevy with Laine and Connor.
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They hope that they can move Perrault and that Russian D. We will see how easy it will be. But you are right, they definitely need flexibility in return for Trouba, can’t take 6m back...

And from that perspective? What are teams willing to move for Trouba in terms of futures? Let’s say a bunch of teams calls up Chevy about Trouba. He decides that he is willing negotiate a long term deal with 4-5of them. Which teams might that be? I am just guessing, but let’s say that it’s Detroit, Tampa, Colorado and us.

What type of offers could Winnipeg get from Detroit, Tampa and Colorado? Detroit aren’t dealing Zadina. Tampa aren’t dealing the assets they wouldn’t deal for Karlsson. Colorado? Do they have any assets? The picks this year? But doesn’t Sakic want to address the issue he has with secondary scoring first and foremost? Would any of those teams be willing to give up any top assets like the 4th overall or Zadina for a D who they have to pay 8-9m per on. Along term deal? It’s not Doughty we are talking about here. Trouba isn’t even a No 1 D on his team when Buff is healthy. He can be pretty grey when you watch Winnipeg.

I am just guessing, nobody knows. But my guess is that Trouba would return less than what many thinks. My big concern is his paycheck. Rather hope for that TDA/Fox can deliver offense and that we can find some biggger stay at home D that can PK and is cheap...
 
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Beacon said:
This is nuts. It's so crazy, this would be locked up on the Trades Board. Why would LA or any non-playoff team dump their top pick for a one-year guy who will then command a UFA salary? Had we stayed at #6 (which is slightly lower than #5), would we have given it up for Mikael Granlund or Alex Galchenyuk? Probably not even for Taylor Hall or Backstrom, who are easily superior players. No rebuilding, non-playoff team will surrender what will become their best (or at least second-best) prospect for one year of Kreider. This is worse than people arguing with me that Fox will be traded for a 3rd rounder, much worse in fact.
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It’s LA who’s number #5? Haha yeah I won’t lie, when they used 5 as the example my initiate thought was who even has #5. LA got no need for Kreider

I guess he was just throwing it out value wise, would you do Kreider and 20 for 5OA. I agree there’s not fit there and that it’s just an unrealistic scenario, in that as a rental, him and 20 don’t get you there (to 5) and the teams and slots don’t match up either as a rental candidate or extension.

I think the Mika scenario is realistic. He makes sense for both Chicago and Colorado, it’s like shaving off the development years and still getting a good cap hit, for teams that should be going for it right now. I genuinely think it’s a great move for Sakic especially. Ratanen was a major surprise, and the team struggling mid season fooled Sakic, they were good enough to come out of the west. Makar looks like a star off the bat. They 15OA as their own pick. And if you added Mika and subtracted the Ottawa pick from the duchene return. That’s a homerun return. Sakic would be adding in this scenario

that would be adding 2 years to the rebuild as well (probably)
But for those inclined it does put them in line for a top 5 pick next year
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I'm still tickled by the sheer volume of "SIGN TAVARES!" that existed here. It wasn't everyone, but it was more than it should have been.

Had some people gotten their way, this team probably finishes right outside of the playoffs and instead of having Kakko/Hughes in the bag, we're hoping that Newhook falls to us and/or spending copious amounts of time concocting scenarios of how we can trade into the top 10.

Now we're still doing the trade into the top 10 thing, but thats in addition to the 2OA. I'd say that things worked out for the better by this team staying clear of the UFA market. We'll see how June shakes out, but they're probably better off doing it again this year.
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I get that no two situations are exactly alike. Each has its own circumstances and nuances. But I also believe it’s easier to find reasons to justify or convince yourself that bringing in a top talent, right now, is the way to go.

It’s much more difficult to have to wait to see how prospects do, to believe in the unknown, or envision a yet to materialize opportunity that could have just as big of an impact in the future.

People like the tangible. And we’re at a point in time where the tangible can be few and far between.
 
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Beacon said:
There's something to be said for a guy making 8% of the money and being here about a decade longer. If you get a 3/4OA pick who plays on your second line on an ELC or even a bridge, you can still afford to sign a UFA. You get Panarin and Trouba, and you're in constant cap hell, praying to God every Spring that the cap gives you some relief, and hanging yourself in a year when that doesn't happen.
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The Rangers are a long way from cap hell. As of right now they have four players under contract for 2021-22 totaling just over $13MM. The only way the Rangers are going to end up in cap hell much before 2025-26 is if they have multiple players earning huge contracts coming out of entry level. That would be a nice problem to have.

Frankly I couldn't give two shits about cap hell in 2025-26 or getting a third round draft choice for a broken down defenseman.

Use some facts to back up your bluster.
 
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bobbop said:
The Rangers are a long way from cap hell. As of right now they have four players under contract for 2021-22 totaling just over $13MM. The only way the Rangers are going to end up in cap hell much before 2025-26 is if they have multiple players earning huge contracts coming out of entry level. That would be a nice problem to have.

Frankly I give couldn't give two ****s about cap hell in 2025-26 or getting a third round draft choice for a broken down defenseman.

Use some facts to back up your bluster.
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How about 19-20 and 20-21?
 
DanielBrassard said:


Surprised this wasn't posted lol.
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My gut feeling is that Trouba is going to be a Ranger. Gorton has targeted him for a while, and I think he becomes the anchor on D, or at least the that’s how the Rangers view him. Some may not like the price, (much like the Fox trade), but it will be a fair one. The merits can be debated, but, it’s the type of deal I see as representing the ‘speed up the rebuild ‘ talk, more so than signing Panarin.
 
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jas said:
My gut feeling is that Trouba is going to be a Ranger. Gorton has targeted him for a while, and I think he becomes the anchor on D, or at least the that’s how the Rangers view him. Some may not like the price, (much like the Fox trade), but it will be a fair one. The merits can be debated, but, it’s the type of deal I see as representing the ‘speed up the rebuild ‘ talk, more so than signing Panarin.
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I just really hope this board knows what it’s getting, and what it’s not.
 
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Edge said:
People also love a good steak or crab until they see the market price as well.

That’s the hard part. There’s no shortage of players we want. The question is the cost.
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No doubt.

I'm not about going crazy here, but if we can get him on our terms we should be on it. We have a ton of pieces that can be deemed expendable.
 
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