Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[Jaromir Jagr]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Day is a garbage prospect?

I mean, he's obviously no stud. But he still has some potential to become an NHL player and from what other posters who follow HFD have said on here, he showed improvement after his rocky start last year.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Day is a garbage prospect?

I mean, he's obviously no stud. But he still has some potential to become an NHL player and from what other posters who follow HFD have said on here, he showed improvement after his rocky start last year.

This is certainly the biggest year of his career. If he can show that he can be consistently effective in the AHL all season then I think he can possibly carve out a career as a bottom pairing guy. A new coaching staff should hopefully go a long way in helping and determining that.

 

[NYRKing]

Any idea where Kravtsov will line-up? Does anybody think he can immediately slot into the top 6?

 

[Tawnos]

Any idea where Kravtsov will line-up? Does anybody think he can immediately slot into the top 6?

We will see. I see him spending time on all 4 lines on the big club over the course of the year and I wouldn't even be surprised to see him spend a little time in Hartford. This is the central area where the team will exercise patience.

 

[RGY]

Would it be more beneficial for Day to become a forward?

 

[TheTakedown]

With the exception of this year, he's averaged 25P his career. That's not 1D material. If he can replicate his offensive production from this year, that's a different story.

Chris Tanev has never put up that production but he is largely considered to be a #1D
Vlasic has also never put up that kind of production but he IS considered a #1D

Chris Tanev Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Marc-Edouard Vlasic Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Leetch3]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Day is a garbage prospect?

I mean, he's obviously no stud. But he still has some potential to become an NHL player and from what other posters who follow HFD have said on here, he showed improvement after his rocky start last year.

not gonna write him off but he's so far down the depth charts at this point he's almost a non-factor (and thats more about the guys ahead of him then a knock on him). but that might actually be the best thing for him. let him develop in hartford with no pressure and see what happens

 

[JimmyG89]

Our 2016 class has a huge season ahead of them. Without a 1st or 2nd, all the players still have a shot, some small, to be NHL players.

Wall having a dominant senior season could murk the waters of our goaltending situation. Fontaine has the least likely shot of making anything of himself, but a new AHL staff and new eyes down there helps all our AHL players. Ronning and Gettinger are wingers on a team that is possibly losing 3-4 guys currently on the squad. Yes, we're adding Kakko and Kravtsov, but over the next few months, the glutony of pending UFA wingers could be moved out.

Training camp is going to be interesting this year. Lots of young wingers looking to take jobs and a slew of UFA to be players looking to possibly cash in on 7/1/20.

Preseason games will be fun to watch and see a lot of these players.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Chris Tanev has never put up that production but he is largely considered to be a #1D
Vlasic has also never put up that kind of production but he IS considered a #1D

Chris Tanev Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Marc-Edouard Vlasic Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

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Tanev is not a top-30 dmen imo, but I get what you're saying. It's not all about points. But the ability to move the puck is more imperative than ever with the direction the NHL is heading.

 

[GAGLine]

People focus way too much on point totals for dmen.

 

[Tawnos]

Tanev is not a top-30 dmen imo, but I get what you're saying. It's not all about points. But the ability to move the puck is more imperative than ever with the direction the NHL is heading.

Ability to move the puck as a defensive D doesn't always translate to points, though. See: Anton Stralman in 2013-14.

 

[Vitto79]

If Hall is for real going ufa next year wait for those sweepstakes

 

[JimmyG89]

So many players appear to be on the block or could be available in trade this offseason. We're looking at a time where there could be ton of hockey trades before the draft.

I don't see Hall being a trade option until after the bulk of free agency begins. Devils have space to add players and with the amount of names out there for trade, you wonder if they'll snag some of these players on longer term deals that teams want to move out, especially on their defense.

 

[TheTakedown]

I generally find that if the proposal starts with guys that don’t give you some heartburn, it’s probably not getting it done.

We have very good depth. We don’t have Tampa Bay circa 2017 or 2018 depth.

If Trouba is indeed a cornerstone defenseman, a legit 50 point player, and a guy that a team can include in its inner core for the next 7 years, we’re probably not getting him for the names this board hopes it can get him for.

Other teams who can win NOW with Trouba are going to be all-in these negotiations. The Jets aren’t taking Skjei and a sweetener.

Start thinking Buch, start thinking ADA and start thinking that 20th overall pick.

I would send Buch to them no issue, then sign Panarin...

Panarin - $10M
Trouba - $8M
$18M Total
Buchnevich is going to need a $6M contract. I'll pay the extra $4M for Panarin as an upgrade, and then allow us to solidify the D once and for all. The Rangers don't have a piece in-house to provide what Trouba would bring

 

[TheTakedown]

One of my issues with our defense on the right side is that Fox, ADA, Shattenkirk and Pionk are all similar players.... in that they're smallish (maybe not Shattenkirk so much) puck movers with defensive issues. Of course we haven't seen Fox yet but being a first year pro it's reasonable to expect that his D will probably be a bit suspect. I would like someone with size and more physical and Trouba would fit that way. I'd rather keep ADA over Pionk or Shattenkirk but I can't see Winnipeg taking on Shatty's contract and ADA would seem to be the guy they'd want. We'd have a lot more functional right side by adding Trouba IMO.

I think Trouba has the potential to be McDonagh good but whether that happens would be a risk we'd be taking. Then again there's risk with both Buchnevich and ADA as so far both have been teases too--both need to take another step or two but that's not guaranteed to happen either.

So there's risk involved for both sides.

If Chevy legitimately thinks he can get the "younger, cheaper version of Trouba" by Trading Trouba without adding any significant pieces, then he won't be trading Trouba.

Think about it? Of course I would trade Kreider for the younger version of kreider? Sure! Would any team realistically do so? Absolutely not.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

This is certainly the biggest year of his career. If he can show that he can be consistently effective in the AHL all season then I think he can possibly carve out a career as a bottom pairing guy. A new coaching staff should hopefully go a long way in helping and determining that.

Kind of how I feel about him but he doesn't excite me nearly as much as some people on Draft Day. There's just been residual hype from his exceptional status and I get it but also don't.

I understand why he's attractive but it's like people almost want him to be so they can hear his story during a NHL broadcast.

 

[RGY]

I would send Buch to them no issue, then sign Panarin...

Panarin - $10M
Trouba - $8M
$18M Total
Buchnevich is going to need a $6M contract. I'll pay the extra $4M for Panarin as an upgrade, and then allow us to solidify the D once and for all. The Rangers don't have a piece in-house to provide what Trouba would bring

I would be ok with moving Buchnevich for Trouba. Buch has been a .553 PPG player thus far. Or something like that. Last year he really seemed to improve his game. However, the tricky part is to determine if that progression will continue where he becomes a .65-.75 PPG player for the rest of his career. At .5, I move him to help solidify the defense moving forward.

Can we center a deal around Buchnevich, Vesey/Nams, Smith with money retained, 2nd round pick?

It gives them a young forward, a depth forward, and a defenseman to replace Trouba while they compete next year.

Winnipeg has a lot of players to make decisions on. Tanev, Lindholm, Chiarot, and Myers are all UFAs. They have a ton of RFAs. Laine, Connor, Beaulieu, and Morrow in addition to Trouba.

It might make sense to them to take Smith at $2.75-$3 million cap hit for the bottom pair at only two more seasons, Nams as a depth forward for next season rather than paying Tanev AND Lindholm, and then Buchnevich.

 

[GAGLine]

If Hall is for real going ufa next year wait for those sweepstakes

Players like this never become available.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Sounds like hawks are shopping Anisimov to free up cap. Anyone interested in bringing back Anisimov if the hawks throw in a sweetener? I think we need a 2nd line center stop gap for a year or two until Chytl is ready.

 

[GAGLine]

Sounds like hawks are shopping Anisimov to free up cap. Anyone interested in bringing back Anisimov if the hawks throw in a sweetener? I think we need a 2nd line center stop gap for a year or two until Chytl is ready.

I've suggested Spezza for a year, but I'd be okay with Artie for 2 if they are adding a sweetener.

 

[ElLeetch]

This is certainly the biggest year of his career. If he can show that he can be consistently effective in the AHL all season then I think he can possibly carve out a career as a bottom pairing guy. A new coaching staff should hopefully go a long way in helping and determining that.

Day has been a name for so long, you tend to think of him as an older prospect with "one last shot", but he will still be 21 for the rest of this calendar year.

I'm not ready to "call it" for another two years at least, unless his progress going forward the next season or two is at zero.

 

[Vitto79]

Sounds like hawks are shopping Anisimov to free up cap. Anyone interested in bringing back Anisimov if the hawks throw in a sweetener? I think we need a 2nd line center stop gap for a year or two until Chytl is ready.

I kinda think they need to play Chytil , Howden , Andersson at C to see what they have ... Strome can fill in at C if they falter

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Sounds like hawks are shopping Anisimov to free up cap. Anyone interested in bringing back Anisimov if the hawks throw in a sweetener? I think we need a 2nd line center stop gap for a year or two until Chytl is ready.

Hawks have a ton of cap room

They are looking to move AA because they want to get a bit younger at C and find a guy who compliments Saad

Caggiula-Toews-Kane
Debrincat-Strome-Kahun/Perlini

Saad on 3rd line essentially gets stuck with AA (Who he has no chemistry with) and a rotating collection of wingers with occasionally Patrick Kane making appearance with him

Hawks reportedly are looking at making run at Kevin Hayes (Ugh)

Don't see our teams as good trade partners unless your looking to move Strome

I would love to add Ryan Strome via trade and try him with Saad

Maybe a Anisimov + Hawks 2nd (#43) to Rangers for Strome and TB 2nd (#58) would be of interest to both teams

 

[Thirty One]

Hawks reportedly are looking at making run at Kevin Hayes (Ugh)

Hayes has a very poor track record of signing with the Blackhawks.

 

[RGY]

Hawks have a ton of cap room

They are looking to move AA because they want to get a bit younger at C and find a guy who compliments Saad

Caggiula-Toews-Kane
Debrincat-Strome-Kahun/Perlini

Saad on 3rd line essentially gets stuck with AA (Who he has no chemistry with) and a rotating collection of wingers with occasionally Patrick Kane making appearance with him

Hawks reportedly are looking at making run at Kevin Hayes (Ugh)

Don't see our teams as good trade partners unless your looking to move Strome

I would love to add Ryan Strome via trade and try him with Saad

Maybe a Anisimov + Hawks 2nd (#43) to Rangers for Strome and TB 2nd (#58) would be of interest to both teams

I get where your going with the Proposal, but Ryan Strome had a pretty darn good year for us last season. He is still relatively young. I would prefer to see if he can build on that and be a valuable 3rd line forward who can move up and down the lineup when we are really making our push.