Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Henrik has no authority. He is a player.

That, and Gorton has already shown that he doesn't base his decisions on what Lundqvist wants. Him asking Lundqvist to waive his NMC last year proves that to me

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I think there is a distinct risk that Lundqvist will meet up with Dolan directly and convince him to go all in this summer, trading Kakko for Malkin and signing Karlsson and Panarin. I just think that we should all be prepared for that this is quite probable.

Do you think that would be a good option or not?

 

[wafflepadsave]

A couple of weeks ago I posted that Brodie was on the block.

Bob McKenzie is reporting that it’s out there now.

He should follow you on Twitter.

 

[haohmaru]

Henrik has no authority. He is a player.

Like Messier had no authority and Nedved was sent packing.

Which, btw, isn't saying that Lundqvist has anything to say. Merely that players sometimes do even if they are just a "player".

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

That, and Gorton has already shown that he doesn't base his decisions on what Lundqvist wants. Him asking Lundqvist to waive his NMC last year proves that to me

He didn’t ask him to waive his NMC. He asked Henrik what he wanted to do, if he wanted to move on due to the new direction of the team.

That’s different than asking him to waive his NMC - the implication there being they wanted to move him and that’s not what happened.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He didn’t ask him to waive his NMC. He asked Henrik what he wanted to do, if he wanted to move on due to the new direction of the team.

That’s different than asking him to waive his NMC - the implication there being they wanted to move him and that’s not what happened.

True. They had a conversation about his future. Either way, that shows me that Gorton is not building this team with Lundqvist's wishes in mind

 

[NewLife]

Ola's post was just pure sarcasm. Don't bite so hard.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think there is a distinct risk that Lundqvist will meet up with Dolan directly and convince him to go all in this summer, trading Kakko for Malkin and signing Karlsson and Panarin. I just think that we should all be prepared for that this is quite probable.

Do you think that would be a good option or not?

I completely egregious. I think the key to team building is catering to the wishes of your franchise player. Pittsburgh did it with Crosby, Buffalo did it with Eichel! Lots of instances of that going well.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

True. They had a conversation about his future. Either way, that shows me that Gorton is not building this team with Lundqvist's wishes in mind

Yeah I mean that’s obvious from the time they sent the letter out and took this direction. Still they didn’t try and trade him. Gorton asked what Hank wanted to do and Hank decided he wants to be a Ranger and was in for the rebuild. That’s Gorton respecting Hank, not trying to ask him to waive his NMC so he can move him. I feel like it’s a minor but important distinction to make.

 

[Ola]

I’m actually more concerned that he’s going to make Dolan fire JD and Gorts, and install brother Joel as President/GM.

Then sign every Swede UFA possible. It’s very likely. Kakko would be dealt as well. He doesn’t appreciate Kakko beating him.

I agree for sure. Remember that Freddy Shoestring is the GM of Frolunda. Hank as player/coach. Freddy as President and Joel as GM.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Kreider + Pionk for 11?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kreider + Pionk for 11?

Done.

Pionk is basically AV's dream defenseman. Can we send Staal there too?

 

[Calad]

The only reason I wouldn't try getting Breadman is that 2020 1st round pick.

Without him it's a top 5-10, with him a 10-20 pick ...

1 player does not make a team. Signing Panarin does not change the fact that our defense core is putrid, our 1G is a year older, and we have 4-5 expiring vets that will get moved out, on top losing Hayes and Zucc last season. This doesn't even take injuries into account, which we were among the healthiest teams last season.

And when all of the aforementioned picks/prospects/etc. break out and demand big pay days, we haven't won dick and we have a monster albatross contract for yet another past his prime superstar. Therefore handicapping us.

So in this magical fantasy land, we sign Panarin and this causes all of our prospects to reach their full potential within the end of their ELC. This will push Gorton to go full Dubas and hand out big long extensions to all of them. This seems like a great problem to have, for what it's worth, but let's consider some details here:

1. We currently have 19 million in cap space. We have ~20 million coming off the cap after this season, then the following season we have another ~25 million coming off the books with Hank and the bad D contracts. Cap increases over the next 2-3 seasons should be around 2 million average, with close to 5 million in the expansion year. If ALL our big rookies start their contract this season, by the time their ELC are up we will free up somewhere around 55 million in cap space (not including the space from this current Offseason). Over the next couple years will will further infuse more young ELCs. Let's say kakko is the all star we all dream he will be, thats one big contract. Maybe even Kravtsov explodes on the scene as well. That's still leaving ~35 million in space to fill out the roster. Gorton has handled all RFA contracts in the past before he got promoted, and he definitely used bridge type contracts to success. I'd guess he would be able to employ that strategy for any players who don't blow us out of the water (Chytil, Andersson, Howden, TDA just to name a few). A couple bridges and Panarin's contract will be up by the time they are up for raises again. All this considered I don't forsee the cap being an issue in the future with a big signing this summer.

2. The implication that Panarin(or Karlsson) are so good that they help push all these young players to their fullest potential. Would the kids be able to realize this potential without the presence of these stars?

3. The assumption that these players will sign full term and ridiculous money, but still be a complete albatross towards the end of the contract and be entirely unmoveable. Panarin is the type of player I feel will be productive well into this 30s. Karlsson has the talent to as well, but there are real concerns about the wear and tear on him. Fwiw I don't think they should pursue Karlsson for these reasons, but if Gorton does it would likely be on his terms.

 

[Ola]

Flyers looking to trade the 11th pick. Might be a possible trade partner if Kreider is willing to extend.

Yeah, but Philly is supposedly flooded with LWs. I was also thinking about that, Kreids replacing Simmons’s in a way.

I was also thinking about a three-way with Toronto. Supposedly Philly have some interest in Kadri. Toronto need a cheap RD or two. Could we get Kadri from Toronto and deal him to Philly for 11? What would the cost be? Let’s say we resign Pionk for 2.25m per for 2 years. Pionk and Smith both at 50% carry a caphit of 3.3m per. That is cheap. Pionk is a young D who already have been trusted a No 1 role in the NHL. He has produced in it. He had a couple of really good games against Toronto. They might not see much value in him, or they do. I can guarantee that Pionk in general isn’t seen as having as little value around the league as we do at this place. Look at Girardi, he got a 3m deal right after we bought him out, he was the worst ever. Pionk was basically a rookie last season. Would Babcock trust Smith?

Pionk, Smith (if they want him) both at 50%, and Tampa’s 2nd for Kadri and Horton’s contract.

Kadri to Philly for 11th overall.

 

[egelband]

No chance of Lundqvist going directly to Dolan.

JD is in charge of the organization and Lundqvist would never undermine the leadership of the organization in this way.

Let’s pretend however that Lundqvist actually does even meet with Dolan, and that he buys into what Hank is saying, despite the fact that he’s been convinced the Rangers actually need to do a full rebuild. Dolan would then need to go to JD and Gorton to try to convince them to change paths, which they wouldn’t do simply because one player disagrees with the stare of the rebuild.

The end result of this would be the entire leadership feeling that Hank is undermining them which wouldn’t end well for Lundqvist.

If Henrik really wants to "go all in" he can request a trade to San Jose or some other team that's close and needs a goalie. If he really wants to play with Karlsson - which is weird because Karlsson would kill Henrik's gaa - he can request a trade to whichever team Karlsson signs with.
That said, I believe Henrik over all wants to stay with the Rangers. And I suspect that's what happens.

 

[Avery16]

Let’s bring in Karlsson, if fit, he has it all. He can bring us the cup

Russian bots have given up on disrupting our election and instead are working to disrupt NYR rebuild

 

[Ola]

So who would do Zibanejad, Howden, Pionk and 20 for Laine and Trouba?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

So who would do Zibanejad, Howden, Pionk and 20 for Laine and Trouba?

We could ice an all wings team

Kreider-Kakko-Buchnevich
Kravstov-Laine-Chytil
Andersson-Namestnikov-Strome
Chara-Gettinger-Fast

 

[Mikos87]

What side does he play?

Plays the right side, called the Jazzman for his improvisational play. Was a great defender at one point, but no longer a guy you can rely upon. He's a LHD.

What he would be is an upgrade on Smith. Which is a small incremental leap for a position that can be filled with better options if the Rangers are going to spend an asset.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So who would do Zibanejad, Howden, Pionk and 20 for Laine and Trouba?

Whose stash did you break into?

 

[Irishguy42]

So who would do Zibanejad, Howden, Pionk and 20 for Laine and Trouba?

So pretty much Zibanejad for Trouba because the other pieces are worthless.

 

[AB13]

So who would do Zibanejad, Howden, Pionk and 20 for Laine and Trouba?

I don’t want Laine, Zibanejad is much better than him at everything possibly imaginable. Trouba is decent but I wouldn’t give up those promising youngsters for him

 

[Beacon]

Brodie is 28 and in the last year of his contract. What are we doing with him exactly?

This is our once in a lifetime chance to grab a player like Brodie. No other player like him will be available again. Whatever wing he plays, that's exactly our need. No rookie will develop without him.

We need just 1 guy. Just Brodie, that's it, we are not trying to buy every vet out there for immediate gratification and to hell with the future.

 

[SA16]

This is our once in a lifetime chance to grab a player like Brodie. No other player like him will be available again. Whatever wing he plays, that's exactly our need. No rookie will develop without him.

We need just 1 guy. Just Brodie, that's it, we are not trying to buy every vet out there for immediate gratification and to hell with the future.

You're not funny.

 

[Irishguy42]

This is our once in a lifetime chance to grab a player like Brodie. No other player like him will be available again. Whatever wing he plays, that's exactly our need. No rookie will develop without him.

We need just 1 guy. Just Brodie, that's it, we are not trying to buy every vet out there for immediate gratification and to hell with the future.

You're trying to troll, but you're not very good at it.