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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

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True Blue said:
Hoping I am missing the humor, but I was showing sarcasm as I completely agreed with your point.
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Ohhh my bad...ya never know what ppl are getting at through text

Yea letting him go wed be kicking ourselves forever...2C will work it's way out
Just like RHD did even without Trouba
 
KreiderBomb said:
Im a little concerned about Zibs contract, looking internally Panarin makes 12, on the bottom side, he'd have to make more than Trouba. So where is his deal? 9 seems to be the minimum to me, with potential to get to 10? These are the deals that can derail a franchise.
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His next contract will have double digits, and rightfully so. He is going to get paid like the elite top-line center that he is.

If you are not paying him that money, you will have to pay it to someone. Unless you want to bring in an inferior player and then spend time complaining about how the Rangers do not have a legit top line center.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
How much does he like retiring or not dressing....cus those are the other two options. Hank is extremely competitive, im really doubtful he is done playing hockey, his only route to another contract is to be the starter on another team.
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Hank wants his cake and eat it too. Hank wants to win the Cup with the Rangers and he sees how much talent is here. I’m guessing he’s thinking if he can just hang on he might win the Cup.

Remain with the Rangers, win a cup, get paid, continue to be a celebrity a.k.a he wants his cake and eat it too.

How about Hank offering to take a pay cut? Something has to give b/c he’s not nearly the player he once was, is old, is expensive and the Rangers have his replacement. He can still be a celebrity goalie in Ny.

I don’t believe a pay cut is asking too much considering he’s been awarded multiple endorsement deals in addition to the $100 million the Rangers have paid him.

(edit - learned Hank cannot take a paycut as NHL contracts offer no flexibility like the NFL). Yet another fiscal mishap the NHL has to work on IMO. So concerned about circumventing the cap they forgot about league prosperity.
 
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Considering the goalie market this year, I don't see anyone beating down our door for any of our available goalies. The market will be flooded, both UFA and trade options. Salaries will be suppressed on established #1s.

We are talking about NHL GMs. No one is going to risk giving Georgiev the top spot when there are proven options. They certainly won't pay a premium either. They think safe, act conservative and make choices that provide them job security. Georgiev's status in a trade will be as a back up with upside.

I just don't see a big return this year. The UFA list is Holtby, Lenher, Crawford, Markstrom, Greiss, Talbot, Smith, Khudobin, Howard, Elliot, Anderson and Kinkaid. Murray is a trade option. Quick could be had.
 
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GAGLine said:
Stastny was mentioned as part of an ADA deal, but wasn't the main piece. We would be getting back Glass or Krebs in that scenario. If we were to move Strome in a separate deal, I'd be in favor of it.
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Could Strome and Glass (Krebs) get us a quality partner for Trouba to play 1LD better than ADA?
 
Lots of people said Talbot was gonna be great when he left. Same thing with Raanta. They are/were good goalies, but im not sold that some of georgiev's success isnt due solely to allaire.

Ideally you move him and henke accepts a mentorship backup role for a year. Then takes league minimum to stay as a backup. I doubt that will happen, but regardless Georgiev to me would be 2nd or third on that FA goalie list, and probably much cheaper. I hope they are able to pull the trigger on a deal at the draft.
 
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Vitto79 said:
I may be looking at this the wrong may but if Hank goes to Europe is he not in part to do the team a solid and keep both young G? Can’t really trade one if he agrees to go play in Europe w his bro
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The general sentiment is that Hank chooses to retire to play out his career in Europe / Sweden with his brother - and that would be doing a solid for the Rangers.
 
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kovazub94 said:
Carp didn’t frame the goalie point correctly. Here’s the chain of decisions as I see it:

1. The Rangers will not go into next season with three goalies

2. From the performance perspective and ALSO from the cap perspective they determined that Hank is the odd man out

3. Georgiev will be Shesterkin backup as he has controlled RFA years and who still has room to improve (to those thinking his value will never be higher)

4. Georgiev current trade value is not worth moving him so, unless another team comes up with exuberant offer, the Rangers are not moving him
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Carp (and everyone else) is missing one important point here. Georgiev has three RFA years left. He may balk at signing a two year contract right now. That could get expensive. There’s also the Rangers POV...if they hope to monetize him at some point, it will have to be in two years. I’m not sure those offers are going to get better and I have no idea how he will react to being locked in as a number two, but there are issues here to discuss. Buying out The King is not a no brainer.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
Hank wants his cake and eat it too. Hank wants to win the Cup with the Rangers and he sees how much talent is here. I’m guessing he’s thinking if he can just hang on he might win the Cup.

Remain with the Rangers, win a cup, get paid, continue to be a celebrity a.k.a he wants his cake and eat it too.

How about Hank offering to take a pay cut? Something has to give b/c he’s not nearly the player he once was, is old, is expensive and the Rangers have his replacement. He can still be a celebrity goalie in Ny.

I don’t believe a pay cut is asking too much considering he’s been awarded multiple endorsement deals in addition to the $100 million the Rangers have paid him.
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Players can't take pay cuts. Contracts can't be renegotiated in the NHL.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Im a little concerned about Zibs contract, looking internally Panarin makes 12, on the bottom side, he'd have to make more than Trouba. So where is his deal? 9 seems to be the minimum to me, with potential to get to 10? These are the deals that can derail a franchise.
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He's not getting less than 10M imo. He is one of, if not the most important piece, on this team and they will do whatever it takes to get him extended.
 
Captain Monglobster said:
Lots of people said Talbot was gonna be great when he left. Same thing with Raanta. They are/were good goalies, but im not sold that some of georgiev's success isnt due solely to allaire.

Ideally you move him and henke accepts a mentorship backup role for a year. Then takes league minimum to stay as a backup. I doubt that will happen, but regardless Georgiev to me would be 2nd or third on that FA goalie list, and probably much cheaper. I hope they are able to pull the trigger on a deal at the draft.
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Hank can't be on the opening night roster unfortunately. If he is we almost certainly have to let guys like ADA go.
 
NYSPORTS said:
Hank wants his cake and eat it too. Hank wants to win the Cup with the Rangers and he sees how much talent is here. I’m guessing he’s thinking if he can just hang on he might win the Cup.

Remain with the Rangers, win a cup, get paid, continue to be a celebrity a.k.a he wants his cake and eat it too.

How about Hank offering to take a pay cut? Something has to give b/c he’s not nearly the player he once was, is old, is expensive and the Rangers have his replacement. He can still be a celebrity goalie in Ny.

I don’t believe a pay cut is asking too much considering he’s been awarded multiple endorsement deals in addition to the $100 million the Rangers have paid him.
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I don’t know if Hank’s as enamored by fame as you allude to. Sure he’s flashy but the man just wants to win a stanley cup. Even Kreider said it, there is no harder worker and bigger competitor than Henrik Lundqvist, so I wouldn’t misconstrue his character.

But I just don’t know if he “wants his cake”, like you’re saying. The only thing he seeks is a cup.
 
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Anyone think Ottawa would take assets to buy out hanks contract? Say lias plus Georgie plus hank for the contracted goalie they like the least, a mid round pick and the rights to Ron hainsey or something? Then sign hank one year to backup at 1.5.

Toronto paid a 1st to dump something similar, I think Georgie and lias is comparable value. Ottawa gets a 5.5. Cap this year only spending 1.5
 
broadwayblue said:
Hank can't be on the opening night roster unfortunately. If he is we almost certainly have to let guys like ADA go.
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Disagree. If you move out Smith then we immediately have the money to sign TDA. We’d have around 17.75 after moving Smith. Give Strome a 1x5 contract, TDA a 5x5.75 or a 6x5.5 contract and then you still have 7M~ish to sign Fast and Lemieux.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
I don’t know if Hank’s as enamored by fame as you allude to. Sure he’s flashy but the man just wants to win a stanley cup. Even Kreider said it, there is no harder worker and bigger competitor than Henrik Lundqvist, so I wouldn’t misconstrue his character.

But I just don’t know if he “wants his cake”, like you’re saying. The only thing he seeks is a cup.
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they all want the Cup.
 
I don't have any view into the psyche of Henrik Lundqvist, but if you told me at this point ending his career with the Rangers was more important than chasing a cup on another team, I would believe it
 
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Richter35 said:
Anyone think Ottawa would take assets to buy out hanks contract? Say lias plus Georgie plus hank for the contracted goalie they like the least, a mid round pick and the rights to Ron hainsey or something? Then sign hank one year to backup at 1.5.

Toronto paid a 1st to dump something similar, I think Georgie and lias is comparable value. Ottawa gets a 5.5. Cap this year only spending 1.5
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No to all of this.
 
Richter35 said:
Anyone think Ottawa would take assets to buy out hanks contract? Say lias plus Georgie plus hank for the contracted goalie they like the least, a mid round pick and the rights to Ron hainsey or something? Then sign hank one year to backup at 1.5.

Toronto paid a 1st to dump something similar, I think Georgie and lias is comparable value. Ottawa gets a 5.5. Cap this year only spending 1.5
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