Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

[Lindberg Cheese]

Simple, Offer sheet Cirelli and trade Strome and ADA for LD help and/or bigger package with Buch, Georgie, Lias, pick for a W upgrade and to dump Smith. Buy out Staal while we’re at it. Sign a decent RD temp backfill like Kevan Miller and add vet LD depth for 3rd paring as well as a Vet 4C

can you dig it suckas?

Pan Cirelli Kakko
Laf Zibs Anderson?
Krieder Chytil Krat
Lemmy Howton Gauthier
Vet 4C / DiG

Lindholm/Klef? Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Vet/Hajek/Miller K Miller

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I have a WONDERFUL idea for 2C for next season. This guy would have great chemistry with Panarin, probably fit in seamlessly with the team and is probably good for 50 points - his name is Ryan Strome on a short 1 or 2 year deal.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

I have a WONDERFUL idea for 2C for next season. This guy would have great chemistry with Panarin, probably fit in seamlessly with the team and is probably good for 50 points - his name is Ryan Strome on a short 1 or 2 year deal.

Tell me more.

 

[bbny]

Tell me more.

Sure. He also commits careless stick infractions and can't backcheck a lick

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I have a WONDERFUL idea for 2C for next season. This guy would have great chemistry with Panarin, probably fit in seamlessly with the team and is probably good for 50 points - his name is Ryan Strome on a short 1 or 2 year deal.

How about that guy with a little better defense and a little less dumb penalty minutes? I'm fine bringing back Strome on a bridge deal if the right guy isn't there, but they have to at least explore an upgrade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Simple, Offer sheet Cirelli and trade Strome and ADA for LD help and/or bigger package with Buch, Georgie, Lias, pick for a W upgrade and to dump Smith. Buy out Staal while we’re at it. Sign a decent RD temp backfill like Kevan Miller and add vet LD depth for 3rd paring as well as a Vet 4C

can you dig it suckas?

Pan Cirelli Kakko
Laf Zibs Anderson?
Krieder Chytil Krat
Lemmy Howton Gauthier
Vet 4C / DiG

Lindholm/Klef? Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Vet/Hajek/Miller K Miller

Forwards are almost on point. I'd probably push Gauthier up to the 3rd line, leave Kravtsov in the A for now and get a true 4th line center.

But thats a MUCH better group of forwards than what we ran out this past season.

Kevan Miller is cooked.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

How about that guy with a little better defense and a little less dumb penalty minutes? I'm fine bringing back Strome on a bridge deal if the right guy isn't there, but they have to at least explore an upgrade.

The Rangers don't seem to be in as big a rush to fill that need as the people on this board do. The Rangers were almost a playoff team with him last season. Add Laf, another year of Kakko and Chytil and we're probably a wild card team. We aren't winning the cup next season - we are exiting the rebuild. Listening to JD's comments it's clear that they don't find themselves in any sort of rush. But the season after that we lose a ton of money on the books and then can go looking for that missing center piece instead of rushing to get a center just to get a center. I think people are going to be very disappointed in here when this is the plan they take.

 

[Ola]

Didn't it, though?

They drafted MacKinnon 7 years ago.

Yeah, Colorado is an interesting case study in the perspective of what definitely could lay ahead for us,.

Colorado sucked for seven season (06/07 to 12/13), and then got 114 pts in 2013-2014 which was MacKinnons rookie season. At that point they were seen as a team that went the long road and done things the right way that now had a super bright future. Mackinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, some good players already on board and so forth.

But after that they still missed the POs for three more straight seasons, finishing with only 48 pts in 2017.

It can definitely take time. And just because you take one big leap forward, it doesn't mean that you can't take three steps backwards if you make bad calls. In Colorado's case they probably made the most underrated "worst move" in the post cap era when they in 14' signed two completely bum forwards in Iginla and Tanguay that in no way supported their kids, their kids had to cover two roles, skate for Iginla and themselves...

Tampa also had the same type of bumpy road. They got 103 pts and made the ECF's with really young team in 2011, and then missed the POs the following two seasons. If we make the PO's in like 21' or 22', get 100-110 pts and win some rounds -- would we be prepared to miss the POs for 2-3 years thereafter?

 

[True Blue]

All the other top picks typically start on the 3rd line to give them a taste of the play. Let him get that treatment for 10-20 games. See where he is an if it's ideal to move him into the top 6. We don't have to rush him.

It goes beyond that. People throw around shifting positions, like it is some sort of video game. But it is just not that easy. So, no, I do not see the Rangers finally drafting first overall and then immediately shifting him to the opposite side of the ice.

The fact is that Panarin and Kreider will occupy the top two spots on wings. Kreider shows great chemistry with ZBad and Panarin is Panarin. So the fact is that the top overall pick will probably spend most of the year on the third line. As he should and there is nothing wrong with that. Unless he completely knocks the door down. Then, of course the plan gets adjusted.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

The Rangers don't seem to be in as big a rush to fill that need as the people on this board do. The Rangers were almost a playoff team with him last season. Add Laf, another year of Kakko and Chytil and we're probably a wild card team. We aren't winning the cup next season - we are exiting the rebuild. Listening to JD's comments it's clear that they don't find themselves in any sort of rush. But the season after that we lose a ton of money on the books and then can go looking for that missing center piece instead of rushing to get a center just to get a center. I think people are going to be very disappointed in here when this is the plan they take.

Well, we don't really know what the Rangers are going to do, they have been pretty tight lipped under Gorton. But that is basically what I was saying, if the right upgrade is available they'll do it, if not they'll bridge him.

 

[kovazub94]

You know, there keeps being talk about the Rangers demanding a big return for Georgiev and I just don't see it.

Not that they're going to give him away, but I don't know what some people are thinking Georgiev's value around the league is. Especially if Shesterkin takes the lion's share of starts next sesaon.

This is why people feel the Rangers get cheated when the actual trades go down. Because the hype on a potential return gets blown out of a propotion and reality feels deflating.

Yep.

If he brings back a mid-high 2nd rounder, I'm happy.

Carp didn’t frame the goalie point correctly. Here’s the chain of decisions as I see it:

1. The Rangers will not go into next season with three goalies

2. From the performance perspective and ALSO from the cap perspective they determined that Hank is the odd man out

3. Georgiev will be Shesterkin backup as he has controlled RFA years and who still has room to improve (to those thinking his value will never be higher)

4. Georgiev current trade value is not worth moving him so, unless another team comes up with exuberant offer, the Rangers are not moving him

 

[True Blue]

And even if what you said was true then still OF COURSE ges a top 4 scoring defensemen lol so what's your point?

Hoping I am missing the humor, but I was showing sarcasm as I completely agreed with your point.

 

[True Blue]

But we're both getting way ahead of ourselves, we don't know what this roster is going to look like or who is going to play where when ever the season starts again.

Agreed. Let's see how the rest of the off season and camp shakes out and then we can pick this argument up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Rangers don't seem to be in as big a rush to fill that need as the people on this board do. The Rangers were almost a playoff team with him last season. Add Laf, another year of Kakko and Chytil and we're probably a wild card team. We aren't winning the cup next season - we are exiting the rebuild. Listening to JD's comments it's clear that they don't find themselves in any sort of rush. But the season after that we lose a ton of money on the books and then can go looking for that missing center piece instead of rushing to get a center just to get a center. I think people are going to be very disappointed in here when this is the plan they take.

JD's a smart dude, he wouldn't want to publicly put unnecessary pressure on his team or coaches. I would be surprised if the internal expectation isn't to make the playoffs next year.

They aren't going to nuke everything and trade for vets all over the place, but its obvious changes are coming. Perhaps its as simple as signing a 4th line body and swapping a skill forward for a heavy, but they shouldn't limit themselves right now just because they have money coming of the books in a year. If anything, the cap situation will probably present more opportunities that otherwise would not be available.* Like it or not, the clock has started ticking with this group. Time isn't up and they don't need to cash in an win next season (I think that 21-22 is the year this team becomes a contender) but they do need to continue to take some steps forward. The FO knows where there issues are and they're not stupid (except when it comes to Staal), I would expect them to do everything they can within reason to intelligently address those areas.

* Not DeAngelo for 2 UFAs. But it wouldn't be a good idea to turn away guys who could be long term pieces who are part of the solution.

 

[True Blue]

He's strictly a winger now.

Maybe Messier can cut a good deal?

 

[nyr2k2]

Carp didn’t frame the goalie point correctly. Here’s the chain of decisions as I see it:

1. The Rangers will not go into next season with three goalies

2. From the performance perspective and ALSO from the cap perspective they determined that Hank is the odd man out

3. Georgiev will be Shesterkin backup as he has controlled RFA years and who still has room to improve (to those thinking his value will never be higher)

4. Georgiev current trade value is not worth moving him so, unless another team comes up with exuberant offer, the Rangers are not moving him

The thing with Georgiev is that it is far from a guarantee that his value increase. Given this inconsistent nature, and the small sample size associated with being a backup goalie, I can absolutely envision a scenario where his overall numbers at the end of the year are poor because of the small sample and a handful of dreadful starts. I'm not sure there is a ton of room to substantially increase his value, however I think there is more room for his value to drop. A bad season turns him into a 25-year-old career backup, approaching UFA, who has yet to show he is capable of playing consistently or being a full time starter.

I think it's important for the team to maximize his value, and I'm not sure if there's going to be a better time than now, particularly given the realities of the flat cap and all that. It would be a gamble to hold onto him and bank on his value increasing, or at least holding steady.

If it's me, I'm moving Georgiev for the best I can get, signing a 4A guy for two years to expose in the draft, and hoping that in two years someone like Wall or Huska is ready to step in (and if they aren't, acquiring a better backup for cheap).*

*Predicated on Lundqvist being willing to be a backup. If not, that changes the game completely.

 

[True Blue]

Haven't really seen his name brought up but how bout Jeff Carter as a trade candidate?

Yikes

 

[DutchShamrock]

How about that guy with a little better defense and a little less dumb penalty minutes? I'm fine bringing back Strome on a bridge deal if the right guy isn't there, but they have to at least explore an upgrade.

I can't argue against exploring, but it needs to be such a clear upgrade and salary fit that it's obvious. And not "anything is better than this trash" whipping boy obvious.

Strome has drawbacks but he is a known quantity that meshes with a star player. Why take a gamble on a new player that is unknown in that regard? Specifically, why THIS summer?

Until Staal and Lundqvist retire, we have very pressing needs elsewhere with very limited cap space. We have expansion slots to consider. We have in house possibilities that need time to develop.

It just seems so organic to ride this year out. The risk/reward is not favorable for big adds this summer. Honestly, you couldn't chalk up a better scenario than having a stop gap that meshes with Panarin and you aren't scared to lose in a year. Strome can move all around the line up.

The rangers added Panarin, Trouba and Fox since the last off season. The committed to Kreider long term. They will add Lafreniere. That's enough big moves to tide the organization over for another season. See how the kids develop during that time.

 

[Avery16]

I have a WONDERFUL idea for 2C for next season. This guy would have great chemistry with Panarin, probably fit in seamlessly with the team and is probably good for 50 points - his name is Ryan Strome on a short 1 or 2 year deal.

We can do better, and for the cap hit we really should try.

 

[Vitto79]

Carp didn’t frame the goalie point correctly. Here’s the chain of decisions as I see it:

1. The Rangers will not go into next season with three goalies

2. From the performance perspective and ALSO from the cap perspective they determined that Hank is the odd man out

3. Georgiev will be Shesterkin backup as he has controlled RFA years and who still has room to improve (to those thinking his value will never be higher)

4. Georgiev current trade value is not worth moving him so, unless another team comes up with exuberant offer, the Rangers are not moving him

I may be looking at this the wrong may but if Hank goes to Europe is he not in part to do the team a solid and keep both young G? Can’t really trade one if he agrees to go play in Europe w his bro

 

[Avery16]

Strome can move all around the line up.

Is this like how Smith can ”play” RD and F? Is Strome versatile??

 

[Rangers in 7]

As someone who has played hockey for 27 years switching from playing on the left to the right side as a forward isn’t as difficult as some of you guys make it out to be

 

[GAGLine]

What’s w the Stastny talk? He’s an old stop gap and may aswell just keep Strome and just get a 3rd line guy like Bennett

This team needs 1 more year to clear salary and get through expansion but after that sky is the limit

Stastny was mentioned as part of an ADA deal, but wasn't the main piece. We would be getting back Glass or Krebs in that scenario. If we were to move Strome in a separate deal, I'd be in favor of it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well, we don't really know what the Rangers are going to do, they have been pretty tight lipped under Gorton. But that is basically what I was saying, if the right upgrade is available they'll do it, if not they'll bridge him.

Look, if the right guy is there, by all means do it. Im just saying let's not buy just to buy.

 

[nyr2k2]

As someone who has played hockey for 27 years switching from playing on the left to the right side as a forward isn’t as difficult as some of you guys make it out to be

For some guys it is, for some guys it isn't. And honestly my experience is that in any sport, the higher you move up and the more talented the player, those are the guys that often are more resistant to making any kind of change. They're so good doing what they do in the position that they do it, there is some amount of mental block preventing them from being as successful.

I've watched Ovechkin play on the right many times, and he's just not as effective. You put him on the right and you largely eliminate that insane one-timer from the dot of his, and worse, you eliminate his go-to move which is to skate down the left-side boards, make a quick cut in, and release that devastating wrister using the defender as a screen. So he can play the right, and still be a productive player, but he's much more deadly on the left.

The same hold true for lots of guys.