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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

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Grumpy Humphrey said:
Why in the world would any staunch capitalist object to paying someone what the market dictates their services are worth?
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Its sarcasm. Do you read this thread?

It’s a mix of this is a business, and bitching about how much players want to be paid.

Which is pretty much a microcosm of sports fans.
 
n8 said:
What weird to me is "we need a


What's weird to me is "we need a fourth line" --> trade our one legit 4th liner. I get it if you want to sell up at the TDL but unless we've acquired better UFA options like Tanev and maybe(?) Hagelin on shorter term, trading Fast leaves an even bigger hole on the fourth line. Who is taking his PK time if he's traded? We really need a big improvement on the PK.
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I don't think he's saying that. I think he's saying sign some legit 4th liners over the summer, let Fast find his game again through a (hopefully) injury-free season, and trade him for assets at the deadline. The UFA's over the summer aren't necessarily on one year deals. Furthermore, I think Fast is a guy who can slot in on a 2nd or 3rd line as well when needed.

We need less penalties, better PK, better D, scoring, etc... The NYR have a lot of needs, unfortunately.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Cap space won't be an issue in 3 years. All of the big contracts are off the books in two years.
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Assuming we don't go out and pay 22 million to Panarin and Karlsson combined, I agree.

We get a fresh start from the BS bad contracts in two years time. Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith, Henrik(Not terrible but obviously no longer an economical contract)

That's like 25 million freed up. A lot will go to RFA raises, but that will still be a sigh of relief from management.

On a side note- had we not received a compliance buyout, Brad Richards would be entering the final year of his deal this season.
 
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I love Fast but especially at this point, I don't know if he's ever going to develop into a full season player. He has to play a certain way to stay in the lineup but playing that way will lead to injuries. Very similar to Callahan who at this point is barely an NHL player.

If Panarin isn't happening, Branden Tanev and reclamation Carl Hagelin fix the PK. Those type of players. Hagelin is a journeyman at this point. This will be his last NHL contract. Tanev is the right age as a UFA. He has a high motor.
 
Vitto79 said:
Which is why I wouldn’t sign a big ufa this year .... will be so close to having a ton of space and easily signing the kids that develop and a ufa at that time
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Which 'big' UFA are you going to sign for huge bucks two years from now--Nugent-Hopkins or Dougie Hamilton? because that's as likely as good as it's going to get and it might not even be that good.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
Why not take on Callahan for a year if he comes with an asset? It's not like the Rangers are flooded with forward talent and had Brendan freaking Smith playing forward night in and night out.
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Because it turns out he isn’t measurably worse as a F than at his actual position, and we couldn’t risk demoting him because he might injure himself in a fight with a much smaller teammate again.
 
eco's bones said:
Which 'big' UFA are you going to sign for huge bucks two years from now--Nugent-Hopkins or Dougie Hamilton? because that's as likely as good as it's going to get and it might not even be that good.
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Exactly. If the choice was sign Panarin now or wait for UFA in 2 years because that's the more appropriate time to sign a UFA, I think it's an easy choice.
 
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What do you think about Oliwer Kaski:
Oliwer Kaski
Big RD, almost 24 years old. He has become a world champion yesterday. Unfortunately according to dobberprospects.com he is, despite his size, offensive Dman and he needs to work on his defensive game. I hope they are wrong ;)
 
eco's bones said:
Which 'big' UFA are you going to sign for huge bucks two years from now--Nugent-Hopkins or Dougie Hamilton? because that's as likely as good as it's going to get and it might not even be that good.
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A lot can happen in 2 years... including building up plenty of capital to make a trade for someone we really need to put us over the top.

I'm against Panarin because I think the term and NTC will be an issue, not the cap hit really... and certainly not because I feel he isn't a tremendous talent. I'm mostly against it because I am hopeful that our home grown wingers will be as good or better than him at some point.

If he were a center or a stud #1 D I could see taking the risk. But I digress.
 
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Fitzy said:
Assuming we don't go out and pay 22 million to Panarin and Karlsson combined, I agree.

We get a fresh start from the BS bad contracts in two years time. Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith, Henrik(Not terrible but obviously no longer an economical contract)

That's like 25 million freed up. A lot will go to RFA raises, but that will still be a sigh of relief from management.

On a side note- had we not received a compliance buyout, Brad Richards would be entering the final year of his deal this season.
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Kakko or Hughes will get 9 to 10 million/year on their second contract if they perform to expectations. The thing with a large contract to Panarin or Karlsson is that it will prevent the Rangers from acquiring someone else down the line that may be better (and younger) than either of those players at that time. It's hard to predict who will be available two or three years from now. Gorton seems like the kind of GM to keep his options open and add when the time is right.
 
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eco's bones said:
Which 'big' UFA are you going to sign for huge bucks two years from now--Nugent-Hopkins or Dougie Hamilton? because that's as likely as good as it's going to get and it might not even be that good.
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Why do the Rangers NEED to sign a big UFA in two years? Or am I misunderstanding you?

If there is something that we have seen, players become available. Via fre agency or trade.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
Exactly. If the choice was sign Panarin now or wait for UFA in 2 years because that's the more appropriate time to sign a UFA, I think it's an easy choice.
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The cap ceiling could be $90 mil two years from now and the cap floor around $70 mil. At the moment we have about $11 of it for the 21-22 season with the bulk of our players on ELC's or going into or on 2nd contracts. No matter how many times this gets pointed out--some people just refuse to get it. I don't if they're bad with math, haven't taken a rudimentary look at cap friendly to figure out who might be available, have little or no imagination or WTF their problem is. I know I look at Nugent-Hopkins as a good 2C and that I wouldn't want to give him a huge long term deal and ditto for Hamilton who I just got done watching the Caps and Bruins abuse physcially in the playoffs. And yeah there might be some other decent talent available--Saad, Danault, Gallagher for instance but these are not guys you break the bank for.

I suppose we could buy up the entire hockey universe's toxic contracts and bury them. Or if Chytil's a 45 point player at that point give him an $8.5 mil per year 2nd contract and Andersson $7 mil per 2nd contract for putting up 35.....but the Rangers are going to have to end up paying somebody. Just overpay everyone as soon as they hit their second deal.
 
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Gary Bettman and Bill Daly always have their state of the league press conference before game one of the finals. There should be some idea of where the cap is headed and the status of CBA discussions early this evening. The NHL and NHLPA could change the formula because the players are sick of escrow.

In December, Bettman said the cap would be approximately $83M. A few weeks ago on the 31 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman said the upper limit might be lower than $83M.
 
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Riche16 said:
A lot can happen in 2 years... including building up plenty of capital to make a trade for someone we really need to put us over the top.

I'm against Panarin because I think the term and NTC will be an issue, not the cap hit really... and certainly not because I feel he isn't a tremendous talent. I'm mostly against it because I am hopeful that our home grown wingers will be as good or better than him at some point.

If he were a center or a stud #1 D I could see taking the risk. But I digress.
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Where does the cap project to be at in 2 years? This coming season should be 83million?
 
I Eat Crow said:
Kakko or Hughes will get 9 to 10 million/year on their second contract if they perform to expectations. The thing with a large contract to Panarin or Karlsson is that it will prevent the Rangers from acquiring someone else down the line that may be better (and younger) than either of those players at that time. It's hard to predict who will be available two or three years from now. Gorton seems like the kind of GM to keep his options open and add when the time is right.
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I feel like it could easily be more than 9-10 million with the cap going up and players being more resistant in signing team friendly deals. Some contracts that look expensive now are going to be considered a bargain in a few years.
 
With an $83 M cap we should have around 10 M in space after the RFAs sign. Maybe CK20 is also likewise dealt for non roster assets potentially adding even more $pace. Maybe not. Time will tell.

Regardless - we should IMO stay away from long term UFA commitments this offseason. Sign a couple of short term deals with 1-2 established reclamation projects. The Type of guys that are always out there => ie good signings. If one does their proper research (Se Grabner, Chiasson...) you get a mentoring player with solid production that also gives a nice return at the TDL. For nothing but ca$H. These small positives eventually add up. “...every creek is a river, heading our to sea...” (btw - a line taken from one of my songs).

I would also do the Cally trade - if it is possible - getting another good asset. Hope that Zucc resigns in Dallas (very likely for 4 years at 6,2-6,5 M Per season I have heard). Also maybe try sign that Russian guy Burdasov. Maybe help someone else with their cap problem (but no long term deals).

Amass assets galore. Start using them next offseason to get a few real difference makers when the opportunity arises. They always do. Patience, Grasshoppers...
 
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BBKers said:
With an $83 M cap we should have around 10 M in space after the RFAs sign. Maybe cK is also dealt for non roster assets. Maybe not. Regardless - we should IMO stay away from long term UFA commitments this offseason. Sign a couple of short term deals with 1-2reclamation projects. Do the Cally trade if possible getting another asset. Hope that Zucc resigns in Dallas (very likely for 4 years at 6,2-6,5 M Per season I have heard). maybe sign to Russian guy Burdasov. Maybe help someone else with their cap problem (no long term deals). Amass assets galore. Start using them next offseason to get a few real difference makers when the opportunity arises. They always do. Patience Grasshoppers
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Yeah. We are so close to having an amazing foundation for future success. Just keep doing what they've been doing and we'll be a legit contender in a few years. Stay the course.
 
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eco's bones said:
Which 'big' UFA are you going to sign for huge bucks two years from now--Nugent-Hopkins or Dougie Hamilton? because that's as likely as good as it's going to get and it might not even be that good.
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2021-22 UFA pool looks pretty lean. 2020-21 isn’t much better with the exception of Taylor Hall (maybe) and possibly Jacob Trouba (if he doesn’t sign this offseason)

Don’t think for a minute that the Rangers don’t know all of this.
 
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If the Rangers bring in Callahan, they should send Fast. No need for both players this year. That should increase the value coming back from TB and it creates a spot on the wing for a young player. That and it gives TB a similar player to Callahan for the season.
 
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