My pleasure. Happy to share what I can.
I would state there is a difference between not knowing another teams system, and knowing that they built one up from a barren wasteland through some shrewd sell-offs.
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My pleasure. Happy to share what I can.
I would state there is a difference between not knowing another teams system, and knowing that they built one up from a barren wasteland through some shrewd sell-offs.
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Lucic isnt valuable at any cap hit anymore.
Bob Richards
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I love the idea of poaching assets from teams looking to shed bad contracts but Lucic is so f***ing awful its unreal.
eco's bones
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On the Brooks column though--there isn't really a foolproof blueprint to building a winner apart from bringing together a lot of good players and getting them to play well with each other. I think that was his main point and there's no reason for anyone to get angry with him over it.
Pittsburgh got three Stanley Cups that started with the Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Jordan Staal picks and then building off of that and that is one way and it's a way that hasn't worked so well for Edmonton and Buffalo. It's not just top 5 draft picks--it's also scouting drafting well and then developing well--finding the right coach not only with the main team but with the minor league team helps a lot as well.....and you have to have a GM shrewd enough to make other player personnel moves to enhance what you have and also to manage the cap...........and then you have to have some luck---to come together in the locker room and on the ice and be going strong at the end of the year--to stay away from key injuries----to get puck bounces and officials decisions go your way at the right time......and timing can change on a dime--witness the San Jose Sharks who kind of lucked their way through two rounds and then the luck ran out with a million injuries.
It happens every year--because the fans of the eventual winner are going to be beating their chests like it was always in the bag but it's not always the most talented team that wins.
Pittsburgh got three Stanley Cups that started with the Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Jordan Staal picks and then building off of that and that is one way and it's a way that hasn't worked so well for Edmonton and Buffalo. It's not just top 5 draft picks--it's also scouting drafting well and then developing well--finding the right coach not only with the main team but with the minor league team helps a lot as well.....and you have to have a GM shrewd enough to make other player personnel moves to enhance what you have and also to manage the cap...........and then you have to have some luck---to come together in the locker room and on the ice and be going strong at the end of the year--to stay away from key injuries----to get puck bounces and officials decisions go your way at the right time......and timing can change on a dime--witness the San Jose Sharks who kind of lucked their way through two rounds and then the luck ran out with a million injuries.
It happens every year--because the fans of the eventual winner are going to be beating their chests like it was always in the bag but it's not always the most talented team that wins.
Yeah the soft mention of Pietriangelo made me chuckle.
Yeah a franchise corner stone was taken with a lottery pick.... but it doesnt count because it was 11 years ago!
pld459666
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Yeah, like when I haven’t seen him in a few months I start to think, well how bad could he be. I am a dreamer. Some retention and you are compensated amply for taking him on. And so forth. How bad can he be? But I’ve been down this road before, when I see him I always make a mental note of just how bad he is. Don’t touch with a ten ft pole bad. Really.
And I’ve seen it before. He looks exactly like a player who aren’t feeling good at all to be honest. It always feels a bit dirty to speculate on these things, but he is such an obvious example. Hockey is about emotions, he doesn’t have any whatsoever any more. Puts one feet in-front of the other. Sure he will get a little pissed at times, but the full range isn’t there. The energy isn’t there. That plus the game going in the wrong direction AND him getting older are three big nails in the coffin. Like in many areas he is a — worse — forward than Brendan Smith. Smith was a pain in the rear for Ds to play against. Lucic never comes close to anyone.
It’s probably best to stay far far away. Find our own Lucic, the next one.
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I think the big difference is what top-5 picks. Pittsburgh got the #2 in a year with an elite top 2 and then #1 in a year with a elite #1. If they come away with Fleury, Ladd, Ryan and Staal, I think it plays out a lot different.
How about them Oilers with Hall, Yakupov, RNH in a row from 2010-2012. But of course they get McDavid too in 2015.
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And they trade Hall after McDavid's rookie year. So them being dumb is definitely an additional barrier.
Yeah like 31 said, they were dumb with the Hall trade.
RNH isn't even a top 10 player from his draft year and Yakupov was a bust.
Hall-McDavid-Draisatil would be a nice trio to build around.
n8
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These all seem to contradict each other. Trading Fast seems like a hockey trade. Why trade him for draft picks or prospects and he's a perfect 4th liner. We just didn't have the depth last season for him to be playing that low. Kakko Kravtsov Buchnevich on the right might correct that.
Fast: Expiring contractm Rental that contenders value. Hockey trade is on where it's not a cap related deal, ie rental, or adding/removing dollars.
4th Liners: Legitimate checkers that can kill penalties, and defend 5v5, play physical.
Rangers iced what? Smith and Brinkley and dressed 7 defensemen?
haohmaru
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Our fourth line was awful last year - a hurt Fast and whoever else we could stick in there with a pulse. Hell, how many games did we have a 7th D and double shifting someone on that 4th line?
If Fast has a solid bounce-back year, he'll be sought after at the deadline for sure. I don't see what's contradictory here.
If Fast has a solid bounce-back year, he'll be sought after at the deadline for sure. I don't see what's contradictory here.
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We'll probably sign the fanciest name on the market the summer of 2021and claim no other UFA like that was available before or will ever be available again. We will read articles how this time it's different. Then complain from 2022 to 2028 about the need to buy him out or demand Gorts pay someone to take him.
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From The Dallas Morning News Why you shouldn't expect to see Jason Spezza or Roman Polak back in a Stars uniform next season:
"Matthew DeFranks, Stars beat writer for SportsDayDFW.com and The Dallas Morning News, answered your questions about the team in a live chat Thursday.
Is it fair to say that re-signing Mats Zuccarello is the No. 1 priority for the Stars this offseason? What exactly does Dallas need to do to ensure that happens?
DeFranks: At this point, yes. You could argue that it was more important than extending Esa Lindell, and now that Lindell's signed, Zuccarello is the main target. He helped transform the Stars top six after the trade and Dallas needs a top-six forward in the offseason (either him or someone else).
As far as what the Stars need to do, the cap hit will probably fall in the $6 million range. Some comps to be aware of:
-- James Neal (5 yrs, $5.75 million)
-- T.J. Oshie (8 yrs, $5.75 million)
-- Patric Hornqvist (5 yrs, $5.3 million)
-- Alex Steen (4 yrs, $5.75 million)
-- Alexander Radulov (5 yrs, $6.25 million)
Those are wingers at least 30 years old with similar-ish point production to Zuccarello. After that, it's about contract length"
"Matthew DeFranks, Stars beat writer for SportsDayDFW.com and The Dallas Morning News, answered your questions about the team in a live chat Thursday.
Is it fair to say that re-signing Mats Zuccarello is the No. 1 priority for the Stars this offseason? What exactly does Dallas need to do to ensure that happens?
DeFranks: At this point, yes. You could argue that it was more important than extending Esa Lindell, and now that Lindell's signed, Zuccarello is the main target. He helped transform the Stars top six after the trade and Dallas needs a top-six forward in the offseason (either him or someone else).
As far as what the Stars need to do, the cap hit will probably fall in the $6 million range. Some comps to be aware of:
-- James Neal (5 yrs, $5.75 million)
-- T.J. Oshie (8 yrs, $5.75 million)
-- Patric Hornqvist (5 yrs, $5.3 million)
-- Alex Steen (4 yrs, $5.75 million)
-- Alexander Radulov (5 yrs, $6.25 million)
Those are wingers at least 30 years old with similar-ish point production to Zuccarello. After that, it's about contract length"
Eh at least by then we should have a pretty good idea of what we have with our current crop.
It'd probably make a whole lot of sense.
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One other issue besides being unable to buy him out and having to protect him in the expansion draft is the fact that acquiring Lucic tells everyone, fans and players, that you don't plan for games to matter for another 4 years til 2023. Not sure that's the message the team intends to send. I think the idea should be to get a late first or a second round pick for 1 or max 2 more years of a bad contract. Nothing says the 8OA will be a star, just as likely to be a role player, but $6 for 2 seasons would be harmful, as would the message that the next 328 games don't matter.
yes someone pointed that out after my post and that is a million times more important. unless the trade voids the NMC which forces protection then thats a deal breaker at almost any price
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I disagree on not competing for the next 4 seasons. Especially if Edmonton retains. Lots of teams have an older player or two who may be slightly overpaid to help build an identity and lead the young players.
eco's bones
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Well I've been looking at that and it's mostly 2nd and 3rd line forwards and 2nd and 3rd pairing defenseman.
The big names out there will be old as f*** with the exception of Gabriel Landeskog (and I suspect Colorado will re-sign him). So the big names for the summer of 21 are Alex Ovechkin, Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Pekka Rinne, Henrik Lundqvist, Eric Staal, Dustin Byfuglien--all 35 or on the wrong side of that number. Tuukka Rask will be 34. I don't expect we'll be needing goalies though.
So what's left besides Landeskog--well Nugent Hopkins, Jaden Schwartz, Brandon Saad, Dougie Hamilton, Adam Larsson, Phillip Danault, a 33 year old Nick Foligno, Frederik Andersen, Brendan Gallagher.
So the truth is once past Ovechkin there is no fancy name that's going to be out there in the summer of 21. Anyone who would get in a bidding war for any of these players is out of their head. Free agency for a big name player is not an option in the summer of 21. At best you might spend $5.5-6 on any one of them and if we're close to a $90 mil ceiling by then to get to the floor we just might have to do some 2 or 3 for 1 trades of kids for vets unless by that time Chytil, Andersson, Fox and Shesterkin are really killing it. Kravtsov and Kakko (Hughes) will still have another ELC year left.
Might as well be all in on Panarin and get ahead of things a little.
Machinehead
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Lucic is bad but I feel it's reached meme status as far as how bad he actually is.
He's more of a run of the mill 4th liner who does nothing than a festering zit who very actively hurts the team.
I mean, having him on the team says we're not competing for 4 years??? We literally did compete with Tanner f***ing Glass in the lineup.
Tanner Glass, he is not.
He's more of a run of the mill 4th liner who does nothing than a festering zit who very actively hurts the team.
I mean, having him on the team says we're not competing for 4 years??? We literally did compete with Tanner f***ing Glass in the lineup.
Tanner Glass, he is not.
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