Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

[NYR Viper]

I think the problem is that many live with some illusion that the organization will get a bounty if Hank can be traded. It’s just ridiculous, nobody is giving up anything of value for him with his cap hit. Which contender need a goalie?

Stop dreaming. If we move him, we need a backup goalie. Shesty should play in HFD. Hank can probably be moved, if we take a contract back. Could we get a 2nd rounder? But what is the gain if we have to move that pick for a new back-up? A lot of hyperbole that isn’t thought through.

Finding a backup goalie wouldn’t be difficult.

 

[Vitto79]

Ritchie from Dallas a good target for say Pionk ?

 

[ETTER DE]

Ritchie from Dallas a good target for say Pionk ?

No, according to Dallas fans he is useless.

 

[Fitzy]

Hank's played in front of bad teams before, but they were always teams that tried to win. Even in 08-09 when things were looking really bad.

It's plausible that his effort and compete level, not just age, have had an impact on his metrics.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Hank's played in front of bad teams before, but they were always teams that tried to win. Even in 08-09 when things were looking really bad.

It's plausible that his effort and compete level, not just age, have had an impact on his metrics.

I think it's a combination of both.

A decline is expected and it's become obvious that it's kicked in. But at the same time, the workload he's endured the past 2 to 3 years in terms of shot quantity and quality is absolutely insane and I think it's taken its toll both physically and mentally.

I don't expect Henrik to be the Henrik of old anymore but I wonder how he'd play over a full season with just a semi competent defense in front of him. He simply can't cover for the magnitude of mistakes in front of him anymore.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Hank was a beast in the early part of the year. He was his vintage Hank. Stole some Games for. Kept us in games we had no business being in. Basically what he’s done his entire career here.

The guy can still play.

It’s sad to see his twilight years being wasted on a team that had to rebuild. Nothing is more important than the long term success of this team. As bad as I want to see him retire a Ranger, I’d also like to see him get a couple more cracks with a contender.

 

[bleedblue94]

Wat? We fired him.

Doesn't matter. He's still under contract to the organization and the league shifted to compensation for hires like that unless I'm mistaken. Didn't Boston get a pick from Edmonton when they hired PC?

Edit, see link:

Edmonton Oilers will pay draft pick compensation for GM Chiarelli, coach McLellan

 

[Rongomania]

I just have a feeling that one of Chytil, Howden, Lias; the sophomore C’s has a breakout season. Man, that would be such a huge, monumental extra boost to this rebuild, on top of that fast forward button we acquired known as 2.

October yet ?

 

[Barnaby]

It’s a business. It was business for Hank when he got every penny available to him in his last three contracts. The Rangers were more than fair with him. They were more than generous in the last 3 contracts.

The Rangers have to run their team. They can’t have Lundqvist chime in with his opinion. He has no authority. He is a player. Here we have a player asking about his role and if the teams plans are in sync with his plans.

That’s ridiculous. I don’t care who it is. Everyone should stay in their lanes.

Coaches coach. Players play.

I agree with the majority of your statement, but they absolutely should have a conversation. He should know his role. They should tell Henrik what they are doing, and find out whether he wants to be in or out. He should not influence their plan at all - obviously, but the last thing you want is a toxic situation. It’s bad for the franchise, player, and fans alike.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No, according to Dallas fans he is useless.

That's a good target then

 

[DutchShamrock]

Doesn't matter. He's still under contract to the organization and the league shifted to compensation for hires like that unless I'm mistaken. Didn't Boston get a pick from Edmonton when they hired PC?

Edit, see link:

Edmonton Oilers will pay draft pick compensation for GM Chiarelli, coach McLellan

compensation ended a few years back, not long after the Chiarelli hiring if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Irishguy42]

Doesn't matter. He's still under contract to the organization and the league shifted to compensation for hires like that unless I'm mistaken. Didn't Boston get a pick from Edmonton when they hired PC?

Edit, see link:

Edmonton Oilers will pay draft pick compensation for GM Chiarelli, coach McLellan

Compensation ended January 1, 2016.

NHL to end coach and executive compensation policy

 

[egelband]

Last year after the Rangers season was over i was 100% certain that the NY Rangers would never trade Lundqvist, and he would retire here.

This year so many stars are aligning to make me think otherwise.

1) The reigning president of the "good ole boys club" steps down (Sather)
2) Hank's weird interview
3) JD comes home, and touches on the touchy subject in his first interview. And it was very Vague, but one peice resonates. JD touched on how Hank throughout his career was been very healthy and is still today. No major injuries. Sounds like he's had this conversation before.
4) Geo has morphed into a tremendous backup, likely worthy of more starts.
5) Shestyorkin has signed, and is coming over.

Last year Gorton spoke about how Hank was approached and wanted to stay here etc. The Organization is first class and was to support him the whole way. There's a lot that can happen in a year.

I reckon nothing happens until we see Shesterkin and more of Georgiev. If they both tear it up, then something may have to give. And if that's the case, Henrik probably reads the writing on the wall and takes a buyout, a trade, or retirement. He's not going to year down his legacy for an extra year of being with the rangers. And I'm sure the rangers wouldnt let it get ugly either. It'll be fine.

 

[egelband]

it wouldn't shock me if hank was here beyond his current contract, if he doesn't get traded. I don't see him signing with another team after the deal is up if he's still a ranger...

we currently have an issue to deal with having 3 goalies and trying to find enough playing time between shesty and georgiev to determine who we want to keep long term as the heir to the king. but one way or the other that will resolve itself over the next 2 years. so you easily could end up with hank finishing up his career as the backup behind either shesty or georgiev, which I think was always the plan for shesty befor georgiev threw himself into the mix.

whoever between the 2 russians doesn't get the nod will be dealt since they'd have more value in a trade then a near 40 year old hank

Anything's possible. I didn't think we'd ever see Henrik elsewhere in the NHL. And i still don't expect it. But I think there may be Zucc in his ear saying: I found out surprisingly easy and pleasant going to a new team. Maybe.

 

[Vitto79]

I reckon nothing happens until we see Shesterkin and more of Georgiev. If they both tear it up, then something may have to give. And if that's the case, Henrik probably reads the writing on the wall and takes a buyout, a trade, or retirement. He's not going to year down his legacy for an extra year of being with the rangers. And I'm sure the rangers wouldnt let it get ugly either. It'll be fine.

Yea Shestyorkin needs time in the AHL like Samsonov and others have done . It really shouldn’t be an issue this year it’s more of a concern next

Goo chance Hank waives At the deadline imo but a lot can happen

Rangers need to save a contract to be eaten . Spooner , maybe Hank and 1 D likeky Smith

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Keep Hank and evaluate if a trade deadline moves make sense for both parties. Start Shesty in HFD and then shuttle him and Georgie for games once he gets acclimated. That’s the plan most likely.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Damn, once Hank, Smith, Shatty, Staal contracts clear and Spooner, Beleskey, and DG largely come off books, kids grow up, we’re gonna be good, really good with money to spend wisely

 

[Leetch3]

Keep Hank and evaluate if a trade deadline moves make sense for both parties. Start Shesty in HFD and then shuttle him and Georgie for games once he gets acclimated. That’s the plan most likely.

problem though is that georgiev requires waivers after he plays 17 games, so while starting shesty in hartford makes the most sense, the risk is that when its 'time' to call him up you won't be able to send georgiev down so no idea how they are gonna balance that

 

[kovazub94]

Moving Hank wouldn't be about the return. It would be the cap space and roster space, and/or letting him choose to move on.

Not even that - it would start and be the prime motivation to accommodate Hank if he decides to give it a last chance to pursue the Cup elsewhere, as long as it’s not too detrimental to the team in terms of cap space. Mid round pick return would be just fine (honestly I’d lol if they got a symbolic 7th rounder).

 

[Ola]

problem though is that georgiev requires waivers after he plays 17 games, so while starting shesty in hartford makes the most sense, the risk is that when its 'time' to call him up you won't be able to send georgiev down so no idea how they are gonna balance that

Don’t think Shesty is that close really. His talent and skill level is apparent, but he has never been a starter for his club team and have had trouble with the competition at more or less every level he have played. I think he needs to go trough a season playing 50-60 games as a starter in NA. Learn from that and come in well prepared for next season if things go well.

 

[Rongomania]

Don’t think Shesty is that close really. His talent and skill level is apparent, but he has never been a starter for his club team and have had trouble with the competition at more or less every level he have played. I think he needs to go trough a season playing 50-60 games as a starter in NA. Learn from that and come in well prepared for next season if things go well.

Perfect. Let him be the guy on the pack, we have no rush, if he struggles badly, we just keep Georgy up. Like @egelband said though, it’s going to be extremely interesting if Shesty hits the ground running and looks amazing all season. I don’t see any scenario where we’d keep Georgiev.

This has been the plan all along as I see it, Shesty/Hank tandem until Hank is done. Only thing that sucks is we found a gem in Georgy so that’ll be tough. However, if Georgy builds his value all season he could be huge for a team with a fringe goalie situation.

I don’t really see any major issues aside from we probably won’t get amazing value for Georgy, but who knows what will happen there. Many storylines this season, you’ve gotta give Gorton that, this is the most excited I’ve been for a season in a loooooong time.

 

[Leetch3]

Don’t think Shesty is that close really. His talent and skill level is apparent, but he has never been a starter for his club team and have had trouble with the competition at more or less every level he have played. I think he needs to go trough a season playing 50-60 games as a starter in NA. Learn from that and come in well prepared for next season if things go well.

I think the plan is definitely for him to play 50-60 games, its just a question of how many games he plays in the AHL vs the NHL.

a huge factor here is his escape clause...he has said he's willing to play in the AHL, but is he willing to spend the entire season down there? I'm not sure.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

problem though is that georgiev requires waivers after he plays 17 games, so while starting shesty in hartford makes the most sense, the risk is that when its 'time' to call him up you won't be able to send georgiev down so no idea how they are gonna balance that

That sux but could be 60% of the season to figure things out before he gets to 17

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Perfect. Let him be the guy on the pack, we have no rush, if he struggles badly, we just keep Georgy up. Like @egelband said though, it’s going to be extremely interesting if Shesty hits the ground running and looks amazing all season. I don’t see any scenario where we’d keep Georgiev.

This has been the plan all along as I see it, Shesty/Hank tandem until Hank is done. Only thing that sucks is we found a gem in Georgy so that’ll be tough. However, if Georgy builds his value all season he could be huge for a team with a fringe goalie situation.

I don’t really see any major issues aside from we probably won’t get amazing value for Georgy, but who knows what will happen there. Many storylines this season, you’ve gotta give Gorton that, this is the most excited I’ve been for a season in a loooooong time.

Georgy isn't going anywhere. If they trade him, it'll be because they want to, not because they have to.

It's not like Hank has like 3-4 years left of his contract. They'll figure it out.

 

[Leetch3]

That sux but could be 60% of the season to figure things out before he gets to 17

thats possible but that also is alot of games for hank...part of the challenge created by the 17 game limit is that georgiev deserves to play and without shesty in the mix i think hank/georgiev would be closer to a 50/50 split. so you don't want georgiev riding the bench to keep his games played down cause a huge part of this is seeing what you have with him. and you also don't want to wait till he has played 16 games to do the swap because then its a one time thing, you won't be able to swap the goalies back and forth multiple times...

i'm really not sure how they are going to avoid having 3 goalies on the roster at times when they want to give shesty a few looks