Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

[BBKers]

Psycho wife not so happy life

 

[RangerBoy]

Who ever said that the Rangers were going to align their plans and goals after what Hank wants?

Rangers is in need of a vet goalie for next season. You need someone who can share the duties with Geo. It’s potential Hank can fill a role for NYR next season. If things work out as planned, the year after that is questionable.

Is Hank on board to play that role? That is what JD must talk with him about. If he is not, he will be traded/retire. There are no alternatives.

What is the upside in dealing him? You take back like Luongos three year deal and retain on Hank to get a 2nd round pick? Nothing major is coming back to us.

The issue is Hank wants to sit down and talk to the Rangers to see if HIS plans are in synch with the vision of the team and his role going forward. Hank isn't management. He is a player. He has a contract. What are his plans? His plan should be train in the summer and get ready for training camp. Is anyone else on the team meeting with management to see if THEIR plan is in synch with the vision of the team. He is the one forcing the issue. Does he want a guarantee on how many starts he will get next season and which veteran players they will add to appease him?

Where did I say the Rangers should change their plans to appease Hank? They haven't done so at any point of the rebuild. They already had the conversation with him. 15-16 months ago. They offered him a chance to leave. They would explore a trade for him. They better not make a single move to appease him in any fashion. What else could it be? Playing time and bringing in more veteran players. He already knows the vision of the team.

Maybe Hank should retire from the NHL and play with his brother Joel in Frolunda. They can win a championship together there.

 

[RangerBoy]

Mr. RangerBoy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this message board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Your problem is you don't like the truth.

The truth hurts.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Your problem is you don't like the truth.

The truth hurts.

The truth? You jump to conclusions and project your own feelings into these discussions and try and pass it off as truth. It's not the truth, it's more like conjecture.

Perfect example is your thoughts about Lundqvist's comments to the Swedish media.

Th actual facts say that Lundqvist made comments to the Swedish media alluding to basically "never say never" about playing elsewhere and it's ultimately up to the Rangers. He then writes an email to Brooks to clarify what he meant. In this situation the actual truth is what the guy actually said and then went out of his way to clarify his point.

Instead of accepting that as fact, you form your own "well actually I know what he really meant!" opinion and craft an entire argument about around that opinion as if it's fact.

 

[RangerBoy]

These people want the Rangers to treat Lundqvist differently than the other players. It's not a business because it involves Lundqvist. Bullshit.

Brian Cashman didn't treat Derek Jeter differently. Jeter won 5 rings. World Series MVP. Yankee captain.

Nonetheless, Jeter wanted to get paid like the player he’d been in his middle twenties. In the fall of 2010, he became a first-time free agent at the age of thirty-six. He’d had a bad year at the plate and a worse one in the field, but he demanded a max contract into his forties. Cashman pushed back, declining to bargain against himself. The terms he set and stuck to — $51 million for three years — pricked Jeter’s damaged pride. “Jetes sent messages through his agent that we were f—ing him when no one was willing to pay what we offered,” says Cashman. “I’m like, ‘How much higher do we have to be than highest?’ ” He invited Jeter and his agent, Casey Close, to go out and shop the deal. Jeter returned to the table smarting; no one had come close to the Yankees’ bid. Close even suggested a stark concession for his client: a piece of either the YES Network or the team. “At the meeting, Derek said, ‘What other shortstop would you want playing here?’ and I started rolling off names,” says Cashman. “I got, like, three names down and Casey said, ‘Stop, this isn’t productive.’ Then Derek got up and goes, ‘You guys finish this! I don’t want to go anywhere else, but I don’t want to be in here either!’”

How Yankees’ Brian Cashman once snapped back at Derek Jeter during contract talks

It's not personal. It's a business.

 

[haohmaru]

Your problem is you don't like the truth.

The truth hurts.

No, the problem is you don't know what Hank's truth is and neither does anyone else except Henrik. From my interpretation, he's anticipating being here through the end of his contract in two years and talking about a possible non-Rangers future after that. Did he bitch and moan about not playing all that much at the tail end of the year last year? No - as a matter of fact he said that Georgiev deserved the starts. Lundqvist has been the poster boy of professionalism, preparedness, competitiveness, and leadership and it just rankles your ass that he's still on the team and still wanting to win. It's all he ever wants for the Rangers.

Of course Lundqvist is getting ready for the upcoming season. Of course he deserves to have questions answered (whether he likes the answers or not) for being the face, and leader, of this team for over a decade. If he's not satisfied with those answers and wants to move then it's a sad day in Ranger-land but that wish should, and will, be granted by the team.

The constant nitpicking and criticism for possibly the greatest Ranger to ever don the jersey really gets old. Henrik isn't a whiny baby by anyone's standards save for perhaps the stuff you make up to suit your narrative. He's a professional, an excellent teammate, a competitor, a leader, and an all time Ranger great. Let's stop making this out to be the horse you're taking behind the barn to put out of its misery. JD will shoot straight and Henrik will have the freedom to do whatever he wants and deservedly so.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

These people want the Rangers to treat Lundqvist differently than the other players. It's not a business because it involves Lundqvist. Bull****.

Brian Cashman didn't treat Derek Jeter differently. Jeter won 5 rings. World Series MVP. Yankee captain.



How Yankees’ Brian Cashman once snapped back at Derek Jeter during contract talks

It's not personal. It's a business.

Good point. I was heartbroken when the Yankees traded Jeter. But it's just business.

Wait a second.



Jeter is a funny comparison to make considering the Yankees kept him around as their starting short stop through him turning 40 and for about 4 seasons or so past him being deserving of that role based on his play.

And I love how to you Brian Cashman not wanting to pay Jeter 50 million for 3 seasons and the Rangers trading Lundqvist both being just business as if they're comparable scenarios. Aside from these being two formerly great NY athletes, not sure how these two situations are comparable at all, at least not in the context you've presented them.

 

[Bob Richards]

You never know, but I firmly believe that there has never and will never be an NHLer who has played 15 years in the league and cannot walk out of the Dr's office without a clean bill of health. These guys enters that territory when they are 20-25, not 30-35 with the odd exception going towards 40, the odd exception might go to 25...

There is no way that all parts like knees, hip, shoulders, brain and what not will be in such state after 15 years in the league that the doctor don't put you in the -- 'sure you can keep playing, but it will cost you when you grow older because you already has damaged xxxx' cathegory. And that is enough to go on LTIR. Permanent damage that only will get worse.

Agreed.

And the added nudge that those last years are always dummy years where they’re getting paid like $8.55 for the year in actual salary.

Circumvent the cap circumvention penalties

 

[RangerBoy]

The truth? You jump to conclusions and project your own feelings into these discussions and try and pass it off as truth. It's not the truth, it's more like conjecture.

Perfect example is your thoughts about Lundqvist's comments to the Swedish media.

Th actual facts say that Lundqvist made comments to the Swedish media alluding to basically "never say never" about playing elsewhere and it's ultimately up to the Rangers. He then writes an email to Brooks to clarify what he meant. In this situation the actual truth is what the guy actually said and then went out of his way to clarify his point.

Instead of accepting that as fact, you form your own "well actually I know what he really meant!" opinion and craft an entire argument about around that opinion as if it's fact.

Henrik should just stop talking about his future. I think his comments to the Swedish media are his true feelings. He doesn't feel the Rangers are committed to him. If you look at the Rangers situation, I don't blame him for feeling that way. He is not stupid. Quinn gave Georgiev more and more starts in the 2nd half. Georgiev outplayed him by a wide margin. He sees Shesterkin signed. It won't be long before he starts pushing for more playing. The Rangers have traded basically everybody except for Kreider and Steal. All of his friends have been traded.

Then John Davidson says this on Wednesday

• On Henrik Lundqvist’s future, “he’s playing very well at the Worlds right now, I’ve watched quite a few of the Sweden games. He has never really had injuries where you worry about his back or knees or hips going so that has been a real plus. Ultimate pro as far as how he trains and gets himself ready. I will find time for sure to have a good solid talk with Hank about what we think we are and where we are going, what he wants to do. I know there is a huge commitment by the club to him because there is respect there and there should be. We will get on the same page, whatever that is, I don’t know yet but I’d love to see him come back and play 50 games, win 30+ of them and it would be awesome but we need to get on the same page with all that stuff with where we are.”

NYR News-What John Davidson said about Henrik Lundqvist, Dolan, Gorton and more

JD was being nice with Henrik playing very well.

Then a few hours later, Kevin Weeks made his comments about Lundqvist's plans.



You make it sound like I am making up this shit.

It keeps coming up. Something must be there.

 

[Siddi]

There was some chatter about him re-signing at some point. This makes me think it's not happening.

It wont.

The issue is Hank wants to sit down and talk to the Rangers to see if HIS plans are in synch with the vision of the team and his role going forward. Hank isn't management. He is a player. He has a contract. What are his plans? His plan should be train in the summer and get ready for training camp. Is anyone else on the team meeting with management to see if THEIR plan is in synch with the vision of the team. He is the one forcing the issue. Does he want a guarantee on how many starts he will get next season and which veteran players they will add to appease him?

Where did I say the Rangers should change their plans to appease Hank? They haven't done so at any point of the rebuild. They already had the conversation with him. 15-16 months ago. They offered him a chance to leave. They would explore a trade for him. They better not make a single move to appease him in any fashion. What else could it be? Playing time and bringing in more veteran players. He already knows the vision of the team.

Maybe Hank should retire from the NHL and play with his brother Joel in Frolunda. They can win a championship together there.

You should stop. This is getting ridiculous.

The man literally said he would consider a move if that is what the Rangers need.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Henrik should just stop talking about his future. I think his comments to the Swedish media are his true feelings. He doesn't feel the Rangers are committed to him. If you look at the Rangers situation, I don't blame him for feeling that way. He is not stupid. Quinn gave Georgiev more and more starts in the 2nd half. Georgiev outplayed him by a wide margin. He sees Shesterkin signed. It won't be long before he starts pushing for more playing. The Rangers have traded basically everybody except for Kreider and Steal. All of his friends have been traded.

Then John Davidson says this on Wednesday



NYR News-What John Davidson said about Henrik Lundqvist, Dolan, Gorton and more

JD was being nice with Henrik playing very well.

Then a few hours later, Kevin Weeks made his comments about Lundqvist's plans.



You make it sound like I am making up this ****.

It keeps coming up. Something must be there.

You're not entirely making things up but you are absolutely drawing conclusions and trying to piece together your own narrative.

It's trying to know what a 1,000 piece puzzle would look like based on the 13 pieces you have on the table.

Just because something could be doesn't mean it is.

 

[RGY]

These people want the Rangers to treat Lundqvist differently than the other players. It's not a business because it involves Lundqvist. Bull****.

Brian Cashman didn't treat Derek Jeter differently. Jeter won 5 rings. World Series MVP. Yankee captain.



How Yankees’ Brian Cashman once snapped back at Derek Jeter during contract talks

It's not personal. It's a business.

LMFAO WHAT!?!?!?

Did you just try to compare the situation to Jeter and the Yankees???

When did the Yankees approach Jeter about trading him? How about the last couple years when is body was starting to (finally) break down and his game was slipping? If Jeter was healthy he was playing SS every day for the Yanks no matter what the “plan” was. The Yankees respected Jeter every step of the way and even if they didn’t publicly state they were going to cater to Jeter, they did so every day. Hank’s game has slipped but he can still compete and perform, and at a higher level than Jeter did at the same age/final years.

Your personal feelings on this are getting in the way so much here that you will say anything to fit your narrative. Trying to use Jeter as the comparison has sunk your battleship.

Jeter was a special player and Hank is a special player. The Organization owed and owes them everything, respectively. And in this case all that has been said to be “owed” is continued open dialogue about the future. Hank has been professional about it all the way. Has he been emotional at times? Sure because he is HUMAN.

 

[Fitzy]

You're not entirely making things up but you are absolutely drawing conclusions and trying to piece together your own narrative.

It's trying to know what a 1,000 piece puzzle would look like based on the 13 pieces you have on the table.

Just because something could be doesn't mean it is.

I mean, we all kind of do that but with less grand sweeping claims and more epistemological modesty about our assertions.

 

[DutchShamrock]

The issue is Hank wants to sit down and talk to the Rangers to see if HIS plans are in synch with the vision of the team and his role going forward. Hank isn't management. He is a player. He has a contract. What are his plans? His plan should be train in the summer and get ready for training camp. Is anyone else on the team meeting with management to see if THEIR plan is in synch with the vision of the team. He is the one forcing the issue. Does he want a guarantee on how many starts he will get next season and which veteran players they will add to appease him?

Where did I say the Rangers should change their plans to appease Hank? They haven't done so at any point of the rebuild. They already had the conversation with him. 15-16 months ago. They offered him a chance to leave. They would explore a trade for him. They better not make a single move to appease him in any fashion. What else could it be? Playing time and bringing in more veteran players. He already knows the vision of the team.

Maybe Hank should retire from the NHL and play with his brother Joel in Frolunda. They can win a championship together there.

Everything you locate in the media and point out is true, but your stance is a little hypocritical. On one hand you want him gone, but you don't want the process that comes with it. He is going through the 5 stages of grieving or whatever. He is getting to the mental state that you have been wishing for.

I get the impression you are more concerned with him influencing the direction more than you are really bent out of shape by the quotes themselves. I don't want things reversing any more than you but I'm also not too concerned with Lundqvist making an impact either.

Is he trying to change things? Probably. Maybe use the media to drum up support, use his influence. Flex. His last stab at aligning his desire to win and his desire to be a ranger. As a star athlete he has a certain amount of power because it's a business, like you say.

I'm saving my energy for when something bad actually happens, not an aging athlete working through his decision. I agree with you to an extent, that these quotes exist. Just not the level of concern that Hank will derail this. It's going to resolve itself sooner than later.

 

[NernieBichols]

Hey rangerboy

What exactly did weeks say? They blocked your link?

I get what rb’s saying. Give him credit for this. He has never been sentimental towards players and it kinda fires him up to demonstrate that he’s not one of those cats and is kinda cold-blooded in this way. Sometimes when your not saying the accepted norm here on HFboards you kinda feel like you gotta emphatic with your opinions to portray- look I know most of you guys don’t think this way and like to ride me bc of him, but this is what I feel and why.

I’m somewhere in between on hank. I won’t cater to him, id be perfectly happy to send him to a contender for the last 2 years of his deal to let him chase a cup, while the rangers see what they have in the two Russians, and then after that if he is still up to it and capable of playing 30 games a year, I’d trade one of the goalies, start signing hank on one year deals and feel really good knowing hank is the backup or the guy coming in in a playoff series. (Assuming he can still play 30 grade A games a year)

 

[NernieBichols]

Also where’s this weird hank interview.

Can I get a link or transcripts of this stuff?

 

[Ola]

Henrik should just stop talking about his future. I think his comments to the Swedish media are his true feelings. He doesn't feel the Rangers are committed to him. If you look at the Rangers situation, I don't blame him for feeling that way. He is not stupid. Quinn gave Georgiev more and more starts in the 2nd half. Georgiev outplayed him by a wide margin. He sees Shesterkin signed. It won't be long before he starts pushing for more playing. The Rangers have traded basically everybody except for Kreider and Steal. All of his friends have been traded.

Then John Davidson says this on Wednesday



NYR News-What John Davidson said about Henrik Lundqvist, Dolan, Gorton and more

JD was being nice with Henrik playing very well.

Then a few hours later, Kevin Weeks made his comments about Lundqvist's plans.



You make it sound like I am making up this ****.

It keeps coming up. Something must be there.

Thanks for providing that video, I can make you feel better instantly.

Weekes didn’t say that Hank has told him that he wants to sit down and see if the team’s plans align with his plans. He said that he — Kevin Weeks — is interested to see if Hanks plans align with the Rangers. Quite clearly.

Did you hear it wrong? You should amend your last posts because they are totally based on false premises that will confuse a lot of people.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Carolina and Columbus are two that come to mind. Calgary, but that seems a little far fetched. I could also see Chicago depending on Crawford’s health.

Boqvist for Hank?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Boqvist for Hank?

I know your joking, but more likely Hank at 50% for a couple mid round picks/B or C level prospects.

 

[Doctyl]

Also where’s this weird hank interview.

Can I get a link or transcripts of this stuff?

Literally all he said was that he wasn’t sure his career would end in a NYR uniform and that his goals may not be the same as the organizations.

He clarified that he still wants to be a ranger.

It seemed like he was talking about his next contract, not asking for a trade. He seemed to get that in 3 years it may not be his net anymore, but he would want to start elsewhere.

 

[effen]

Your problem is you don't like the truth.

The truth hurts.

Your problem is you've never seen Billy Madison.

 

[LORDE]

Your problem is you don't like the truth.

The truth hurts.

It was a quote from Billy Madison lol

@effen beat me to it

 

[Ola]

I think the problem is that many live with some illusion that the organization will get a bounty if Hank can be traded. It’s just ridiculous, nobody is giving up anything of value for him with his cap hit. Which contender need a goalie?

Stop dreaming. If we move him, we need a backup goalie. Shesty should play in HFD. Hank can probably be moved, if we take a contract back. Could we get a 2nd rounder? But what is the gain if we have to move that pick for a new back-up? A lot of hyperbole that isn’t thought through.

 

[n8]

No, the problem is you don't know what Hank's truth is and neither does anyone else except Henrik. From my interpretation, he's anticipating being here through the end of his contract in two years and talking about a possible non-Rangers future after that. Did he ***** and moan about not playing all that much at the tail end of the year last year? No - as a matter of fact he said that Georgiev deserved the starts. Lundqvist has been the poster boy of professionalism, preparedness, competitiveness, and leadership and it just rankles your ass that he's still on the team and still wanting to win. It's all he ever wants for the Rangers.

Of course Lundqvist is getting ready for the upcoming season. Of course he deserves to have questions answered (whether he likes the answers or not) for being the face, and leader, of this team for over a decade. If he's not satisfied with those answers and wants to move then it's a sad day in Ranger-land but that wish should, and will, be granted by the team.

The constant nitpicking and criticism for possibly the greatest Ranger to ever don the jersey really gets old. Henrik isn't a whiny baby by anyone's standards save for perhaps the stuff you make up to suit your narrative. He's a professional, an excellent teammate, a competitor, a leader, and an all time Ranger great. Let's stop making this out to be the horse you're taking behind the barn to put out of its misery. JD will shoot straight and Henrik will have the freedom to do whatever he wants and deservedly so.

well what we do know is what Henrik says in interviews. And he has not backed down on wanting to retire with the Rangers and win a cup with the Rangers before he retires. He acknowledges an individual cannot be more important than the organization. I'm sure JD and Hank will talk and I'm sure JD will let Hank know that they aren't going to go at it like they did in Columbus last TDL so unless we pull a St Louis, there isn't going to be a cup run in the final two years of Hank's contract. And given Hank's performance last season and at the worlds, I don't know if we can expect Hank at Stanley Cup performance levels. Unless we pull a Carolina/Pittsburgh... (Cam Ward & Matt Murray taking over the starting goalie role and winning cups as rookies) and Hank is the backup, I don't know if he had a bad year or is out of gas. He did not look good in 2019.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/06/henrik-lundqvist-recommits-to-rangers-after-eye-opening-quote/

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Lundqvist has been lauded for his compete level for years. He has to make a choice. He either can be a beloved elder statesman/mentor for a young team, or he could chase the Cup in the couple years he has left. The Rangers, I'm pretty sure would be fine with either decision. Bottom line is he needs to accept a cup while a Ranger would be a borderline miracle at this point.